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This COULD end up the GOAT class here...

3FW said:
Never see another like 2001, and although they have a ring they should have had more.
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As an actual team, agreed. That was the single best collection of talent I think a team has ever had. Really a **** shame they were robbed in 02. That team deserved at least 2 and really could have had 3. We would have smoked Oklahoma in the OB in 2000. F8cking disgrace that the Noles got that slot, even Boobah admitted we should have been playing that game after they lost.
 
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jandman514 said:
2004 and 2008 was the highest rated classes ever signed by Miami those years we literally got everyone.. Except Patrick Johnso. errr Peterson and we all know why..
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2008 was so loaded in the state it was insane. Peterson, Janoris Jenkins, and Brandon Harris all in south florida lol. All now getting minutes in the NFL.
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randy was right not to offer janoris jenkins. kid was way too short to play corner.
 
CANE4LIFE said:
At least on paper.

If AG can close with Bostwick (or Bryant), Coley, Thomas, Grace, Williams, Kirkland and Collins, this on pure quality would be the GOAT class we have ever brought in. I mean ****. This could rival the GOAT class for any school if we can close on most of these kids.
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In 2008 we had the #1 OLB and arguably top player in the nation Arthur Brown. #1 DT Forston, #2 OLB Spence, #3 OLB R Buchanon, #5 OLB Futch, #7 LB Marcus Robinson, #3 CB Brandon Harris, #7 safety CJ Holton, top 10 QB Jacory, top 10 OG B Washington, top 10 safety Vaughn Telemaque, top 10 WR Aldarius (5 star on some sites), Streeter, TB, were 4 star WRs...

That class was definitely a higher rated one on paper. We had at least 3 or 4 five star recruits in that class. You just dont want to remember because they disappointed so much. Players never developed...don't worry about that under Golden's watch.
 
Lot's of potential for greatness here, but in the immortal words of The Wolf:

"Well, let's not start sucking each other's ****s quite yet."
 
***** the paper rankings. '04 and '08 were our two highest ranked classes in the past decade, and they blew chunks as it turned out.

What I like about this class are the kids, and the needs, and the process. This is assuming he closes strong locally. There are a LOT of kids in this class -maybe more than any class I can recall -- who have legit first/second round pick potential, IMO. How they turn out, who knows. And there are very few kids if any who don't seem to match a clear need and purpose.

I personally didn't think as much of the '04 or '08 classes as their rankings suggested, and folks who read the Canestime recruiting board would know that. They both had far too much fodder in them. And too many random non-local and OOS kids. And quite frankly, there were a bunch of kids in that class the '08 folks who actually know and watch Fla HS FB said weren't good, and for the most part, they turned out to have been right. I'm not recruiting expert, but I'm okay at listening and assimilating info.

The '04 class was that in spades. Sooo many OOS kids who were overrated, and it was visible if you looked at how their local schools recruited them. And to use Ponder as an example -- Rivals lists him as a 4* local kid. Well, throughout that recruiting season, literally every person on a Miami recruiting site I could find who actually watched Fla HS football live basically said he'd never be good at UM. Not athletic enough, not enough playmaking ability or instincts. If it was that obvious to everyone watching, you have to wonder what the staff was (or wasn't) thinking (or doing).

If AG closes strong, it'll be a class that doesn't resemble '04 or '08 at all, IMO, and I mean that in a good way.
 
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Matthew Thomas
Devante Bond
Jermaine Grace
AlQaeda Muhammad
Tim Williams
Keith Bryant
Jaynard Bostwick
Alex Figueroa

That is the type of front seven class that Notre Dame had in 2011 that now has them in the national title game. Miami's recruits and depth of talent, if the chips fall like that, is actually better.
 
Ethnicsands said:
***** the paper rankings. '04 and '08 were our two highest ranked classes in the past decade, and they blew chunks as it turned out.

What I like about this class are the kids, and the needs, and the process. This is assuming he closes strong locally. There are a LOT of kids in this class -maybe more than any class I can recall -- who have legit first/second round pick potential, IMO. How they turn out, who knows. And there are very few kids if any who don't seem to match a clear need and purpose.

I personally didn't think as much of the '04 or '08 classes as their rankings suggested, and folks who read the Canestime recruiting board would know that. They both had far too much fodder in them. And too many random non-local and OOS kids. And quite frankly, there were a bunch of kids in that class the '08 folks who actually know and watch Fla HS FB said weren't good, and for the most part, they turned out to have been right. I'm not recruiting expert, but I'm okay at listening and assimilating info.

The '04 class was that in spades. Sooo many OOS kids who were overrated, and it was visible if you looked at how their local schools recruited them. And to use Ponder as an example -- Rivals lists him as a 4* local kid. Well, throughout that recruiting season, literally every person on a Miami recruiting site I could find who actually watched Fla HS football live basically said he'd never be good at UM. Not athletic enough, not enough playmaking ability or instincts. If it was that obvious to everyone watching, you have to wonder what the staff was (or wasn't) thinking (or doing).

If AG closes strong, it'll be a class that doesn't resemble '04 or '08 at all, IMO, and I mean that in a good way.
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The 08 class was legit, but was failed by a staff that was as bad as you'll see in CFB. As is, it'll have 10-12 players play in the NFL (to be fair, 1-2 are basically cups of coffee, but whatever)...

The best player from the group was dismissed from the team. Another one that left ended up having a good career elsewhere. And we got a pretty good kicker and fullback, too (that won't be pro players). Plus, Jacory wasn't the worst QB to grace this University, either...and yeah, he had shortcomings, but he was failed in many regards by the staff as well.

If this school had a staff that wasn't filled with novices and never-will-be's...perhaps that class turns out a lot better.

Just a comparison...Alabama's super ******* awesome class had 9 players in the NFL at this point (to be fair, many a lot better than Miami's players, but I digress). Notre Dame's class will have 5. Ohio State will have 5 or 6. Georgia had 5 or 6.
 
Larry said:
Matthew Thomas
Devante Bond
Jermaine Grace
AlQaeda Muhammad
Tim Williams
Keith Bryant
Jaynard Bostwick
Alex Figueroa

That is the type of front seven class that Notre Dame had in 2011 that now has them in the national title game. Miami's recruits and depth of talent, if the chips fall like that, is actually better.
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Yup, and Burns, Carter, Robinson, Kirkland, Collins, Coley, Olsen, Sandland, maybe Dobard and Ogdogwu have comparable

It's a class full of football players, is what it is. No more CJ Odom's and Brandon Marti's, and Timmons and whoever just stuffed in that class, etc.
 
Larry said:
Ethnicsands said:
***** the paper rankings. '04 and '08 were our two highest ranked classes in the past decade, and they blew chunks as it turned out.

What I like about this class are the kids, and the needs, and the process. This is assuming he closes strong locally. There are a LOT of kids in this class -maybe more than any class I can recall -- who have legit first/second round pick potential, IMO. How they turn out, who knows. And there are very few kids if any who don't seem to match a clear need and purpose.

I personally didn't think as much of the '04 or '08 classes as their rankings suggested, and folks who read the Canestime recruiting board would know that. They both had far too much fodder in them. And too many random non-local and OOS kids. And quite frankly, there were a bunch of kids in that class the '08 folks who actually know and watch Fla HS FB said weren't good, and for the most part, they turned out to have been right. I'm not recruiting expert, but I'm okay at listening and assimilating info.

The '04 class was that in spades. Sooo many OOS kids who were overrated, and it was visible if you looked at how their local schools recruited them. And to use Ponder as an example -- Rivals lists him as a 4* local kid. Well, throughout that recruiting season, literally every person on a Miami recruiting site I could find who actually watched Fla HS football live basically said he'd never be good at UM. Not athletic enough, not enough playmaking ability or instincts. If it was that obvious to everyone watching, you have to wonder what the staff was (or wasn't) thinking (or doing).

If AG closes strong, it'll be a class that doesn't resemble '04 or '08 at all, IMO, and I mean that in a good way.
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The 08 class was legit, but was failed by a staff that was as bad as you'll see in CFB. As is, it'll have 10-12 players play in the NFL (to be fair, 1-2 are basically cups of coffee, but whatever)...

The best player from the group was dismissed from the team. Another one that left ended up having a good career elsewhere. And we got a pretty good kicker and fullback, too (that won't be pro players). Plus, Jacory wasn't the worst QB to grace this University, either...and yeah, he had shortcomings, but he was failed in many regards by the staff as well.

If this school had a staff that wasn't filled with novices and never-will-be's...perhaps that class turns out a lot better.

Just a comparison...Alabama's super ******* awesome class had 9 players in the NFL at this point (to be fair, many a lot better than Miami's players, but I digress). Notre Dame's class will have 5. Ohio State will have 5 or 6. Georgia had 5 or 6.
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The class had some talent, but way under performed, and much of it was overrated.

Wylie, K. Thompkins, Marti, C. Smith, A. Smith, Odom, Lewis, Kane, Harper, Hardin, Futch, Cook, L. Byrd, Aldarius, Davon J., Holton, Taylor and B. Jones.

VT, Streeter and Collier all had legitimate Qs.

Benjamin, A. Brown, Buchanon, Forston, B. Harris. M. Robinson, J. Harris, B. Washington, Spence were the list of seemingly real 'pulls.' If they'd entered a better system and culture, some of those kids go on to do more, IMO. But Buchanon had injuries and that limited his physical development. Forston, and M. Rob would have used a couple years of 'U Tough.' J. Harris we got what we could out of him. And Spence accomplished all that could be expected. That's a solid group but not the core of a legendary class as had been expected.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Larry said:
Matthew Thomas
Devante Bond
Jermaine Grace
AlQaeda Muhammad
Tim Williams
Keith Bryant
Jaynard Bostwick
Alex Figueroa

That is the type of front seven class that Notre Dame had in 2011 that now has them in the national title game. Miami's recruits and depth of talent, if the chips fall like that, is actually better.
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Yup, and Burns, Carter, Robinson, Kirkland, Collins, Coley, Olsen, Sandland, maybe Dobard and Ogdogwu have comparable

It's a class full of football players, is what it is. No more CJ Odom's and Brandon Marti's, and Timmons and whoever just stuffed in that class, etc.
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Wow. It is looking good
 
Of course they didn't live up the high expectations...but look at who was coaching and calling plays for them.

Just a breakdown...

QB - In the grand scheme of things, Jacory Harris ended up being an alright player at Miami. He's near the top of tons of record book categories. He also had to work with the worst OC in the history of Miami football. He was never going to be a pro...just doesn't have the skillset.

The rest of the QBs were bums, but oddly enough, Cannon Smith ended up a decent safety at Memphis.

No running backs were taken, but Patrick Hill was a pretty good fullback IMO. Not a pro, but the NFL doesn't use FBs these days.

WR - Three wide outs are playing in the NFL and in his fifth year, Davon Johnson gave us good play.

OG - Brandon Washington is collecting an NFL paycheck and I think he'll be on a roster full time sooner rather than later...we'll see, though. He did leave early when he shouldn't have.

DT - Micanor Regis is playing on Sundays.

LB - Sean Spence was good and will be good (if he can get through the injury), Arthur Brown was a monster at K-State, Robinson and Buchanan were ok, but injury riddled careers.

DB - There was a stretch where Brandon Harris was the best CB in college football, right there with Patrick Peterson. He was an All-American candidate and All-ACC player. Joe Wylie had a decent career with Tennessee Tech and I think he was in a few NFL camps. We'll see what happens with Telemaque in the NFL. I have little to no hope, but we'll see.

Jake Wieclaw ended up being a pretty good kicker.

That is a lot of players in the mix in the NFL and that gave us good play or became useful somewhere else. IMO, the talent was there...in a class so big, sure there was some bloat in the class, but that is to be expected in any class, but it also had a ton of good players that didn't live up to expectations (despite playing decent football), but when you look at the coaching situation at the time...I can't hold that against the high rating of the class or the actual evaluation of the talent...it was there...but we had a staff that couldn't do **** with it.

Overrated? Eh...I think if you look at the number of players earning a pro pay check in comparison to the peers and what would be considered "decent" players nationally...I still can't agree fully. That class was the definition of failed by corching.
 
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The disappointing part about the 08 class was the guys that were supposed to provide depth and special teams play wound up playing elsewhere which pretty much shot to **** the idea of taking 30+ kids.
 
Don't know if it'll be the GOAT, but it will **** sure be awesome. Alshermond is stocking the cupboard like a Hurricane is coming.
 
Larry said:
Of course they didn't live up the high expectations...but look at who was coaching and calling plays for them.

Just a breakdown...

QB - In the grand scheme of things, Jacory Harris ended up being an alright player at Miami. He's near the top of tons of record book categories. He also had to work with the worst OC in the history of Miami football. He was never going to be a pro...just doesn't have the skillset.

The rest of the QBs were bums, but oddly enough, Cannon Smith ended up a decent safety at Memphis.

No running backs were taken, but Patrick Hill was a pretty good fullback IMO. Not a pro, but the NFL doesn't use FBs these days.

WR - Three wide outs are playing in the NFL and in his fifth year, Davon Johnson gave us good play.

OG - Brandon Washington is collecting an NFL paycheck and I think he'll be on a roster full time sooner rather than later...we'll see, though. He did leave early when he shouldn't have.

DT - Micanor Regis is playing on Sundays.

LB - Sean Spence was good and will be good (if he can get through the injury), Arthur Brown was a monster at K-State, Robinson and Buchanan were ok, but injury riddled careers.

DB - There was a stretch where Brandon Harris was the best CB in college football, right there with Patrick Peterson. He was an All-American candidate and All-ACC player. Joe Wylie had a decent career with Tennessee Tech and I think he was in a few NFL camps. We'll see what happens with Telemaque in the NFL. I have little to no hope, but we'll see.

Jake Wieclaw ended up being a pretty good kicker.

That is a lot of players in the mix in the NFL and that gave us good play or became useful somewhere else. IMO, the talent was there...in a class so big, sure there was some bloat in the class, but that is to be expected in any class, but it also had a ton of good players that didn't live up to expectations (despite playing decent football), but when you look at the coaching situation at the time...I can't hold that against the high rating of the class or the actual evaluation of the talent...it was there...but we had a staff that couldn't do **** with it.

Overrated? Eh...I think if you look at the number of players earning a pro pay check in comparison to the peers and what would be considered "decent" players nationally...I still can't agree fully. That class was the definition of failed by corching.
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Larry, what you point out is a classic case of, 'making less with more' or 'the sum of the parts not adding up to the whole'. Look at the records during that stretch, there are plenty of programs that had better runs with not nearly as many players in the NFL

I remember when Golden took over, he put a piece of paper in the players lockers listing how many players UM had in the NFL combine in 2010 compared to the BCS bowl teams that previous season. IIRC, Miami had more than just about all of them.

Telling isn't it?
 
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Sorry Larry but Brandon Harris was never the best CB in college football. And I'm one who thinks Harris was better here then some fans give him credit for.
 
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