The Work 1-12

[AlexCane]

If, if, we get Valentine in this class and the only casualty of Golden's flirtation with PSU is Powell, that wouldn't be terrible.

 

[kschro24]

IMO we still have a great shot at TV. After the dead/quiet/whateveritiscalled period is over, Golden and whoever else will go talk to TV and his coach, and like said in the post. We will hopefully get the last shot with him. I like our chances

 

[jerzeycane]

It comes down to winning and making the program exciting again. Make it exciting to play for Miami and recruiting will get better. At least thats one aspect of it IMO.

Winning is part of it. The other part is for the coaches to effectively recruit. I remember back in 02-03 when we had those sequentially disastrous classes (the John Wood type of classes) and the Corker slurpers were defending the low rankings (despite being perennial winners the years before) stating that kids didn't want to come to Miami because of how stacked we were. As we know now, that was just some mealy mouthed excuse for bad recruiting.

02-05 all were pretty much Top 5 classes

 

[japancane]

It comes down to winning and making the program exciting again. Make it exciting to play for Miami and recruiting will get better. At least thats one aspect of it IMO.

Winning is part of it. The other part is for the coaches to effectively recruit. I remember back in 02-03 when we had those sequentially disastrous classes (the John Wood type of classes) and the Corker slurpers were defending the low rankings (despite being perennial winners the years before) stating that kids didn't want to come to Miami because of how stacked we were. As we know now, that was just some mealy mouthed excuse for bad recruiting.

I have to disagree with you here. Yes there were people b*tching, because UM fans will b*tch about everything and anything, but on PAPER our recruiting was always near the top during those years 2002-2005ish. Kyle Wright, Kirby, both Elite 11 QBs. Ty Moss was a 4 star local RB. Charlie Jones was a 4 star local RB. Bobby Washington (who never enrolled) did sign with us, and was a 4 star local RB. We also signed Lance Legget (4 stars), Jolla (4 stars), Ryan Moore (5 stars), guys like Reggie Youngblood, Bryan Pata, Hester, Willie Williams, Calais Campbell, Eric Moncur, Lavon Ponder, Andrew Bain, James Bryant, Baraka Atkins, Rhyan Anderson, Greg Olsen, Leon Washington, Alex Pou, Tyler McMeans, Willie Cooper, Jon Beason, Orrien Harris, Kenny Phillips, and others. These were ALL 4 and 5 star guys. ON PAPER.

These classes were HIGHLY rated, and loaded with "paper studs". The problem was Coker was not evaluating sh*t, just relying on recruiting rankings, and these classes ended up being huge busts. But these were not "low rated" guys.

not sure if it was the evals that were the problem or the zero development those guys experienced while here

 

[CANE4LIFE]

It comes down to winning and making the program exciting again. Make it exciting to play for Miami and recruiting will get better. At least thats one aspect of it IMO.

Winning is part of it. The other part is for the coaches to effectively recruit. I remember back in 02-03 when we had those sequentially disastrous classes (the John Wood type of classes) and the Corker slurpers were defending the low rankings (despite being perennial winners the years before) stating that kids didn't want to come to Miami because of how stacked we were. As we know now, that was just some mealy mouthed excuse for bad recruiting.

I have to disagree with you here. Yes there were people b*tching, because UM fans will b*tch about everything and anything, but on PAPER our recruiting was always near the top during those years 2002-2005ish. Kyle Wright, Kirby, both Elite 11 QBs. Ty Moss was a 4 star local RB. Charlie Jones was a 4 star local RB. Bobby Washington (who never enrolled) did sign with us, and was a 4 star local RB. We also signed Lance Legget (4 stars), Jolla (4 stars), Ryan Moore (5 stars), guys like Reggie Youngblood, Bryan Pata, Hester, Willie Williams, Calais Campbell, Eric Moncur, Lavon Ponder, Andrew Bain, James Bryant, Baraka Atkins, Rhyan Anderson, Greg Olsen, Leon Washington, Alex Pou, Tyler McMeans, Willie Cooper, Jon Beason, Orrien Harris, Kenny Phillips, and others. These were ALL 4 and 5 star guys. ON PAPER.

These classes were HIGHLY rated, and loaded with "paper studs". The problem was Coker was not evaluating sh*t, just relying on recruiting rankings, and these classes ended up being huge busts. But these were not "low rated" guys.

not sure if it was the evals that were the problem or the zero development those guys experienced while here

I think it was the culture and lack of identity. Coker had no idea what he wanted this program to be. Everyone bought too much into the "NFL U" idea, and no one knew what the **** it meant. We had a lot of highly talented guys, but everyone sort of doing their own thing. Poor conditioning, poor work eithic, no discipline, suspect coaching, and no real identity, especially on offense.

In College, I have always held, that having the RIGHT players, is as important, if not more than having the BEST players. Great coaches dont just go out and sign a bunch of highly rated guys, they get the best guys that fit their identity, their schemes, what they want to do with their teams, the best "fit" guys. Coker never did that. He just went out and offered all kinds of highly rated guys with the "NFL U" mentality. Guys who all came here thinking it was an easy ticket to the league, and it never gelled as a "team".

In fairness to him though, he did have some coach killers at QB. Wright turned out to be an epic bust. With better QB play, Coker wins more games, wins the ACC, and probably stays here longer. The defense wasnt that bad, it was poor roster management, and very inconsistent play by overrated guys on offense. Freeman was a guy who perfectly highlighted poor recruiting. He was a running/mobile type QB, and should have played in that kind of system. Instead, Coker went out and grabbed him because he was an Elite 11 high rated guy, with NO thought given to how he would fit in our system. Which he didnt, and that's why he was another epic bust here.

Those two guys pretty much killed Coker's career IMO, along with the lazy culture of entitlement that had many players out of shape, and doing whatever they wanted, instead of working hard and fitting them into any vision or identity he had for the team. It was all just "grab high rated guys and throw them out there".

 

[bobbydigius]

It comes down to winning and making the program exciting again. Make it exciting to play for Miami and recruiting will get better. At least thats one aspect of it IMO.

Winning is part of it. The other part is for the coaches to effectively recruit. I remember back in 02-03 when we had those sequentially disastrous classes (the John Wood type of classes) and the Corker slurpers were defending the low rankings (despite being perennial winners the years before) stating that kids didn't want to come to Miami because of how stacked we were. As we know now, that was just some mealy mouthed excuse for bad recruiting.

02-05 all were pretty much Top 5 classes

Not top 5 but no lower then top 10.......

 

[sabrose]

The Powell Story makes no sense .He was quoted he is glad Golden is staying. Word is that Powell was offered Booster money by UF. They are desperate.

 

[Joecane]

I think AU meant the 2005 & 2006 classes.

 

[bobbydigius]

The Powell Story makes no sense .He was quoted he is glad Golden is staying. Word is that Powell was offered Booster money by UF. They are desperate.

Desperate for what?
Even without Lane, Cook and Jc Jackson they still have a very good class. They dont really have any RB depth or talent issues either. They have Matt Jones, Brown and Taylor.....
The money excuse is real weak....

 

[FG305]

The Powell Story makes no sense .He was quoted he is glad Golden is staying. Word is that Powell was offered Booster money by UF. They are desperate.

Why not offer booster money to a higher rated prospect?

 

[NoVaCaneFan]

Finishing w/ Lenius, Njoku and offering some JUCO RB is not exactly thrilling...feels like settling w/ Plans C at this point

I hope this staff can work some magic because they haven't been impressive this past month

 

[HCanes]

So no Sony? I don't understand why he doesn't want to even listen to us. What a shame