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Gables Canes

Gables Canes

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I continue to believe that this offense has a whole other gear we haven't seen yet. Our TE room is super deep - with 3 dudes (Arroyo, Lofton, and Williams) all capable of making plays and stretching the field. Even old man Cam has had his moments.

Despite all this, they've only caught a combined 5 passes over the last 3 games. Can we expect to see more of them in the passing game moving forward? It seems like we've gone back to using them almost purely for blocking, and I'm not sure why.

What better game to do it than vs. Duke. We all know how great Manny is at defending TE's 😆
 
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Gables Canes said:
I continue to believe that this offense has a whole other gear we haven't seen yet. Our TE room is super deep - with 3 dudes (Arroyo, Lofton, and Williams) all capable of making plays and stretching the field. Even old man Cam has had his moments.

Despite all this, they've only caught a combined 5 passes over the last 3 games. Can we expect to see more of them in the passing game moving forward? It seems like we've gone back to using them almost purely for blocking, and I'm not sure why.

What better game to do it than vs. Duke. We all know how great Manny is at defending TE's 😆
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It's mainly because we've been running more so the TEs are blocking more.
 
Dawson has suddenly turned into Mike Leach with his utilization of TEs in the Air Raid. Arroyo looks like a nfl player when he has the ball in his hands and is a mismatch for any team in cfb, but he’s rarely utilized.
 
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He schemed up two nice plays to Arroyo last game. Another play was schemed to Lofton but the FSU LB never bit on the action. We needed to see more. Their corners were really good. Should have found ways to expose their LB’s.

Still waiting on the play action fake to Lofton coming off the fullback blocking position.
 
Gables Canes said:
I continue to believe that this offense has a whole other gear we haven't seen yet. Our TE room is super deep - with 3 dudes (Arroyo, Lofton, and Williams) all capable of making plays and stretching the field. Even old man Cam has had his moments.

Despite all this, they've only caught a combined 5 passes over the last 3 games. Can we expect to see more of them in the passing game moving forward? It seems like we've gone back to using them almost purely for blocking, and I'm not sure why.

What better game to do it than vs. Duke. We all know how great Manny is at defending TE's 😆
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There is a finite number of plays each game. The defensive alignment typically dictates play calls. There are 6 players on the field for offense that can potentially advance the football. Sure, we can target the TEs more, but at what expense? Do we take targets away from X? Isaiah Horton? JG? Sam Brown? Do we take handoffs away from Martinez? Fletcher? Allen?

Last week, FSU played a soft deep cover 2 and dropped 5-6 all night. That screams RUN THE BALL to the OC, which we did....EXTREMELY EFFECTIVELY. Were we supposed to force the pass into that coverage in order to get EA, EL and RW more targets?

I do agree with your last sentence though.
 
Slightly confused if this was a nitpick post or if you are legitimately concerned that we don't use our TE weapons.

The offense is taking what the defense is giving them. Ward, Mario, and Dawson have all said as much. We are still being pretty effective overall and winning showing we can play multiple styles.
 
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MikeCane18 said:
Slightly confused if this was a nitpick post or if you are legitimately concerned that we don't use our TE weapons.

The offense is taking what the defense is giving them. Ward, Mario, and Dawson have all said as much. We are still being pretty effective overall and winning showing we can play multiple styles.
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Neither really. I'm just a bit surprised how little the TE's have been involved in the passing game of late, and was looking for someone who was more intimately familiar with X and O's to explain why (others above have started to do so)

Also to express that this might be the week the TE's break out based on Manuela's inability to cover the middle of the field.
 
Dropped 52 on Louisville and people were complaining the TEs weren’t used enough

I guess we gotta shift gears now that the running game showed dominance because that was the other gear I was told we were missing

Its like people don’t read @OrangeBowlMagic threads

(Not directed at @Gables Canes here I’d love to see Arroyo dominate this one)
 
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BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
There is a finite number of plays each game. The defensive alignment typically dictates play calls. There are 6 players on the field for offense that can potentially advance the football. Sure, we can target the TEs more, but at what expense? Do we take targets away from X? Isaiah Horton? JG? Sam Brown? Do we take handoffs away from Martinez? Fletcher? Allen?

Last week, FSU played a soft deep cover 2 and dropped 5-6 all night. That screams RUN THE BALL to the OC, which we did....EXTREMELY EFFECTIVELY. Were we supposed to force the pass into that coverage in order to get EA, EL and RW more targets?

I do agree with your last sentence though.
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This. We keep seeing these posts saying player X, Y, or Z needs 10 touches a game. But mathematically we can't consistently give all our RBs, WRs, and TEs that many touches. It will be based on what the opponent's defense is showing us. There may be games where a certain WR, RB, or TEs gets a lot of touches, but none are going to get that every game.
 
I was expecting something completely different when I opened this thread per thread title.

Bored Season 5 GIF by The Office
 
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I believe the issue is that the TE’s typically only receive passes when a play is specifically designed for that purpose, whereas Cam will go to his 2nd, 3rd and even 4th WR option. But he rarely comes back to the TE if nothing else is open. This is not a criticism of Cam. Every QB has some preference between WR’s, TE’s and RB’s. Steve Walsh and Ken Dorsey looked for the TE’s a lot.
Cam also doesn’t like to dump off to the RB’s but is doing it more and more effectively as the season has progressed.

To your point, if UM wants the TE’s involved more it will have to be through plays designed for the TE to make the catch. It won’t happen often if Cam is going thru reads because he almost always finds a WR to whom he believes he can complete the throw, or an RB if he’s in trouble.
 
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MikeCane18 said:
Slightly confused if this was a nitpick post or if you are legitimately concerned that we don't use our TE weapons.

The offense is taking what the defense is giving them. Ward, Mario, and Dawson have all said as much. We are still being pretty effective overall and winning showing we can play multiple styles.
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Imagine if we had Jeremiah Smiff at WR and he was getting thrown to 3-4 times a game, but we still had a high octane offense. One could make the same argument that the offense is just taking what the D gives them. It would probably be true, but I think it’s valid to ask if it’s an Xs and Os issue or if it’s due to the D taking that option away. I’d ask the football gurus here if they think the OC isn’t placing enough of an emphasis in getting the ball into the hands of his biggest playermaker. Perhaps I am overestimating Arroyos skill set, but he looks to me like he is an impossible mismatch. No LB can cover him and he runs as fast as a top tier WR when he has the ball. He’s too tall for a DB to cover him. I’d like to see him get the ball more but I am also curious if the D is erasing him , Cam just doesn’t check down to TEs often, or if Dawson isnt drawing up plays that are specifically designed to get Arroyo the ball.
 
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Squid Bumciorek said:
Imagine if we had Jeremiah Smiff at WR and he was getting thrown to 3-4 times a game, but we still had a high octane offense. One could make the same argument that the offense is just taking what the D gives them. It would probably be true, but I think it’s valid to ask if it’s an Xs and Os issue or if it’s due to the D taking that option away. I’d ask the football gurus here if they think the OC isn’t placing enough of an emphasis in getting the ball into the hands of his biggest playermaker. Perhaps I am overestimating Arroyos skill set, but he looks to me like he is an impossible mismatch. No LB can cover him and he runs as fast as a top tier WR when he has the ball. He’s too tall for a DB to cover him. I’d like to see him get the ball more but I am also curious if the D is erasing him , Cam just doesn’t check down to TEs often, or if Dawson isnt drawing up plays that are specifically designed to get Arroyo the ball.
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Yea, I think there's likely truth to all 3 things you state in your last sentence. I don't think Dawson or Cam are trying to game plan away from the TE, but if there is a style of defense where the route concepts and plays create less advantageous opportunities for the TE but open up other areas and we execute it then that's how it goes.

Everyone will eat eventually.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
There is a finite number of plays each game. The defensive alignment typically dictates play calls. There are 6 players on the field for offense that can potentially advance the football. Sure, we can target the TEs more, but at what expense? Do we take targets away from X? Isaiah Horton? JG? Sam Brown? Do we take handoffs away from Martinez? Fletcher? Allen?

Last week, FSU played a soft deep cover 2 and dropped 5-6 all night. That screams RUN THE BALL to the OC, which we did....EXTREMELY EFFECTIVELY. Were we supposed to force the pass into that coverage in order to get EA, EL and RW more targets?

I do agree with your last sentence though.
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Arroyo has 16 catches and you can make the argument he is the 2nd best receiver behind Restrepo. Hèll based off ability you can make the case he is the best. You get your best players the ball end of discussion
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
Imagine if we had Jeremiah Smiff at WR and he was getting thrown to 3-4 times a game, but we still had a high octane offense. One could make the same argument that the offense is just taking what the D gives them. It would probably be true, but I think it’s valid to ask if it’s an Xs and Os issue or if it’s due to the D taking that option away. I’d ask the football gurus here if they think the OC isn’t placing enough of an emphasis in getting the ball into the hands of his biggest playermaker. Perhaps I am overestimating Arroyos skill set, but he looks to me like he is an impossible mismatch. No LB can cover him and he runs as fast as a top tier WR when he has the ball. He’s too tall for a DB to cover him. I’d like to see him get the ball more but I am also curious if the D is erasing him , Cam just doesn’t check down to TEs often, or if Dawson isnt drawing up plays that are specifically designed to get Arroyo the ball.
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Imagine if all our fans had IQs above 75 and understood concepts like finite and once you're #1, you cannot do any better.

We literally have the best offense in the nation, doing things at a historic clip, and some of you people STILL are busy looking for things to b!tcch about. SHOW SOME COTDAM GRATITUDE!!!
 
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