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AguanteHurricanes said:
rayray said:
the idea that pace automatically equates to good offense is stupid. ohio state was not a fast paced team last year. florida state was not a fast paced team in 2013. alabama has never been fast. stanford has never been fast. wisconsin has never been fast. all these teams have good offenses. you can have a very good offense in college w/o playing fast. playing fast for the sake of playing fast doesn't really accomplish anything.

and, btw, most people in this thread don't understand why you would go fast, and in fact have it backwards. if you have a bad defense, you actually want more plays, because it introduces more randomness and chance into the game. this is why no huddle & spread offenses started at smaller schools with less talent, because it was a way of trying to even out the game. this is also, i assume, why golden ran some no huddle when stephen morris was the quarterback. our defense was bad, and you don't want a slow game when you have a bad defense.

last year, our defense was better. some stats even say it was good (like a lot of you, i'm less sold on that notion, though far more positive than most detractors here). part of the reason why we played so slowly was because of a freshman qb, but it was also because the defense was solid.

in the grand scheme of things, pace of play isn't really that important. if the offense executes well on every play, it doesn't really matter if you go fast or slow.
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buddy, don't try to make sense to these clowns on this board.

they are just cancer. toxic.
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WhatTheHell said:
TheSwagger1 said:
The tempo stuff being spewed by Golden is BS. He wants to control clock and protect the defense. Conservative/scared football at #TheU .
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What's funny is the horse**** excuse he gave as to why.

“I think from our standpoint, just being a defensive coordinator, it’s much harder to defend multiple tempos than it is to defend one tempo. So I believe in multiple tempos, multiple groupings.”
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Uptempo spread offenses have destroyed defenses in college football. It has guys like the great Nick Saban shell-shocked. But in Golden's excuse land, it's much harder to defend an offense that plays at a snail's pace. Yeah, I'm sure giving your guys time to catch their breath, letting you make substitutions and get aligned correctly is a DC's worst nightmare.

Dude is a clown. He wants to protect him and his buddy's defense at all costs.
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Somewhere Scott Frost is laughing his *** off.
 
rayray said:
as for ohio state, don't equate a spread team with pace. ohio state was 53 in pace last year, which was slower than florida. they didn't win because they played fast. Baylor has college football's fastest offense, but where does your team rank? - SBNation.com

of all the arguments in this thread, the stuff about recruits is the stupidest. if there is any correlation whatsoever between pace of play and being able to recruit and/or utilize skill position players, then someone needs to explain how FSU and USC and alabama are at the top of the recruiting rankings ever year, often (in the case of alabama and FSU) with plenty of players from south florida.
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Its not just about pace of play......its just another piece of the puzzle that shows Golden is way over his head and doesn't understand Miami.

He is in the most fertile recruiting ground in the nation for athletes (skill positions, pass rushers, LB, DBs). His gameplan: slow the game down on offense and take all the aggressiveness out of the defense. Not to mention constantly packing weight on fast twitch players and never talking about speed. Its honestly insane.

He is basically doing the exact opposite of what any competent coach would do.
 
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Tempo? Who cares. It's important in a fight to slow your hands down to a comfy clip while catching volleys of powershots to your jaw.
 
onplane said:
We run this horrible slow pace offense because that's what Coley wants to run and it's not scoring enough points to win close games. Coley needs to wake up or move on. Fisch never ran this snail pace offense under Golden so don't blame it on Golden. It's all Coley.
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It was widely reported that Coley had a blow-up during halftime of the FSU game with AG. He wanted to keep the pedal to the metal and continue to try and score more points. AG dictated that we slow the tempo and try to protect the lead. Coley came out of the locker room looking very upset, and the rest played out exactly as we all saw. Canes tried to sit on a lead against a more talented team, and got run down from behind. Classic AG mismanagement, and that's been the MO since the second he stepped on campus.


Dude can run a marketing campaign and give a prepared speech at a press conference, but has little to no clue on the actual machinations of being a big-time coach. He's failed at basically every turn when it mattered most as a Cane.
 
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So we can't run uptempo why? If the defense needs to catch their breath maybe we should condition better? We used to pride ourselves in being the best conditioned team in the hottest weather now we are soft. Pillsbury doughboy soft.
 
FSisco7 said:
So we can't run uptempo why? If the defense needs to catch their breath maybe we should condition better? We used to pride ourselves in being the best conditioned team in the hottest weather now we are soft. Pillsbury doughboy soft.
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Has nothing to do with conditioning or softness physically. All about Golden's mentality. He learned from Paterno. He coached at Temple. Penn State was ball control, keep the clock moving. Physically beat on teams for 4 quarters. If they were facing a fast team they shortened the game. Fewer possessions. Temple: small school mentality. When you face teams with athletes you lessen the amount of times those athletes on offense see the field. When Golden first got here he saw the better athletes at his disposal on offense and decided to use it to his advantage in second year. We played faster. The defense was the worst ever. The defense was still really bad in 2013 even though we didn't play as fast.

He wasn't going to let happen again. You add in a true freshman QB and it is the perfect combination to play slow as **** against the better teams. The Arkansas State game is on youtube. We play at a reasonable pace. I wouldn't call it uptempo but we weren't draining the clock on every snap. Oddly enough on those possessions when we pushed the pace we were successful.

Chunk plays and the environment dictate how fast we play. When everything is going well and he's comfortable he doesn't mind playing above a snail's pace. Let things get tight? He'll pucker up and slow it down to make sure "we get the right call".

If he's so **** happy in the depth and experience in his defense along with Kaaya's leadership he'll play faster.
 
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Tempo is the reason why power pitchers look to perfect a change up. It's why play action and draw plays can be deadly. It's why teams install 4 minute and 2 minute offenses.Non issue.

Of all the stupidity he says... This time is not one...

#groupthink
 
Gamineal said:
--Golden said he believes it is more difficult for a defense to have to defend just one speed, which is why he does not want the offense to just go full speed ahead every play.

“I think from our standpoint, just being a defensive coordinator, it’s much harder to defend multiple tempos than it is to defend one tempo. So I believe in multiple tempos, multiple groupings.”

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Lol...full speed apparently encompasses many different speeds. Pay attention, this **** isn't free...it is $2 million worth.

UM
 
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The pace of play is less of an issue than the formations. We should spread the field 75-80% of the time. Those tight formations when we run play action are death. When the defense is blitzing and we're pulling a guard while Kaaya has his back turned carrying out a fake....
 
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fincane said:
The pace of play is less of an issue than the formations. We should spread the field 75-80 of time. Those tight formations when we run play action are death. When the defense is blitzing and we're pulling a guard while Kaaya has his back turned carrying out a fake....
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I agree spread em n shred em
 
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Golden never said he would not run up-tempo. He said he's "not interested in that tempo" all the time. No, I'm not a mind reader. His very next quote was:
“I think from our standpoint, just being a defensive coordinator, it’s much harder to defend multiple tempos than it is to defend one tempo. So I believe in multiple tempos, multiple groupings.”
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I would think that "multiple tempos, multiple groupings” would include up-tempo.
Here's a prediction:
IF our front 7 turns out to be pretty good and we can actually get off the field on 3rd downs, and WHEN we look good during the limited times we do pick up the pace on O early in the season, we will see much more up-tempo mixed-in later on in the year.
 
NJshoreCane said:
Golden never said he would not run up-tempo. He said he's "not interested in that tempo" all the time. No, I'm not a mind reader. His very next quote was:
“I think from our standpoint, just being a defensive coordinator, it’s much harder to defend multiple tempos than it is to defend one tempo. So I believe in multiple tempos, multiple groupings.”
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I would think that "multiple tempos, multiple groupings” would include up-tempo.
Here's a prediction:
IF our front 7 turns out to be pretty good and we can actually get off the field on 3rd downs, and WHEN we look good during the limited times we do pick up the pace on O early in the season, we will see much more up-tempo mixed-in later on in the year.
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What's with all the Jersey boys sucking each other off all the time?
 
Im thinking this may be a smoke screen from Golden because Ive heard Coley has free reign this year, we'll see
 
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