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WeBallinBoyz said:
And look…realistically, anyone at Miami should land a Top 15 class. We’re talking about Mario Cristobal…a relentless, maniacal human that eats and breathes this ****. It’s his forte. Expectations should be higher, MUCH higher.

Like you said, Mario wasn’t hired to win immediately. Recruiting and stacking talent was priority #1 to overhaul the garbage Manny brought in, and I’d argue #2 was a culture and mindset change of the program. Winning (which should come naturally from the first two points being addressed) was #3, and 90% of us acknowledged he’s just a fine game day coach. He’s not great, he’s not atrocious if we’re being real…just ok. We blow things out of proportion a lot on here.

I’m tired of typing the same responses over and over but if the product on the field is already impacting recruiting in Year 2…well the pressure is ramped up big time to fix that because he cannot build a winning program here if we settle for classes in the 15-range.

To be clear, I still think we get a Top 10-12 class going 8-4 or 9-3, but any sign of life on the recruiting trail would be nice before the season starts.

Top 6 no chance unless we win 10 games and a NY6 bowl imo.
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WeBallinBoyz said:
The goalposts have been moved each month lol. It’s insane…I should bring up posts from the summer and people would just brush it off.

The two things that give me hope is that Mario improved by 3+ wins from Year 1 to Year 2 at both FIU and Oregon, plus the schedule is pretty manageable.
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There is a brutal stretch in the middle of the schedule, and I think our base is thoroughly underestimating it.
 
Canesfan43 said:
This has been said about every recruiting class of a new coach since forever. Shannon 08, Golden 2012, Richt 2018, Diaz 2021, "These kids are different". The reality is the classes haven't been nearly good as advertised, we need to pull multiple classes of 3+ 5 stars and 15+ 4 stars to compete with Bama/UGA
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Only Richt(and he was on a retirement tour with early onset dimensia), had any proven track record with signing and developing talent like Mario has. That is fact. Whether you choose to believe it or not doesn't matter.

People keep saying Mario was brought in here to recruit top 5 classes.

So he is supposed to come right in to a 7 win program that has not had full administration support over past 18 years, and start recruiting right behind UGA, Alabama, Ohio State, etc..? Who said that? Overzealous fans set that benchmark?

Mario had never signed a top 5 class at Oregon(he was on verge with the 2022 Oregon class before he left), but he is supposed to waltz right in and do that here?

If you have followed recruiting long enough you know the body type and caliber of players he has signed in 2 years has been different that previous regimes.

Jacurri
Emory

Citizen
Fletcher

Skinner
Williams
Carver

Young

Mauigoa
Okunlola
Kinsler
Frankie
Cooper
McCoy

Moten
Colins
Wayne
Kelly
Horton
Moss

Bryant
Washington
Aguirre
Bissanthe
Pulliam

Brown
Stafford
Spencer

Length, size, athleticism

We need to worry about beating teams like Duke and UNC before we start trying to "Bring on Bama".
 
gacaneaddict said:
So he is supposed to come right in to a 7 win program that has not had full administration support over past 18 years, and start recruiting right behind UGA, Alabama, Ohio State, etc..? Who said that? Overzealous fans set that benchmark?
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He came into a 7 win program with all the resources in the world and won 5 games.
 
gacaneaddict said:
Only Richt(and he was on a retirement tour with early onset dimensia), had any proven track record with signing and developing talent like Mario has. That is fact. Whether you choose to believe it or not doesn't matter.

People keep saying Mario was brought in here to recruit top 5 classes.

So he is supposed to come right in to a 7 win program that has not had full administration support over past 18 years, and start recruiting right behind UGA, Alabama, Ohio State, etc..? Who said that? Overzealous fans set that benchmark?

Mario had never signed a top 5 class at Oregon(he was on verge with the 2022 Oregon class before he left), but he is supposed to waltz right in and do that here?

If you have followed recruiting long enough you know the body type and caliber of players he has signed in 2 years has been different that previous regimes.

Jacurri
Emory

Citizen
Fletcher

Skinner
Williams
Carver

Young

Mauigoa
Okunlola
Kinsler
Frankie
Cooper
McCoy

Moten
Colins
Wayne
Kelly
Horton
Moss

Bryant
Washington
Aguirre
Bissanthe
Pulliam

Brown
Stafford
Spencer

Length, size, athleticism

We need to worry about beating teams like Duke and UNC before we start trying to "Bring on Bama".
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Mario is paid 8 million a year, he's brought in to win NC. Anything less is a disappointment at that price. All we heard when we hired Mario is how "bought in" the school is, AD, etc. and then we got blown the **** out by MTSU and anybody with a pulse. The MTSU loss was **** near fireable, Golden never had a loss that bad and he was at a dollar store salary compared to Mario
 
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It's true that Mario recruited very well in pulling together the '21 class at the 11th hour, and assembling what appears to be a very impressive '22 class.

It's also true that last season was an absolute trainwreck. Mario is in no way absolved of a large share of responsibility for that.

To me, the jury's out more than ever in terms of the '23 class. Why? Because we don't know to what degree Mario has financial backing to be competitive for upper echelon recruits. Enough to fill the cupboard with them? Or enough resources to hit on a few priority recruits?
AND the conference uncertainty I'm sure is also a factor that shouldn't be underestimated. I understand the wait-and-see for on-field results reality, but imo there are more factors at play here.
 
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GOCANES05 said:
We have a totally different team , we’re going to witness something taking shape very quickly that the young folks haven’t experienced.
We’re assembling Restrepo type players that DO have stomach for (4) quarters of combat , that will weather the storm, that will fight back , that will not let there teammates fall .

That will look at each other eye to eye saying we got them right where we want them .

Call the 44 quick trap WE will open that RUNNING LANE hit it hard IT WILL BE THERE !!!!

What a great feeling for a OL looking up from the ground as the WISK high pumping QUADS blasting by as the second level opens just as Restrepo BLAST that safety closing fast with all Restrepo has giving a slight opening as RB afterburners ignite to daylight.

How’s that brothers from an old OL player who can to this day picture what this team mindset will be made of.

We will see a new breed Cane team we’ve wanted to see fir so long .

Our wagon train is always open for naysayers to join .

GOCANES
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Brother that was a **** of a vivid picture you painted, and I felt like I was right there. Hearing the crowd roar. Nice post.
 
I don’t even know why I open these threads.

CIS should really consider adding a Mope tag like they do with ”2025” year to the thread title.
 
Canesfan43 said:
It's just excuse after excuse with Mario, some people just can't face the fact that maybe homeboy ain't what they think he is
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He can still turn it around but let’s be objective and fair about things and call them as they are. People should be stating the facts and also giving credit where due as well.
 
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TheATLCane said:
this is the Gattis effect. Mario’s biggest mistake so far. It’s costing him in more ways than you’d think
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Yeah, I mean Mario didn’t exactly have the reputation as an offensive innovator to begin with and Gattis, injuries… just made it that much worse. I knew it was going to be bad but the effect is worse than I imagined. We really need Dawson to erase that.
 
RVACane said:
We’re soft? How bout I do something to you to show you how hard I am?

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gacaneaddict said:
Only Richt(and he was on a retirement tour with early onset dimensia), had any proven track record with signing and developing talent like Mario has. That is fact. Whether you choose to believe it or not doesn't matter.

People keep saying Mario was brought in here to recruit top 5 classes.

So he is supposed to come right in to a 7 win program that has not had full administration support over past 18 years, and start recruiting right behind UGA, Alabama, Ohio State, etc..? Who said that? Overzealous fans set that benchmark?

Mario had never signed a top 5 class at Oregon(he was on verge with the 2022 Oregon class before he left), but he is supposed to waltz right in and do that here?

If you have followed recruiting long enough you know the body type and caliber of players he has signed in 2 years has been different that previous regimes.

Jacurri
Emory

Citizen
Fletcher

Skinner
Williams
Carver

Young

Mauigoa
Okunlola
Kinsler
Frankie
Cooper
McCoy

Moten
Colins
Wayne
Kelly
Horton
Moss

Bryant
Washington
Aguirre
Bissanthe
Pulliam

Brown
Stafford
Spencer

Length, size, athleticism

We need to worry about beating teams like Duke and UNC before we start trying to "Bring on Bama".
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Overall, you're making a very good point about recruiting athleticism, but two things:

1) One recruiting class won't do it, anywhere. The measuring stick is putting together back-to-bsck stellar classes. Then, there's a serious reason for belief and momentum.

2) No serious defensive staff is scared of #2 and #3 QBs in Jacurri Brown and Emory Williams.
 
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Canesfan43 said:
A career horrible GameDay, .500 coach that got blown out by MTSU and anybody with a pulse last year?
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Everything that could go wrong went wrong last year...let the man fix it. OC was trash and he let him go...it's a whole another year and half of the wastes of sperm on this team are gone

You gonna give him the time to fix this horrible 20 year culture of inept Miami Hurricanes football or y'all gonna keep complaining knowing what we been throwing out there on the field?
 
JeddTheFisch said:
Overall, you're making a very good point about recruiting athleticism, but two things:

1) One recruiting class won't do it, anywhere. The measuring stick is putting together back-to-bsck stellar classes. Then, there's a serious reason for belief and momentum.

2) No serious defensive staff is scared of #2 and #3 QBs in Jacurri Brown and Emory Williams.
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It's more their size I'm referring to. Jacurri is 6'4 220 plus with a big arm, and is a very good athlete. Emory is 6'5 over 200, and is already showing things. Of course no current defensive staff is "scared" at the moment, but I'm not sure that'll be the case in 2024.
 
Yoyo82 said:
He needs 9 wins this year.

But 100% the goalposts are moving. Mario needs top 5 classes if he wants top 10 teams.

He needs to stack back to back to back top 5 classes if he wants a playoff team.

Top 15 classes is what we got with the last several head coaches. Moving to top 12 isn't going to change anything when you have a mediocre (or even below average) game day coach.
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Except when you factor how many of those supposes top 15 classes from Manny & Richt circa 2016-2021 were full of busts & trash evals it changes the reality. An 11th ranked class of Mario's & Manny's or Richt are not the same. But I do agree we need 8 or more W's this year to get the program back in the right track. With the portal the necessity of top 5 classes is somewhat diminished, for evidence of that just ask the CIS Norvell fan club and they'll confirm gladly.
 
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