Top 5 Juniors with the Probability they go Pro

[canes1977]

Someone is going to have to explain to me why Linder is being included in this group. He's an interior guy that would be lucky to move up draft boards. What's the upside for him? Is there a "Linder hates the coaches" story I missed?

And, Hurns?! WTF kind of world is this when Allen Hurns is thinking about leaving early.

They are included because they are top 5 juniors and that was the question i posed. It's fun to say "they all need work so they are all staying" but it never turns out that way. Last year, we were all so concerned that Lamar Miller was leaving early and we didnt even contemplate anyone else. Next thing we know, Washington, Vernon, Streeter and Forston are all gone. Do i think more Linder leaves early? Absolutely not, but I learned my lesson last year so I wouldnt be surprised at all if he goes for the $$.

 

[AUcane]

Also, Morris told the Herald he expects everyone back. "I expect everybody to be back," quarterback Stephen Morris told Michael Casagrande of the Sun Sentinel. "I'm coming back, so I know everybody will be here. We have to get this thing rolling in the right direction."

Kind of irrelevant. It's like clockwork with underclassmen. Immediately after the season, many preach the "unfinished business" kind of thing, but when the excitement for the following year wears off and the entry deadline looms, they usually change their tune.

SeanTay declared before he even hit the locker room after the 04 Orange Bowl.

The bigger point is that none of these guys are anywhere near good enough to consider declaring. Who is going to draft someone in the first two days that has never even started a complete season.

I agree, but my point is take the end of season "We're all staying" comments with a grain of salt.

 

[AUcane]

Someone is going to have to explain to me why Linder is being included in this group. He's an interior guy that would be lucky to move up draft boards. What's the upside for him? Is there a "Linder hates the coaches" story I missed?

And, Hurns?! WTF kind of world is this when Allen Hurns is thinking about leaving early.

Re: Hurns...kids like him leave early because they have no interest in school anymore. Whether it's money (they don't want to wait another year), or they hate class, they leave. There are tons of guys like this every year.

I'm not saying Hurns is one of them - just explaining why some guys who have no business leaving, leave.

As for Linder, you can also make the arguement that as an interior lineman, his stock can only go so much - is waiting one more year worth it?

/contrarian view

 

[JefeGringo]

None of them are good enough to go pro right now. None. If they chose to leave millions on the table, thank them for their service and good luck to em.

 

[LuCane]

Someone is going to have to explain to me why Linder is being included in this group. He's an interior guy that would be lucky to move up draft boards. What's the upside for him? Is there a "Linder hates the coaches" story I missed?

And, Hurns?! WTF kind of world is this when Allen Hurns is thinking about leaving early.

They are included because they are top 5 juniors and that was the question i posed. It's fun to say "they all need work so they are all staying" but it never turns out that way. Last year, we were all so concerned that Lamar Miller was leaving early and we didnt even contemplate anyone else. Next thing we know, Washington, Vernon, Streeter and Forston are all gone. Do i think more Linder leaves early? Absolutely not, but I learned my lesson last year so I wouldnt be surprised at all if he goes for the $$.

Those were extenuating circumstances, settle down bro...

It's not a shot at you. I just find it borderline absurd that we've got Allen Hurns in consideration and someone can legitimately make an argument based on previous experiences (which failed for just about all).

 

[Duval904]

bjoern werner hopes henderson leaves and plays in the same division as him

 

[Duval904]

bjoern werner hopes henderson leaves and plays in the same division as him

No he doesn't

oh really

 

[Dope Saks]

Linder I doubt goes he likes fishing with McDermott too much..
Only person on that list I'm worried about is Seantrel

 

[dycane]

bjoern werner hopes henderson leaves and plays in the same division as him

No he doesn't

oh really

Seantrel locked him up until that meaningless sack late in the 4th and I attribute that to Seantrel's conditioning and loss of focus (which can also be attributed to conditioning). Seantrel is only going to get better from this point forward. No defensive linemen wants to go up against a tap dancing grizzly bear with arms like tentacles.

Yup. Contrary to popular belief, Sentreal more than held his own that entire game, save one lapse. There's no doubt he goes in the top two rounds, maybe even at the end of Round 1. I think he's as good as gone.

 

[LuCane]

bjoern werner hopes henderson leaves and plays in the same division as him

No he doesn't

oh really

Seantrel locked him up until that meaningless sack late in the 4th and I attribute that to Seantrel's conditioning and loss of focus (which can also be attributed to conditioning). Seantrel is only going to get better from this point forward. No defensive linemen wants to go up against a tap dancing grizzly bear with arms like tentacles.

Yup. Contrary to popular belief, Sentreal more than held his own that entire game, save one lapse. There's no doubt he goes in the top two rounds, maybe even at the end of Round 1. I think he's as good as gone.

I would be surprised if he's a top 48 pick.

 

[canes1977]

Someone is going to have to explain to me why Linder is being included in this group. He's an interior guy that would be lucky to move up draft boards. What's the upside for him? Is there a "Linder hates the coaches" story I missed?

And, Hurns?! WTF kind of world is this when Allen Hurns is thinking about leaving early.

They are included because they are top 5 juniors and that was the question i posed. It's fun to say "they all need work so they are all staying" but it never turns out that way. Last year, we were all so concerned that Lamar Miller was leaving early and we didnt even contemplate anyone else. Next thing we know, Washington, Vernon, Streeter and Forston are all gone. Do i think more Linder leaves early? Absolutely not, but I learned my lesson last year so I wouldnt be surprised at all if he goes for the $$.

Those were extenuating circumstances, settle down bro...

It's not a shot at you. I just find it borderline absurd that we've got Allen Hurns in consideration and someone can legitimately make an argument based on previous experiences (which failed for just about all).

I didnt take it that way, but be honest, would you really be shocked if Linder leaves? I mean the guy in all likelihood will be drafted in the top 3 or 4 rounds regardless of when he enters the draft. I agree Hurns is definitely a stretch although there are a handful of Miami guys in the league who had much less productive college careers than Allen Hurns.

 

[dycane]

No he doesn't

oh really

Seantrel locked him up until that meaningless sack late in the 4th and I attribute that to Seantrel's conditioning and loss of focus (which can also be attributed to conditioning). Seantrel is only going to get better from this point forward. No defensive linemen wants to go up against a tap dancing grizzly bear with arms like tentacles.

Yup. Contrary to popular belief, Sentreal more than held his own that entire game, save one lapse. There's no doubt he goes in the top two rounds, maybe even at the end of Round 1. I think he's as good as gone.

I would be surprised if he's a top 48 pick.

You don't think he will, or you would be surprised? With his potential, not sure why you would be surprised on a team taking a flyer on a potential 10 year starting tackle.

Andre Smith was drafted in the top 10, and he showed up to the combine fat and slow before walking out. He followed that up with an awful pro day, yet still got drafted high. I understand he had a great body of work at Bama. But, the fact is GM's salivate for OTs with huge upside.

 

[Larry]

No he doesn't

oh really

Seantrel locked him up until that meaningless sack late in the 4th and I attribute that to Seantrel's conditioning and loss of focus (which can also be attributed to conditioning). Seantrel is only going to get better from this point forward. No defensive linemen wants to go up against a tap dancing grizzly bear with arms like tentacles.

Yup. Contrary to popular belief, Sentreal more than held his own that entire game, save one lapse. There's no doubt he goes in the top two rounds, maybe even at the end of Round 1. I think he's as good as gone.

My only hope is that someone tells him that he can be the #1 Pick in the Draft in 2014, because he most certainly can. With a good summer and a great senior campaign, he'll be right in the running to be a Top 5 pick.

Seantrel has played nothing but RT while at Miami. There aren't too many primary collegiate RT's that get drafted high. There are exceptions...this year, it looks like it is Jake Matthews. However, these collegiate RTs often start coming off the board late round 2 and into round 4...and those are the highly regarded ones.

Pro football prefers offensive linemen with some positional versatility.

 

[CaneLB]

bjoern werner hopes henderson leaves and plays in the same division as him

Werner only had 5.5 sacks in 8 ACC games fwiw. 1.5 came against us of course.

 

[CanesAreAble]

LMAO at Hurns.

Might as well put Jimmy Gaines on the list.

 

[LuCane]

oh really

Seantrel locked him up until that meaningless sack late in the 4th and I attribute that to Seantrel's conditioning and loss of focus (which can also be attributed to conditioning). Seantrel is only going to get better from this point forward. No defensive linemen wants to go up against a tap dancing grizzly bear with arms like tentacles.

Yup. Contrary to popular belief, Sentreal more than held his own that entire game, save one lapse. There's no doubt he goes in the top two rounds, maybe even at the end of Round 1. I think he's as good as gone.

I would be surprised if he's a top 48 pick.

You don't think he will, or you would be surprised? With his potential, not sure why you would be surprised on a team taking a flyer on a potential 10 year starting tackle.

Andre Smith was drafted in the top 10, and he showed up to the combine fat and slow before walking out. He followed that up with an awful pro day, yet still got drafted high. I understand he had a great body of work at Bama. But, the fact is GM's salivate for OTs with huge upside.

As you said, Andre Smith produced consistently at the college level and could be relied upon. Worse yet for your argument, his laziness and unreliable nature as was seen in a glimpse at the combine, became his undoing early in his career. Further, as someone else mentioned, Seantrel doesn't have a large enough body of work as a LT. He's basically all hype and potential right now. That will get him drafted, but most likely at a spot where the signing bonus is a much more manageable risk.

 

[BisCane]

None of them will imo.

Default should always be who's leaving? When's the last time we didn't lost a JR? Seems like we've led the nation in underclassmen turning pro.

 

[BisCane]

LMAO at Hurns.

Might as well put Jimmy Gaines on the list.

And Morris as well - and this is not a bashing, it's reality. He's shown improvement, mostly in the form of consistency imo, but has yet to really shine against top tier talent. I have really high hopes - expectations - for him next yr though

 

[dycane]

Seantrel locked him up until that meaningless sack late in the 4th and I attribute that to Seantrel's conditioning and loss of focus (which can also be attributed to conditioning). Seantrel is only going to get better from this point forward. No defensive linemen wants to go up against a tap dancing grizzly bear with arms like tentacles.

Yup. Contrary to popular belief, Sentreal more than held his own that entire game, save one lapse. There's no doubt he goes in the top two rounds, maybe even at the end of Round 1. I think he's as good as gone.

I would be surprised if he's a top 48 pick.

You don't think he will, or you would be surprised? With his potential, not sure why you would be surprised on a team taking a flyer on a potential 10 year starting tackle.

Andre Smith was drafted in the top 10, and he showed up to the combine fat and slow before walking out. He followed that up with an awful pro day, yet still got drafted high. I understand he had a great body of work at Bama. But, the fact is GM's salivate for OTs with huge upside.

As you said, Andre Smith produced consistently at the college level and could be relied upon. Worse yet for your argument, his laziness and unreliable nature as was seen in a glimpse at the combine, became his undoing early in his career. Further, as someone else mentioned, Seantrel doesn't have a large enough body of work as a LT. He's basically all hype and potential right now. That will get him drafted, but most likely at a spot where the signing bonus is a much more manageable risk.

I look at it the other way. There are certain positions GMs just can't help but reach on because of the upside value - OT, DT, and QB. The fact that Smith was drafted so high DESPITE the clear and recurring condition and work ethic issues evidences that. Sentreal does not have the same issues. He's miles ahead of where Smith was physically, and despite a bit of aloofness, the guy appears to be a hard worker. Time will tell, but my gut is that he leaves and is drafted by the start of Round 3.

 

[LuCane]

Yup. Contrary to popular belief, Sentreal more than held his own that entire game, save one lapse. There's no doubt he goes in the top two rounds, maybe even at the end of Round 1. I think he's as good as gone.

I would be surprised if he's a top 48 pick.

You don't think he will, or you would be surprised? With his potential, not sure why you would be surprised on a team taking a flyer on a potential 10 year starting tackle.

Andre Smith was drafted in the top 10, and he showed up to the combine fat and slow before walking out. He followed that up with an awful pro day, yet still got drafted high. I understand he had a great body of work at Bama. But, the fact is GM's salivate for OTs with huge upside.

As you said, Andre Smith produced consistently at the college level and could be relied upon. Worse yet for your argument, his laziness and unreliable nature as was seen in a glimpse at the combine, became his undoing early in his career. Further, as someone else mentioned, Seantrel doesn't have a large enough body of work as a LT. He's basically all hype and potential right now. That will get him drafted, but most likely at a spot where the signing bonus is a much more manageable risk.

I look at it the other way. There are certain positions GMs just can't help but reach on because of the upside value - OT, DT, and QB. The fact that Smith was drafted so high DESPITE the clear and recurring condition and work ethic issues evidences that. Sentreal does not have the same issues. He's miles ahead of where Smith was physically, and despite a bit of aloofness, the guy appears to be a hard worker. Time will tell, but my gut is that he leaves and is drafted by the start of Round 3.

I agree that those premium positions are vital. He'd be in a better position if he had more work at LT. Nevertheless, it sounds like your gut agrees with me: he'll be drafted somewhere between 49th and 75th.

Wouldn't surprise me if he's taken around where another "troubled" Tackle, Mike Adams, was taken last year (56th). In any case, that's a good amount of money to leave on the table. Adams received a 4 year 3.9 million contract with a 1.01 million bonus. As a comparison, Mitchell Schwartz, picked just 20 picks higher (still in the 2nd round) was given a 4 year 5.2 million contract with a 2.2 million bonus.

The question becomes "does Seantrel think it's worth the risk of playing another year for that type of jump?"

My guess is he just wants to move on.