Tip of the cap to Clawson

[filmcane]

Clawson was definitely my #1 pick for HC from the "Out of the box HC" category.

He's figured it out at WF. Glad Clemson and the Noles get to deal with him every season and not us. His teams just have that "well coached" look about them. Lawd have mercy if he ever gets some stud recruiters on his staff.

On a related note, is Hartman coming back next year? If so, they might actually be the faves for the Atlantic unless Dabo figures out his QB position for 22'.

 

[Hegemon]

They have a 7th year senior playing at WF.

Wake does this every 5 years or so then goes 3 and 9

 

[Cajuncane]

I thought I heard during the telecast that they have most of their starters back next year.If so and Hartman comes back which I think he will they will be tough to handle..

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

They have a 7th year senior playing at WF.

Wake does this every 5 years or so then goes 3 and 9

Right...Clawson's a career .500 coach and some in our fan base think He's God's gift to coaching, SMH.

 

[Hardcore Cane]

They have a 7th year senior playing at WF.

Wake does this every 5 years or so then goes 3 and 9

That’s why Clawson stayed at Wake

a good year followed by 2 really bad years and one mediocre year and then another good year is acceptable

not really a lot of pressure there

 

[Memnon]

They have a 7th year senior playing at WF.

Wake does this every 5 years or so then goes 3 and 9

Uhh what?

Sam Hartman was a class of 2018 recruit, he redshirted his Sophomore year in 2019 & 2020 was the Covid season.

Also, Wake has only won 10+ games once in their entire school history, that was back in 06 under Jim Grobe.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

This is an interesting topic.

Why do I think this?

Because I always hear about these coaches that get their players to overachieve, but then I ask myself, “self, is this necessarily the right kind of coach for the University of Miami“

Why do I ask myself this?

Because the kind of coach that gets the most out of mid level talent, it’s not necessarily the best coach for someone that’s going to be coaching a roster full of more well regarded players, many of whom come from South Florida.

Somehow, I think it takes a different kind of approach for the type of talent we will be getting at Miami, versus the type of coaching that’s done in the Big Ten for mid-level schools, or places like Wake Forest.

I think it’s a completely different approach, and doesn’t necessarily translate to Miami.

 

[DTP]

There are just some places where it’s impossible to win consistently and Wake is one of them. Gotta give credit where it’s due.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

There are just some places where it’s impossible to win consistently and Wake is one of them. Gotta give credit where it’s due.

I agree, getting double digit wins at Wake Forest is a **** of an accomplishment even if you only do it occasionally.

 

[DTP]

This is an interesting topic.

Why do I think this?

Because I always hear about these coaches that get their players to overachieve, but then I ask myself, “self, is this necessarily the right kind of coach for the University of Miami“

Why do I ask myself this?

Because the kind of coach that gets the most out of mid level talent, it’s not necessarily the best coach for someone that’s going to be coaching a roster full of more well regarded players, many of whom come from South Florida.

Somehow, I think it takes a different kind of approach for the type of talent we will be getting at Miami, versus the type of coaching that’s done in the Big Ten for mid-level schools, or places like Wake Forest.

I think it’s a completely different approach, and doesn’t necessarily translate to Miami.

Great post. It’s always a topic that comes up during the off season but especially when Miami is hiring a new coach.

To me, it’s a totally different situation between maximizing talent at a mediocre program and building and maintaining a national power. I don’t think that it translates from one situation to another. Mostly due to personnel differences. Overachievers usually emphasize maturity and tend to rely heavily on fourth and fifth year players. I get that philosophy because those are the guys who are least likely to make bonehead mistakes and when you’re playing with a talent disadvantage you can’t afford stupid mistakes.

If you’re coaching a national power, it’s all about recruiting and bringing in wave after wave of talented players. You can’t redshirt everyone and rely on veterans because most of the guys you recruit aren’t going to stay in school for four years, let alone five.

 

[aelmiami]

Right...Clawson's a career .500 coach and some in our fan base think He's God's gift to coaching, SMH.

Just looking at his career record is super misleading. He has improved every place mightily. He’s a program builder. He’s not a fit everywhere but to call him an average coach is just wrong.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Great post. It’s always a topic that comes up during the off season but especially when Miami is hiring a new coach.

To me, it’s a totally different situation between maximizing talent at a mediocre program and building and maintaining a national power. I don’t think that it translates from one situation to another. Mostly due to personnel differences. Overachievers usually emphasize maturity and tend to rely heavily on fourth and fifth year players. I get that philosophy because those are the guys who are least likely to make bonehead mistakes and when you’re playing with a talent disadvantage you can’t afford stupid mistakes.

If you’re coaching a national power, it’s all about recruiting and bringing in wave after wave of talented players. You can’t redshirt everyone and rely on veterans because most of the guys you recruit aren’t going to stay in school for four years, let alone five.

That’s a huge part of it I think you hit the nail on the head. I think it’s also the mental attitude that a coach has in one situation versus the other. I just think you handle those types of players differently.

 

[Cryptical Envelopment]

 

[IbzRlz]

They have a 7th year senior playing at WF.

Wake does this every 5 years or so then goes 3 and 9

Well we've never won 11 games since joining the ACC and our last 11-win season was 2003. So winning 10+ games every 5 years or so at Wake is pretty **** impressive. Wake would probably hang 50-60 points in us this year. Now going forward things should be massively different

 

[RangerGranger]

I'm giving credit to the OC/QB Coach Ruggiero as well.

 

[PSU Cane]

Clawson took over in 2014. He went 3-9 his first 2 years at Wake but since then, hasn't won less than 7 games in any season outside of the abbreviated Covid season last year......reaching 10 wins this season.

Before he arrived, the last time Wake won 7 games was 2008. I give the guy credit for making that program relevant.

 

[TallyCaneFan]

That’s a huge part of it I think you hit the nail on the head. I think it’s also the mental attitude that a coach has in one situation versus the other. I just think you handle those types of players differently.

Doesn't mean a coach can't adapt..

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

They won’t have another Sam Hartman for awhile. He was very good for them

 

[Meast21]

Hearing a deal for Urban and Gruden to be Co-HC's is in the works. But **** is fluid so you never know

 

[Empirical Cane]

Clawson was definitely my #1 pick for HC from the "Out of the box HC" category.

He's figured it out at WF. Glad Clemson and the Noles get to deal with him every season and not us. His teams just have that "well coached" look about them. Lawd have mercy if he ever gets some stud recruiters on his staff.

On a related note, is Hartman coming back next year? If so, they might actually be the faves for the Atlantic unless Dabo figures out his QB position for 22'.

Clawson is excellent. They have taken role of ACC's "Stanford"--something expected of Cutliffe at Duke but never achieved.

Unless dramatic shift from BoT, even Saban couldn't turn WF into an elite program.