This COULD end up the GOAT class here...

[-Blazed-]

No not even close. Bama probably has a better class this year.

 

[NotoriousJJE]

But in terms of impact payers, it's almost like every single one is going to contribute at positions of need. That's what is so remarkable about th is potential class. Where is the weak link? Knighton?

 

[Ethnicsands]

Of course they didn't live up the high expectations...but look at who was coaching and calling plays for them.

Just a breakdown...

QB - In the grand scheme of things, Jacory Harris ended up being an alright player at Miami. He's near the top of tons of record book categories. He also had to work with the worst OC in the history of Miami football. He was never going to be a pro...just doesn't have the skillset.

The rest of the QBs were bums, but oddly enough, Cannon Smith ended up a decent safety at Memphis.

No running backs were taken, but Patrick Hill was a pretty good fullback IMO. Not a pro, but the NFL doesn't use FBs these days.

WR - Three wide outs are playing in the NFL and in his fifth year, Davon Johnson gave us good play.

OG - Brandon Washington is collecting an NFL paycheck and I think he'll be on a roster full time sooner rather than later...we'll see, though. He did leave early when he shouldn't have.

DT - Micanor Regis is playing on Sundays.

LB - Sean Spence was good and will be good (if he can get through the injury), Arthur Brown was a monster at K-State, Robinson and Buchanan were ok, but injury riddled careers.

DB - There was a stretch where Brandon Harris was the best CB in college football, right there with Patrick Peterson. He was an All-American candidate and All-ACC player. Joe Wylie had a decent career with Tennessee Tech and I think he was in a few NFL camps. We'll see what happens with Telemaque in the NFL. I have little to no hope, but we'll see.

Jake Wieclaw ended up being a pretty good kicker.

That is a lot of players in the mix in the NFL and that gave us good play or became useful somewhere else. IMO, the talent was there...in a class so big, sure there was some bloat in the class, but that is to be expected in any class, but it also had a ton of good players that didn't live up to expectations (despite playing decent football), but when you look at the coaching situation at the time...I can't hold that against the high rating of the class or the actual evaluation of the talent...it was there...but we had a staff that couldn't do **** with it.

Overrated? Eh...I think if you look at the number of players earning a pro pay check in comparison to the peers and what would be considered "decent" players nationally...I still can't agree fully. That class was the definition of failed by corching.

I still dont agree. We're reruiting kids to play at UM, not to loaf through a few years then make a practice squad on potential. Three WRs playing in the nfl? Come on. We didnt have three wrs in that class that did much at UM. You are way overemphasizing guys getting a look from the NFL relative to college play, and character (effort), which is what is needed to succeed as a team and generally, individually in college. And again, we took eight! kids from MNW and the highest drafted kid from that team was one we didnt take. Imagine that.

Wylie? Gtfooh. Not a UM player. Regis did little here, vt got a lot of snaps but wasnt good. Robinson never put in the work. Buchanon, eh.

I realize the class got poorly coached, but i have said for a decade plus on these sites and i'll say it again, do not fool yourself into thinking 'development' is some magic pixie dust that good coaches sprinkle on so so kids. Its not true. We need to get the right kids to succeed. Good coaches know how to get the most out of kids by motivating them, and placing them in the position to succeed, but that's not 'development' per se. And a lot of that starts with getting kids with the character and determination to work hard -- that is the foundation of both team success and individual development at the end of the day. And i am utterly unimpressed with measuring our reruiting by what kids get combine invitations four years later. Let that number decline, i could care less, if we get kids who controbute in college.

There's a reason randy and larry got so many kids who didnt work hard, and it's not _just_ the culture they tolerated. Otherwise put, there's a reason the cultures they oversaw got lazy, and it's not _just_ because they let it happen. Randy came in talking just the opposite, and he probably meant it.

Finally, development, if it means anything separate from team success, implies the kid progresses along an individual skill path towards the nfl. So by your own chosen metrics, sounds like it wasnt our development that sucked between '08 and when those guys got their cup of coffee. What sucked was (i) our coaching, which when its bad enough makes you think guys arent developing because no one is in a position to succeed; and (ii) our evalutions in the first place, because way too many of those kids were overrated, IMO, and as a group, they had too many kids who werent the sort of disciplined, team first guys you need to succeed and breed and maintain a strng positive culture.

 

[FreePawn]

2004 and 2008 was the highest rated classes ever signed by Miami those years we literally got everyone.. Except Patrick Johnso. errr Peterson and we all know why..

Or Matt Patchan. Or Corey Liuget. Or Janoris Jenkins.

Judge a recruiting class 2 years after the date

That's rule 1

You have to give a class 3 years tbh.

 

[FreePawn]

Of course they didn't live up the high expectations...but look at who was coaching and calling plays for them.

Just a breakdown...

QB - In the grand scheme of things, Jacory Harris ended up being an alright player at Miami. He's near the top of tons of record book categories. He also had to work with the worst OC in the history of Miami football. He was never going to be a pro...just doesn't have the skillset.

The rest of the QBs were bums, but oddly enough, Cannon Smith ended up a decent safety at Memphis.

No running backs were taken, but Patrick Hill was a pretty good fullback IMO. Not a pro, but the NFL doesn't use FBs these days.

WR - Three wide outs are playing in the NFL and in his fifth year, Davon Johnson gave us good play.

OG - Brandon Washington is collecting an NFL paycheck and I think he'll be on a roster full time sooner rather than later...we'll see, though. He did leave early when he shouldn't have.

DT - Micanor Regis is playing on Sundays.

LB - Sean Spence was good and will be good (if he can get through the injury), Arthur Brown was a monster at K-State, Robinson and Buchanan were ok, but injury riddled careers.

DB - There was a stretch where Brandon Harris was the best CB in college football, right there with Patrick Peterson. He was an All-American candidate and All-ACC player. Joe Wylie had a decent career with Tennessee Tech and I think he was in a few NFL camps. We'll see what happens with Telemaque in the NFL. I have little to no hope, but we'll see.

Jake Wieclaw ended up being a pretty good kicker.

That is a lot of players in the mix in the NFL and that gave us good play or became useful somewhere else. IMO, the talent was there...in a class so big, sure there was some bloat in the class, but that is to be expected in any class, but it also had a ton of good players that didn't live up to expectations (despite playing decent football), but when you look at the coaching situation at the time...I can't hold that against the high rating of the class or the actual evaluation of the talent...it was there...but we had a staff that couldn't do **** with it.

Overrated? Eh...I think if you look at the number of players earning a pro pay check in comparison to the peers and what would be considered "decent" players nationally...I still can't agree fully. That class was the definition of failed by corching.

Whole lotta clockpunchers. And one ****puncher.

 

[jandman514]

2004 and 2008 was the highest rated classes ever signed by Miami those years we literally got everyone.. Except Patrick Johnso. errr Peterson and we all know why..

Or Matt Patchan. Or Corey Liuget. Or Janoris Jenkins.

Judge a recruiting class 2 years after the date

That's rule 1

You have to give a class 3 years tbh.

Jenkins wanted to be at UM randy didn't want him we never offerd.. Patchan told the coaches he was coming everyone in his family cried when he chose UF over Miami they were completely shocked.. Liuget was never coming here his mom wanted him out of SFL from day 1. Anything else?

 

[FreePawn]

2004 and 2008 was the highest rated classes ever signed by Miami those years we literally got everyone.. Except Patrick Johnso. errr Peterson and we all know why..

Or Matt Patchan. Or Corey Liuget. Or Janoris Jenkins.

Judge a recruiting class 2 years after the date

That's rule 1

You have to give a class 3 years tbh.

Jenkins wanted to be at UM randy didn't want him we never offerd.. Patchan told the coaches he was coming everyone in his family cried when he chose UF over Miami they were completely shocked.. Liuget was never coming here his mom wanted him out of SFL from day 1. Anything else?

Not quite "lterally everyone" is it?

 

[Ethnicsands]

2004 and 2008 was the highest rated classes ever signed by Miami those years we literally got everyone.. Except Patrick Johnso. errr Peterson and we all know why..

Or Matt Patchan. Or Corey Liuget. Or Janoris Jenkins.

Judge a recruiting class 2 years after the date

That's rule 1

You have to give a class 3 years tbh.

Jenkins wanted to be at UM randy didn't want him we never offerd.. Patchan told the coaches he was coming everyone in his family cried when he chose UF over Miami they were completely shocked.. Liuget was never coming here his mom wanted him out of SFL from day 1. Anything else?

Thats just not true that jenkins didnt have an offer. And all you've got are excuses. The fact is we didnt get veryone. That was the incorrect statement. No need to defend it.

Whether it matters is a different issue. It wouldnt have, if we had taken the right guys, and gotten the right things out of them.

 

[TheMatador]

Our 1988 class was pretty awesome, as I remember, although most know-it-alls here don't really know UM football history. Lot of extreme statements about "GOAT." Shouldn't say it if you're too young to know the history.

The 1988 class was the nucleus of two NC's, '89 and '91. It included, as I recall: Jesse Armstead, Rudy Barber, Kevin Patrick, Rusty Medearis, Darren Krein, and a bunch of others. Now, I might be wrong about some of the names. Some might have come in different years, and some I'm leaving out.

We suffered some disappointments that year, I think: Sterling Palmer, Paul Moore, but they were not really that great at FSU.

I know Jimmy was ecstatic at his class. We had lost some kids to ND, maybe one of the McDonald twins from Pittsburgh (Devon?) but the other twin, the one who went to Pitt (Ricardo), might have turned out to be better.

Jimmy said privately that taking all the inner city kids would backfire on ND. It didn't really, because Lou Holtz knew how to handle them. He was wrong about that but he was right to be happy about our class.

You can never talk about a class until you see it a few years later, and you have to combine several classes in a row that fill needs to get a complete picture.

So, talking about 2013, or 2001, is premature or wrong. 2001 did not win two championships; 1988 was involved in two. Interestingly, JJ never got a chance to coach his last class. He recruited it, left for Dallas, and Dennis Erickson coached it.

 

[arcane]

1984 was pretty good.