To those still making excuses for D'Onofrio

I think we have accepted it for what it is man no body is making excuses
we are going to wait and see what happens when the season is over and recruiting is done..

Please stop the new threads about Coach D and our defense lets just pray for a win in the bowl
game so that we can have a decent win on the schedule

can you really see coach D being fired after a 9 win season and overall a decent amount of improvement.

In the last 5 games over 2,500 yards have been given up and we went 2-3 should have at least been 3-2 but would have liked 4-1.
I truly believe Al wants to be here for the long haul...He will have to make a tough decision regardless of what our record looks like

He can't duck the big teams and expect to gain respect from boosters, recruits, etc. because people will continue to negative recruit
and say AL can't put you on the big stage nor can he win the big one...
 
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I think we have accepted it for what it is man no body is making excuses
we are going to wait and see what happens when the season is over and recruiting is done..

Please stop the new threads about Coach D and our defense lets just pray for a win in the bowl
game so that we can have a decent win on the schedule

can you really see coach D being fired after a 9 win season and overall a decent amount of improvement.

Sure, why not? GOLDEN being fired is impossible because he's the head man responsible for 9 wins. D'Onofrio isn't unilaterally responsible for the improvement in the team's record. The defense hasn't improved at all. Retaining him runs a significant risk of demoralizing the team and the fanbase, and we've seen practically nothing to suggest that next year will be much different.
 
I think we have accepted it for what it is man no body is making excuses
we are going to wait and see what happens when the season is over and recruiting is done..

Please stop the new threads about Coach D and our defense lets just pray for a win in the bowl
game so that we can have a decent win on the schedule

can you really see coach D being fired after a 9 win season and overall a decent amount of improvement.

Sure, why not? GOLDEN being fired is impossible because he's the head man responsible for 9 wins. D'Onofrio isn't unilaterally responsible for the improvement in the team's record. The defense hasn't improved at all. Retaining him runs a significant risk of demoralizing the team and the fanbase, and we've seen practically nothing to suggest that next year will be much different.


Bingo.
 
We will finish last in total defense in the ACC. If that's not a terminable offense, then it's clear to me that we have another incompetent head coach running the program.

For me, the coach dorito issue is a perfect scenario to tell us about the value of coach Golden. By March of 2014 we will know EVERYTHING we need to know about whether or not coach Golden is the right man for the job.
 
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I think we have accepted it for what it is man no body is making excuses
we are going to wait and see what happens when the season is over and recruiting is done..

Please stop the new threads about Coach D and our defense lets just pray for a win in the bowl
game so that we can have a decent win on the schedule

can you really see coach D being fired after a 9 win season and overall a decent amount of improvement.

In the last 5 games over 2,500 yards have been given up and we went 2-3 should have at least been 3-2 but would have liked 4-1.
I truly believe Al wants to be here for the long haul...He will have to make a tough decision regardless of what our record looks like

He can't duck the big teams and expect to gain respect from boosters, recruits, etc. because people will continue to negative recruit
and say AL can't put you on the big stage nor can he win the big one...

Said this before if golden wants to keep his job he has to change the defense completely, bring in someone who can call the right defensive plays, to me he seems like that person who would do that, hope im not wrong
 
Our D line is below average, you could bring back 12 starters, if they're not that good to begin with you will get the same poor results. It all starts on our D line, they're terrible. Unless we upgrade talent on the D line things won't change, looks like we are this year though.
We returned 9 starters, most of our two deep, and had a schedule that provided us with a bunch mediocre offensive teams. Yet there was absolutely no improvement and we still found ways to give up 500+ yards.

So, what makes you guys think our defense will be any different next year?

It's not just the d-line. We have one safety out of our entire group of safeties who could start on a top 25 team, Bush (and he was injured much of the year), and one who is showing some development but still makes tons of mistakes (Jenkins). We have linebackers like Gaines, Cornelius, and Armbrister getting tons of minutes, or even starting, yet none are worthy of being on a top 25 team. Coach D hasn't done a good job, no doubt, but the talent is absolutely lacking, and lacking badly. We are slowly taking care of that with stellar recruiting. The problem is coach D is trying to use a defensive scheme that requires a caliber of players that we don't yet have, which is a problem.
 
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So many of you only see things in black and white. You can't give any credence to the lack of talent on this defense because you feel like that will take attention away from your hate for D'onofrio and the scheme. The scheme that Miami employs is without doubt flawed and not the best system for the type of athletes that Miami has in its backyard. But to make a statement like "we returned 9 starters and most of our two deep" and try to play it off like it was a huge disappointment is laughable and very transparent. When those returning starters and much of the two deep include 31, 34, 59, 51, 22, 30 there is a serious problem with the talent level, especially when you are trying to run this system.

The only solution is to replace the DC/scheme AND upgrade the talent level. It seems that the latter is being taken care of when you look at the commit list. Now we just have to pray Golden can take care of the other half of that equation.
 
I find it kind of funny that people really are still trying to deflect blame away from coach dorito. ANYONE who sees our team on 3rd down should be able to tell you that coaching is the problem.

dorito coaches like a politician. Fail traditionally and no one can blame you.
 
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So many of you only see things in black and white. You can't give any credence to the lack of talent on this defense because you feel like that will take attention away from your hate for D'onofrio and the scheme. The scheme that Miami employs is without doubt flawed and not the best system for the type of athletes that Miami has in its backyard. But to make a statement like "we returned 9 starters and most of our two deep" and try to play it off like it was a huge disappointment is laughable and very transparent. When those returning starters and much of the two deep include 31, 34, 59, 51, 22, 30 there is a serious problem with the talent level, especially when you are trying to run this system.

The only solution is to replace the DC/scheme AND upgrade the talent level. It seems that the latter is being taken care of when you look at the commit list. Now we just have to pray Golden can take care of the other half of that equation.


Your post is flawed because our defensive talent was nowhere near as bad as people want to believe. Go look at the other ACC coastal teams roster and tell us that they have more talent across the spectrum of their defensive roster. You simply cannot. We have a coach who refuses to play to win. That was the exact thing that posters on the Temple board told us he would do. You see, this is not something that many of us saw this year. I and many here have been expressing these concerns for years now. Again, the Temple fan thread from 2011 told us all we needed to know about coach dorito while at Temple. The word their fans used was, "MADDENING!" That's EXACTLY what a dorito coached defense is, maddening.
 
I find it kind of funny that people really are still trying to deflect blame away from coach dorito. ANYONE who sees our team on 3rd down should be able to tell you that coaching is the problem.

dorito coaches like a politician. Fail traditionally and no one can blame you.

I think you would be pretty hard pressed to find anybody who doesn't think that the DC doesn't need to be replaced. I don't understand when people post stuff like this. Is there really anybody on this board still defending D'onofrio?
 
I find it kind of funny that people really are still trying to deflect blame away from coach dorito. ANYONE who sees our team on 3rd down should be able to tell you that coaching is the problem.

dorito coaches like a politician. Fail traditionally and no one can blame you.

I think you would be pretty hard pressed to find anybody who doesn't think that the DC doesn't need to be replaced. I don't understand when people post stuff like this. Is there really anybody on this board still defending D'onofrio?


Yes, fastcane, the north dakota state fan, and a few others are still trying use the lack of elite talent excuse in every mark dorito thread. That is why the divide continues. To those guys, being not wrong is more important than the success of the UM program. So we'll have to deal with it here for another X number of months...or years.
 
So many of you only see things in black and white. You can't give any credence to the lack of talent on this defense because you feel like that will take attention away from your hate for D'onofrio and the scheme. The scheme that Miami employs is without doubt flawed and not the best system for the type of athletes that Miami has in its backyard. But to make a statement like "we returned 9 starters and most of our two deep" and try to play it off like it was a huge disappointment is laughable and very transparent. When those returning starters and much of the two deep include 31, 34, 59, 51, 22, 30 there is a serious problem with the talent level, especially when you are trying to run this system.

The only solution is to replace the DC/scheme AND upgrade the talent level. It seems that the latter is being taken care of when you look at the commit list. Now we just have to pray Golden can take care of the other half of that equation.


Your post is flawed because our defensive talent was nowhere near as bad as people want to believe. Go look at the other ACC coastal teams roster and tell us that they have more talent across the spectrum of their defensive roster. You simply cannot. We have a coach who refuses to play to win. That was the exact thing that posters on the Temple board told us he would do. You see, this is not something that many of us saw this year. I and many here have been expressing these concerns for years now. Again, the Temple fan thread from 2011 told us all we needed to know about coach dorito while at Temple. The word their fans used was, "MADDENING!" That's EXACTLY what a dorito coached defense is, maddening.

There is no flaw in my post at all, you just have lower expectations than I do. I am not interested in competing for Coastal Division championships like you are, I want the whole enchilada. When you place all of the blame on The DC you are also saying that you are ok with the personnel. If we had a qualified DC we would have won the Coastal and gotten smashed by FSU again in the ACCCG. I would much rather get there and win it, you are apparently just happy with getting there. If you want to compete with the big boys we need to upgrade our talent level. If you disagree with that the only thing that is flawed is your knowledge of the game.
 
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So many of you only see things in black and white. You can't give any credence to the lack of talent on this defense because you feel like that will take attention away from your hate for D'onofrio and the scheme. The scheme that Miami employs is without doubt flawed and not the best system for the type of athletes that Miami has in its backyard. But to make a statement like "we returned 9 starters and most of our two deep" and try to play it off like it was a huge disappointment is laughable and very transparent. When those returning starters and much of the two deep include 31, 34, 59, 51, 22, 30 there is a serious problem with the talent level, especially when you are trying to run this system.

The only solution is to replace the DC/scheme AND upgrade the talent level. It seems that the latter is being taken care of when you look at the commit list. Now we just have to pray Golden can take care of the other half of that equation.


Your post is flawed because our defensive talent was nowhere near as bad as people want to believe. Go look at the other ACC coastal teams roster and tell us that they have more talent across the spectrum of their defensive roster. You simply cannot. We have a coach who refuses to play to win. That was the exact thing that posters on the Temple board told us he would do. You see, this is not something that many of us saw this year. I and many here have been expressing these concerns for years now. Again, the Temple fan thread from 2011 told us all we needed to know about coach dorito while at Temple. The word their fans used was, "MADDENING!" That's EXACTLY what a dorito coached defense is, maddening.

There is no flaw in my post at all, you just have lower expectations than I do. I am not interested in competing for Coastal Division championships like you are, I want the whole enchilada. When you place all of the blame on The DC you are also saying that you are ok with the personnel. If we had a qualified DC we would have won the Coastal and gotten smashed by FSU again in the ACCCG. I would much rather get there and win it, you are apparently just happy with getting there. If you want to compete with the big boys we need to upgrade our talent level. If you disagree with that the only thing that is flawed is your knowledge of the game.


I misread your initial post. My bad.
 
So many of you only see things in black and white. You can't give any credence to the lack of talent on this defense because you feel like that will take attention away from your hate for D'onofrio and the scheme. The scheme that Miami employs is without doubt flawed and not the best system for the type of athletes that Miami has in its backyard. But to make a statement like "we returned 9 starters and most of our two deep" and try to play it off like it was a huge disappointment is laughable and very transparent. When those returning starters and much of the two deep include 31, 34, 59, 51, 22, 30 there is a serious problem with the talent level, especially when you are trying to run this system.

The only solution is to replace the DC/scheme AND upgrade the talent level. It seems that the latter is being taken care of when you look at the commit list. Now we just have to pray Golden can take care of the other half of that equation.


Your post is flawed because our defensive talent was nowhere near as bad as people want to believe. Go look at the other ACC coastal teams roster and tell us that they have more talent across the spectrum of their defensive roster. You simply cannot. We have a coach who refuses to play to win. That was the exact thing that posters on the Temple board told us he would do. You see, this is not something that many of us saw this year. I and many here have been expressing these concerns for years now. Again, the Temple fan thread from 2011 told us all we needed to know about coach dorito while at Temple. The word their fans used was, "MADDENING!" That's EXACTLY what a dorito coached defense is, maddening.

There is no flaw in my post at all, you just have lower expectations than I do. I am not interested in competing for Coastal Division championships like you are, I want the whole enchilada. When you place all of the blame on The DC you are also saying that you are ok with the personnel. If we had a qualified DC we would have won the Coastal and gotten smashed by FSU again in the ACCCG. I would much rather get there and win it, you are apparently just happy with getting there. If you want to compete with the big boys we need to upgrade our talent level. If you disagree with that the only thing that is flawed is your knowledge of the game.


I misread your initial post. My bad.

No worries, we are all hoping to get to the same place eventually.
 
So many of you only see things in black and white. You can't give any credence to the lack of talent on this defense because you feel like that will take attention away from your hate for D'onofrio and the scheme. The scheme that Miami employs is without doubt flawed and not the best system for the type of athletes that Miami has in its backyard. But to make a statement like "we returned 9 starters and most of our two deep" and try to play it off like it was a huge disappointment is laughable and very transparent. When those returning starters and much of the two deep include 31, 34, 59, 51, 22, 30 there is a serious problem with the talent level, especially when you are trying to run this system.

The only solution is to replace the DC/scheme AND upgrade the talent level. It seems that the latter is being taken care of when you look at the commit list. Now we just have to pray Golden can take care of the other half of that equation.

You are wrong guy. None of us are saying we have superior talent on defense. We are saying we have enough talent to not give up 500 yards to garbage offensive teams every game like VT, Pitt, WF, etc.
 
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Yeah I'm not high on Donofrio anymore. I want TRob. I think the ******s ripping Golden for his defense and calling for his head while at the same time sucking the ****s of Fisch and Coley, both of whom Golden brought in, are giant ******* *** boys. ::cough::Zone::cough:: I do think the talent on defense is putrid minus Perryman, Burns, Tracy, Jenkins and a healthy Bush but we should have done better than what we did.
 
So many of you only see things in black and white. You can't give any credence to the lack of talent on this defense because you feel like that will take attention away from your hate for D'onofrio and the scheme. The scheme that Miami employs is without doubt flawed and not the best system for the type of athletes that Miami has in its backyard. But to make a statement like "we returned 9 starters and most of our two deep" and try to play it off like it was a huge disappointment is laughable and very transparent. When those returning starters and much of the two deep include 31, 34, 59, 51, 22, 30 there is a serious problem with the talent level, especially when you are trying to run this system.

The only solution is to replace the DC/scheme AND upgrade the talent level. It seems that the latter is being taken care of when you look at the commit list. Now we just have to pray Golden can take care of the other half of that equation.

You are wrong guy. None of us are saying we have superior talent on defense. We are saying we have enough talent to not give up 500 yards to garbage offensive teams every game like VT, Pitt, WF, etc.

No, I am right. You obviously don't read entire posts or you are retarded. I am not interested in beating Duke, WF, or VT. I am interested in beating FSU, Bama, OSU, etc. If you had read my entire post you would have seen that I said that the DC must be replaced AND the talent level needs a serious upgrade. I don't care about winning the coastal and losing to Clemson or FSU every year. Why is that so hard for you to understand.
 
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