The Work - Canes Camp #5

[rayray]

i'm not saying that miami shouldn't play faster, just that playing faster simply for the sake of playing faster is not a solution. personally, i think it's a game by game thing. like, a very legitimate criticism you could make is that in the georgia tech game, the coaching staff didn't realize that GT was squeezing the life out of the game, and that if we played at their pace, we were going to lose. and we lost that game primarily because we didn't possess the ball enough, which was partly the defenses's fault, but partly on the coaching for not speeding up the offense.

but, it's not like the offense was bad last year. when we put up 23 in the first half against FSU, it's not because we were playing fast, and nobody was shouting in that half for us to play faster. and when we couldn't score in the second half, it wasn't a pace problem.

the offense had some glaring problems last year that need to be fixed, i just don't see how pace of play was one of those problems.

 

[onplane]

We run this horrible slow pace offense because that's what Coley wants to run and it's not scoring enough points to win close games. Coley needs to wake up or move on. Fisch never ran this snail pace offense under Golden so don't blame it on Golden. It's all Coley.

 

[rayray]

as for ohio state, don't equate a spread team with pace. ohio state was 53 in pace last year, which was slower than florida. they didn't win because they played fast. Baylor has college football's fastest offense, but where does your team rank? - SBNation.com

of all the arguments in this thread, the stuff about recruits is the stupidest. if there is any correlation whatsoever between pace of play and being able to recruit and/or utilize skill position players, then someone needs to explain how FSU and USC and alabama are at the top of the recruiting rankings ever year, often (in the case of alabama and FSU) with plenty of players from south florida.

 

[Gamineal]

if we played 1987 defense we score 3 points and have a chance we need to score fast and often and BTW a FG kicker that can make kicks.

 

[rayray]

the idea that pace automatically equates to good offense is stupid. ohio state was not a fast paced team last year. florida state was not a fast paced team in 2013. alabama has never been fast. stanford has never been fast. wisconsin has never been fast. all these teams have good offenses. you can have a very good offense in college w/o playing fast. playing fast for the sake of playing fast doesn't really accomplish anything.

and, btw, most people in this thread don't understand why you would go fast, and in fact have it backwards. if you have a bad defense, you actually want more plays, because it introduces more randomness and chance into the game. this is why no huddle & spread offenses started at smaller schools with less talent, because it was a way of trying to even out the game. this is also, i assume, why golden ran some no huddle when stephen morris was the quarterback. our defense was bad, and you don't want a slow game when you have a bad defense.

last year, our defense was better. some stats even say it was good (like a lot of you, i'm less sold on that notion, though far more positive than most detractors here). part of the reason why we played so slowly was because of a freshman qb, but it was also because the defense was solid.

in the grand scheme of things, pace of play isn't really that important. if the offense executes well on every play, it doesn't really matter if you go fast or slow.

Either way you gotta score. They don't award points for possessing the ball.

they also don't award points for running plays

 

[Gamineal]

3rd downs I agree AL...please let Coley know that 3 and 7 does not mean we run a stretch play to the short side of the field with our speed

 

[DMoney]

Sonny has come a long way. I've been a doubter, but he looks much improved early in camp.

The spot that really concerns me is LG.

D, I'll believe it when I see it regarding Sonny.

I'm in the same boat. But even if Sonny's improvement is a mirage, there is still talent at tackle.

Guard, however, scares the **** out of me. I don't think Gall and Wells can play here. Hopefully, McDermott is ready to kick inside if necessary.

 

[ThomasM]

Two things I liked from the read... One, the importance of converting 3rd downs. Had we done that at an AVERAGE clip last year, we win two more games. Maybe more. Our 3rd downs MUST be better, or we'll have a hard time being better than a .500 team. I have no problem slowing the game down and taking time off the clock, but it works sooo much better when the O can convert 3rd downs and stay on the **** field. A 10 minute scoring drive can really deflate the heck out of a team. Also does wonders when our D can be rested.

The other thing I like is hearing Gray is doing so well. He's going to be very, very good in situations. Imagine him coming in fresh in the third quarter and getting some meaningful reps. Really glad he's one of the "interchangeables".

 

[Rellyrell]

i'm not saying that miami shouldn't play faster, just that playing faster simply for the sake of playing faster is not a solution. personally, i think it's a game by game thing. like, a very legitimate criticism you could make is that in the georgia tech game, the coaching staff didn't realize that GT was squeezing the life out of the game, and that if we played at their pace, we were going to lose. and we lost that game primarily because we didn't possess the ball enough, which was partly the defenses's fault, but partly on the coaching for not speeding up the offense.

but, it's not like the offense was bad last year. when we put up 23 in the first half against FSU, it's not because we were playing fast, and nobody was shouting in that half for us to play faster. and when we couldn't score in the second half, it wasn't a pace problem.

the offense had some glaring problems last year that need to be fixed, i just don't see how pace of play was one of those problems.

[MENTION=5649]rayray[/MENTION]: I agree w/ you in some ways, but our offense was not very good for the most part. You say we put 23 in the first half against FSU...what did we do in the 2nd half? What did we do against UL? Against UVA? Against Pitt? Against USCe? Against GT? We were in the bottom 3rd in 3rd down efficiency, 1st downs per possession, TO's, TOP. Playing slower did nothing for us. You don't play slow when you have the athletes we had on offense.

However, with that being said, we both can agree that playing slower is not our biggest issue....the biggest issue is cashing in on 3rd downs and sustaining drives. We left a lot of points off the board last year.

 

[Rellyrell]

as for ohio state, don't equate a spread team with pace. ohio state was 53 in pace last year, which was slower than florida. they didn't win because they played fast. Baylor has college football's fastest offense, but where does your team rank? - SBNation.com

of all the arguments in this thread, the stuff about recruits is the stupidest. if there is any correlation whatsoever between pace of play and being able to recruit and/or utilize skill position players, then someone needs to explain how FSU and USC and alabama are at the top of the recruiting rankings ever year, often (in the case of alabama and FSU) with plenty of players from south florida.

[MENTION=5649]rayray[/MENTION]: yeah, don't get that argument either. recruits want to win, period. if we were 99th in pace and we went undefeated year in and year out...trust me, they'll be here regardless.

 

[RiDLer80]

Is Golden still insistent on running 2-TE sets with a fullback like this is 1980s football? Maybe I can stomach not not running a blistering pace on offense if we at least utilize our weapons more than we did last year.

 

[caneaddict]

guy loves to ramble this time of year, its the only time he can talk without having to explain why he got his **** kicked

 

[Gamineal]

i'm not saying that miami shouldn't play faster, just that playing faster simply for the sake of playing faster is not a solution. personally, i think it's a game by game thing. like, a very legitimate criticism you could make is that in the georgia tech game, the coaching staff didn't realize that GT was squeezing the life out of the game, and that if we played at their pace, we were going to lose. and we lost that game primarily because we didn't possess the ball enough, which was partly the defenses's fault, but partly on the coaching for not speeding up the offense.

but, it's not like the offense was bad last year. when we put up 23 in the first half against FSU, it's not because we were playing fast, and nobody was shouting in that half for us to play faster. and when we couldn't score in the second half, it wasn't a pace problem.

the offense had some glaring problems last year that need to be fixed, i just don't see how pace of play was one of those problems.

[MENTION=5649]rayray[/MENTION]: I agree w/ you in some ways, but our offense was not very good for the most part. You say we put 23 in the first half against FSU...what did we do in the 2nd half? What did we do against UL? Against UVA? Against Pitt? Against USCe? Against GT? We were in the bottom 3rd in 3rd down efficiency, 1st downs per possession, TO's, TOP. Playing slower did nothing for us. You don't play slow when you have the athletes we had on offense.

However, with that being said, we both can agree that playing slower is not our biggest issue....the biggest issue is cashing in on 3rd downs and sustaining drives. We left a lot of points off the board last year.

cant argue with what you said..

we sucked so bad in the 2nd half's last year.... GT we opened up on fire, UL we had them at one time ****ed it away...etc etc

this team needs any temp just make it work.. are we Oregon NO never will be but like others mentioned plenty of teams including our championship teams just moved the chains and played GREAT D..

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

The name of the game is to get 1st downs, not to see how many downs it takes to get one.
It's as if this guy wants to literally run a "3 yards & a cloud of dust" offense.

One correlation I noticed between the 4 PO teams, is they did a good job of AVOIDING 3rd downs.

3rd Downs Per Game Rankings:

Alabama - 84
Oregon - 104
OSU - 114
FSU -115

 

[Gamineal]

I think al said he was happy with our time of possession??

We were 79th in nation 9th in the ACC that is not good

We did have some horrible turn overs last year too..

 

[cane since birth]

i'm not saying that miami shouldn't play faster, just that playing faster simply for the sake of playing faster is not a solution. personally, i think it's a game by game thing. like, a very legitimate criticism you could make is that in the georgia tech game, the coaching staff didn't realize that GT was squeezing the life out of the game, and that if we played at their pace, we were going to lose. and we lost that game primarily because we didn't possess the ball enough, which was partly the defenses's fault, but partly on the coaching for not speeding up the offense.

but, it's not like the offense was bad last year. when we put up 23 in the first half against FSU, it's not because we were playing fast, and nobody was shouting in that half for us to play faster. and when we couldn't score in the second half, it wasn't a pace problem.

the offense had some glaring problems last year that need to be fixed, i just don't see how pace of play was one of those problems.

[MENTION=5649]rayray[/MENTION]: I agree w/ you in some ways, but our offense was not very good for the most part. You say we put 23 in the first half against FSU...what did we do in the 2nd half? What did we do against UL? Against UVA? Against Pitt? Against USCe? Against GT? We were in the bottom 3rd in 3rd down efficiency, 1st downs per possession, TO's, TOP. Playing slower did nothing for us. You don't play slow when you have the athletes we had on offense.

However, with that being said, we both can agree that playing slower is not our biggest issue....the biggest issue is cashing in on 3rd downs and sustaining drives. We left a lot of points off the board last year.

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[Gamineal]

The name of the game is to get 1st downs, not to see how many downs it takes to get one.
It's as if this guy wants to literally run a "3 yards & a cloud of dust" offense.

One correlation I noticed between the 4 PO teams, is they did a good job of AVOIDING 3rd downs.

3rd Downs Per Game Rankings:

Alabama - 84
Oregon - 104
OSU - 114
FSU -115

We were 121...Not sure that stat holds up.. I think converting 3rd downs is what is important

 

[Rellyrell]

i'm not saying that miami shouldn't play faster, just that playing faster simply for the sake of playing faster is not a solution. personally, i think it's a game by game thing. like, a very legitimate criticism you could make is that in the georgia tech game, the coaching staff didn't realize that GT was squeezing the life out of the game, and that if we played at their pace, we were going to lose. and we lost that game primarily because we didn't possess the ball enough, which was partly the defenses's fault, but partly on the coaching for not speeding up the offense.

but, it's not like the offense was bad last year. when we put up 23 in the first half against FSU, it's not because we were playing fast, and nobody was shouting in that half for us to play faster. and when we couldn't score in the second half, it wasn't a pace problem.

the offense had some glaring problems last year that need to be fixed, i just don't see how pace of play was one of those problems.

[MENTION=5649]rayray[/MENTION]: I agree w/ you in some ways, but our offense was not very good for the most part. You say we put 23 in the first half against FSU...what did we do in the 2nd half? What did we do against UL? Against UVA? Against Pitt? Against USCe? Against GT? We were in the bottom 3rd in 3rd down efficiency, 1st downs per possession, TO's, TOP. Playing slower did nothing for us. You don't play slow when you have the athletes we had on offense.

However, with that being said, we both can agree that playing slower is not our biggest issue....the biggest issue is cashing in on 3rd downs and sustaining drives. We left a lot of points off the board last year.

cant argue with what you said..

we sucked so bad in the 2nd half's last year.... GT we opened up on fire, UL we had them at one time ****ed it away...etc etc

this team needs any temp just make it work.. are we Oregon NO never will be but like others mentioned plenty of teams including our championship teams just moved the chains and played GREAT D..

[MENTION=4379]Gamineal[/MENTION]: that's the other thing we have not touched upon...what we did in the second half of our games. we looked like world beaters in the first half, whether that was on D or O...and then in the 2nd half, a switch flipped the opposite way. I don't know what happened, but for sure we lost 4 games last year in the 2nd half. We never made adjustments. That has to change.

 

[Rellyrell]

I think al said he was happy with our time of possession??

We were 79th in nation 9th in the ACC that is not good

We did have some horrible turn overs last year too..

[MENTION=4379]Gamineal[/MENTION]: this is what i figured out about Al...he's used to dealing with the casual fan base due to his time at Temple. He doesn't realize that we know our ish in Canes country. You can't just say crap b/c it sounds good w/o having the substantiated proof to valid your line of reasoning. This is why we chew his butt out on this board.

 

[Gamineal]

i'm not saying that miami shouldn't play faster, just that playing faster simply for the sake of playing faster is not a solution. personally, i think it's a game by game thing. like, a very legitimate criticism you could make is that in the georgia tech game, the coaching staff didn't realize that GT was squeezing the life out of the game, and that if we played at their pace, we were going to lose. and we lost that game primarily because we didn't possess the ball enough, which was partly the defenses's fault, but partly on the coaching for not speeding up the offense.

but, it's not like the offense was bad last year. when we put up 23 in the first half against FSU, it's not because we were playing fast, and nobody was shouting in that half for us to play faster. and when we couldn't score in the second half, it wasn't a pace problem.

the offense had some glaring problems last year that need to be fixed, i just don't see how pace of play was one of those problems.

[MENTION=5649]rayray[/MENTION]: I agree w/ you in some ways, but our offense was not very good for the most part. You say we put 23 in the first half against FSU...what did we do in the 2nd half? What did we do against UL? Against UVA? Against Pitt? Against USCe? Against GT? We were in the bottom 3rd in 3rd down efficiency, 1st downs per possession, TO's, TOP. Playing slower did nothing for us. You don't play slow when you have the athletes we had on offense.

However, with that being said, we both can agree that playing slower is not our biggest issue....the biggest issue is cashing in on 3rd downs and sustaining drives. We left a lot of points off the board last year.

cant argue with what you said..

we sucked so bad in the 2nd half's last year.... GT we opened up on fire, UL we had them at one time ****ed it away...etc etc

this team needs any temp just make it work.. are we Oregon NO never will be but like others mentioned plenty of teams including our championship teams just moved the chains and played GREAT D..

[MENTION=4379]Gamineal[/MENTION]: that's the other thing we have not touched upon...what we did in the second half of our games. we looked like world beaters in the first half, whether that was on D or O...and then in the 2nd half, a switch flipped the opposite way. I don't know what happened, but for sure we lost 4 games last year in the 2nd half. We never made adjustments. That has to change.

again coaching seems to be the catalyst here...I think our depth sucked at some point like in the Neb game where we just were gassed and had no bodies to put on that RB that ran for 200 yards.. still it was a horrible scheme knowing they run the ball

for our offense in the 2nd halfs who knows we had two costly TOs with FSU both true Frosh, Duke at NEB and UL we should have never started Kaaya there but oh well