The roster, the NCAA, the impact...

[hoover437]

Well of you only have 8 seniors left from one class it means your recruiting is ****ty. We didn't have any sanctions limiting our scholarships. It was a combination of bad evaluations of players both on and off the field.

We didn't have sanctions, but we were recruiting with one hand tied behind our backs and a shiv in our gut.

I know Goldens first class was a patchwork job because he was short on time. But after that the clowd was overblown. Sure we lost a few recruits because of it but it wasn't some debilitating menace like he wants us to believe.

That's positively idiotic. No offense. There was "death penalty" chatter. And we were giving up bowls every year. I'd give that response a little more thought.

It's amazing that even with death penalty chatter we were able to land guys like Deon Bush, Tyriq McCord, Ralph Kirby, AQM, Coley, Sandland , Darrion Owens and more before our actual sanctions were announced.

I'm not saying there were recruits that we lost because of negative recruiting. But to act like we only had a pool of talent to recruit similar to FAU is ridiculous.

You do realize that he recruited the names you have on there, and it's not like they were from feeder schools. The cloud did not help us, but the staff recruited their butts off. Let's give them some credit in spite of the crap the NCAA was doing to the school.

 

[RiDLer80]

We didn't have sanctions, but we were recruiting with one hand tied behind our backs and a shiv in our gut.

I know Goldens first class was a patchwork job because he was short on time. But after that the clowd was overblown. Sure we lost a few recruits because of it but it wasn't some debilitating menace like he wants us to believe.

That's positively idiotic. No offense. There was "death penalty" chatter. And we were giving up bowls every year. I'd give that response a little more thought.

It's amazing that even with death penalty chatter we were able to land guys like Deon Bush, Tyriq McCord, Ralph Kirby, AQM, Coley, Sandland , Darrion Owens and more before our actual sanctions were announced.

I'm not saying there were recruits that we lost because of negative recruiting. But to act like we only had a pool of talent to recruit similar to FAU is ridiculous.

You do realize that he recruited the names you have on there, and it's not like they were from feeder schools. The cloud did not help us, but the staff recruited their butts off. Let's give them some credit insight of the crap the NCAA was doing to the school.

That was exactly my point. I chose those names for a reason. bomb is making it seem as though it was an impossible task to recruit, but our staff obviously was able to do it, against big names schools, from schools that aren't traditional Miami pipelines. All those players were committed before our actual sanctions were announced and we had to go head to head versus the big boys for them.

 

[Miami82]

I'm not saying build your team through the JuCo ranks. You should accent your recruiting with JuCos or key free agents.

Totally agree. But having 8 scholarship seniors out of say an average class size of 24 or so means you're not "accenting" the class with Jucos, etc. It means you're ****ed and are filling your two deep with transfers, Jucos, and kids who should be backups still.

Well of you only have 8 seniors left from one class it means your recruiting is ******. We didn't have any sanctions limiting our scholarships. It was a combination of bad evaluations of players both on and off the field.

We didn't have sanctions, but we were recruiting with one hand tied behind our backs and a shiv in our gut.

I know Goldens first class was a patchwork job because he was short on time. But after that the clowd was overblown. Sure we lost a few recruits because of it but it wasn't some debilitating menace like he wants us to believe.

It's nothing but an excuse. His misses at DT are atrocious. No getting around that.

 

[We'retheBoss]

Having only 8 SRs on the roster because the NFL took all your talent reflects well on your program. This is not the reason the 2014 Canes have 8 SRs on the roster.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

There are no problems with our roster that four or five generous bag men couldn't compensate for.

Take heed non-believers!

 

[poncho0091]

We are regularly getting top 20 classes since Golden has been here minus year 1. How much talent do we really need to beat teams like Duke, WF, UNC. Seriously, is our talent 2001, **** no, but lets not act like we're FAU. The results at this point have been sub par and the defense has been just unacceptable. For all the crap players Randy might have left, Golden's best defensive year was with Randy's players. The reason our record wasn't better that year than this year was much more difficult schedule and player suspensions.

 

[Spidercane]

It's funny how we don't seem to have a huge problem recruiting/signing good offensive talent.

Cloud or no cloud.

It is also funny how we have so much trouble bringing in elite defensive talent.

Cloud or no cloud.

The NCAA mess hurt us but believe it or not what is hurting us worse is this Mickey Mouse scheme that we play on defense.

The H.S. kids see this atrocity of a scheme and they are staying away like the plague.

You guys can blame the NCAA and the cloud all you want to.

Al and Co are not making things any easier being so stubborn to make changes (kids don't want to play patty cake at the line of scrimmage, line up 50 yards off of the ball and play read and react. That's not Miami football period) and being such average coaches.

 

[killa1storm]

Honestly, the fewer seniors you have the better.

The elite guys aren't hanging around 4 years. If you hope to contend, you need the elite guys. Which means most of those guys are leaving school as juniors. If you have a lot of seniors on your squad, you haven't recruited well.

Way too simplistic. Miami doesn't have a dearth of senior talent because we lost them all to the draft.

I'm not saying they do. My comment was geneeral. Going forward, if you have a lot of senior talent, then you haven't recruited well. So it makes no sense to use the number of seniors to guage how talented a roster is or isn't.

Question: How long are guys like Duke, Tracy, Flowers, Coley, etc. staying at Miami? 3 years tops correct? And why is that? Because they have NFL potential. Those are the guys you want to stack your team with. When Miami was good, how many of those guys were hanging around for their senior year?

Now I'm not diminishing the contribution seniors can make. Just highlighting that the elite guys aren't staying around 4 years. How many seniors who are contributing do you think are on teams like Bama and LSU? Barely any. I'd be very concerned if a UF team ever had a ton of seniors contributing on it. Tells me the NFL didn't think enough of them which is why they're back at school...in most cases.

 

[bomb]

Well of you only have 8 seniors left from one class it means your recruiting is ******. We didn't have any sanctions limiting our scholarships. It was a combination of bad evaluations of players both on and off the field.

We didn't have sanctions, but we were recruiting with one hand tied behind our backs and a shiv in our gut.

I know Goldens first class was a patchwork job because he was short on time. But after that the clowd was overblown. Sure we lost a few recruits because of it but it wasn't some debilitating menace like he wants us to believe.

That's positively idiotic. No offense. There was "death penalty" chatter. And we were giving up bowls every year. I'd give that response a little more thought.

It's amazing that even with death penalty chatter we were able to land guys like Deon Bush, Tyriq McCord, Ralph Kirby, AQM, Coley, Sandland , Darrion Owens and more before our actual sanctions were announced.

I'm not saying there were recruits that we lost because of negative recruiting. But to act like we only had a pool of talent to recruit similar to FAU is ridiculous.

Which no one ever said. Its awesome that we were able to pull a handful of kids that belong here, but the concept that we should have been able to fill our classes with deep talent at every position like Alabama, FSU, etc while having that **** going on is just plain stupid. I can't believe you typed that and hit send to be honest. You should be giving the staff credit for holding it together and improving things while this was going on. You're being very short-sided. Posts like that really frustrate me.

 

[bomb]

Honestly, the fewer seniors you have the better.

The elite guys aren't hanging around 4 years. If you hope to contend, you need the elite guys. Which means most of those guys are leaving school as juniors. If you have a lot of seniors on your squad, you haven't recruited well.

Way too simplistic. Miami doesn't have a dearth of senior talent because we lost them all to the draft.

I'm not saying they do. My comment was geneeral. Going forward, if you have a lot of senior talent, then you haven't recruited well. So it makes no sense to use the number of seniors to guage how talented a roster is or isn't.

Question: How long are guys like Duke, Tracy, Flowers, Coley, etc. staying at Miami? 3 years tops correct? And why is that? Because they have NFL potential. Those are the guys you want to stack your team with. When Miami was good, how many of those guys were hanging around for their senior year?

Now I'm not diminishing the contribution seniors can make. Just highlighting that the elite guys aren't staying around 4 years. How many seniors who are contributing do you think are on teams like Bama and LSU? Barely any. I'd be very concerned if a UF team ever had a ton of seniors contributing on it. Tells me the NFL didn't think enough of them which is why they're back at school...in most cases.

This is a thread about MIAMI recruiting and how MIAMI only has about 8 senior kids who signed out of HS. I'm not sure why you'd make a "general" point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, the MIAMI recruiting situation, as a response.

 

[bomb]

I know Goldens first class was a patchwork job because he was short on time. But after that the clowd was overblown. Sure we lost a few recruits because of it but it wasn't some debilitating menace like he wants us to believe.

That's positively idiotic. No offense. There was "death penalty" chatter. And we were giving up bowls every year. I'd give that response a little more thought.

It's amazing that even with death penalty chatter we were able to land guys like Deon Bush, Tyriq McCord, Ralph Kirby, AQM, Coley, Sandland , Darrion Owens and more before our actual sanctions were announced.

I'm not saying there were recruits that we lost because of negative recruiting. But to act like we only had a pool of talent to recruit similar to FAU is ridiculous.

You do realize that he recruited the names you have on there, and it's not like they were from feeder schools. The cloud did not help us, but the staff recruited their butts off. Let's give them some credit insight of the crap the NCAA was doing to the school.

That was exactly my point. I chose those names for a reason. bomb is making it seem as though it was an impossible task to recruit, but our staff obviously was able to do it, against big names schools, from schools that aren't traditional Miami pipelines. All those players were committed before our actual sanctions were announced and we had to go head to head versus the big boys for them.

No, "bomb" is NOT "making it seem as though it was an impossible task to recruit," bomb is saying it was an impossible task to recruit a talented and deep 25-30 kid class like our competition did. If you don't think it was a massive disadvantage to recruit under those circumstances, I'm just not sure what to say.

But instead of demanding that AG and Co. have been able to beat out FSU and BAMA for the top classes while we had the NCAA and future probation and possible bowl losses hanging over our head because we WERE able to get a few top kids, I think what you should be saying it "hey, nice job beating out the other big boys for some big time talent under the circumstances."

 

[poncho0091]

We didn't have sanctions, but we were recruiting with one hand tied behind our backs and a shiv in our gut.

I know Goldens first class was a patchwork job because he was short on time. But after that the clowd was overblown. Sure we lost a few recruits because of it but it wasn't some debilitating menace like he wants us to believe.

That's positively idiotic. No offense. There was "death penalty" chatter. And we were giving up bowls every year. I'd give that response a little more thought.

It's amazing that even with death penalty chatter we were able to land guys like Deon Bush, Tyriq McCord, Ralph Kirby, AQM, Coley, Sandland , Darrion Owens and more before our actual sanctions were announced.

I'm not saying there were recruits that we lost because of negative recruiting. But to act like we only had a pool of talent to recruit similar to FAU is ridiculous.

Which no one ever said. Its awesome that we were able to pull a handful of kids that belong here, but the concept that we should have been able to fill our classes with deep talent at every position like Alabama, FSU, etc while having that **** going on is just plain stupid. I can't believe you typed that and hit send to be honest. You should be giving the staff credit for holding it together and improving things while this was going on. You're being very short-sided. Posts like that really frustrate me.

Who said we were going to look like Bama and FSU with that **** going? At this point we just want to feel safe enough that ****** teams like WF are not a significant challenge for us.

 

[poncho0091]

That's positively idiotic. No offense. There was "death penalty" chatter. And we were giving up bowls every year. I'd give that response a little more thought.

It's amazing that even with death penalty chatter we were able to land guys like Deon Bush, Tyriq McCord, Ralph Kirby, AQM, Coley, Sandland , Darrion Owens and more before our actual sanctions were announced.

I'm not saying there were recruits that we lost because of negative recruiting. But to act like we only had a pool of talent to recruit similar to FAU is ridiculous.

You do realize that he recruited the names you have on there, and it's not like they were from feeder schools. The cloud did not help us, but the staff recruited their butts off. Let's give them some credit insight of the crap the NCAA was doing to the school.

That was exactly my point. I chose those names for a reason. bomb is making it seem as though it was an impossible task to recruit, but our staff obviously was able to do it, against big names schools, from schools that aren't traditional Miami pipelines. All those players were committed before our actual sanctions were announced and we had to go head to head versus the big boys for them.

No, "bomb" is NOT "making it seem as though it was an impossible task to recruit," bomb is saying it was an impossible task to recruit a talented and deep 25-30 kid class like our competition did. If you don't think it was a massive disadvantage to recruit under those circumstances, I'm just not sure what to say.

But instead of demanding that AG and Co. have been able to beat out FSU and BAMA for the top classes while we had the NCAA and future probation and possible bowl losses hanging over our head because we WERE able to get a few top kids, I think what you should be saying it "hey, nice job beating out the other big boys for some big time talent under the circumstances."

You realize not every team signs 25-30 every year correct? The only reason the bigger schools do it more often is because most of their players leave early for the pros or transfer because of PT.

 

[killa1storm]

Honestly, the fewer seniors you have the better.

The elite guys aren't hanging around 4 years. If you hope to contend, you need the elite guys. Which means most of those guys are leaving school as juniors. If you have a lot of seniors on your squad, you haven't recruited well.

Way too simplistic. Miami doesn't have a dearth of senior talent because we lost them all to the draft.

I'm not saying they do. My comment was geneeral. Going forward, if you have a lot of senior talent, then you haven't recruited well. So it makes no sense to use the number of seniors to guage how talented a roster is or isn't.

Question: How long are guys like Duke, Tracy, Flowers, Coley, etc. staying at Miami? 3 years tops correct? And why is that? Because they have NFL potential. Those are the guys you want to stack your team with. When Miami was good, how many of those guys were hanging around for their senior year?

Now I'm not diminishing the contribution seniors can make. Just highlighting that the elite guys aren't staying around 4 years. How many seniors who are contributing do you think are on teams like Bama and LSU? Barely any. I'd be very concerned if a UF team ever had a ton of seniors contributing on it. Tells me the NFL didn't think enough of them which is why they're back at school...in most cases.

This is a thread about MIAMI recruiting and how MIAMI only has about 8 senior kids who signed out of HS. I'm not sure why you'd make a "general" point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, the MIAMI recruiting situation, as a response.

I can read just fine smartass, I know what the thread is about.

And my response applies to Miami's situation though it was made generally. I'm not sure why the senior class is the only class one would look at to gauge talent on a team when it is 1 of 4 classes that make up a team. Particularly when the best players do not stay until their senior year in a majority of cases. So by and large the senior class is always the less talented class across college football.

To illustrate that point, I highlighted guys like Duke, Tracy, Deon, Coley, Flowers, etc. who will never see their senior year. But you completely glossed over that point because it doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to create, I guess.

 

[FG305]

Those 8 SENIORS each represent a pillar of success which Golden has laid as the foundation for this program.

That's a shaky foundation...

 

[Jmhcane]

Honestly, the fewer seniors you have the better.

The elite guys aren't hanging around 4 years. If you hope to contend, you need the elite guys. Which means most of those guys are leaving school as juniors. If you have a lot of seniors on your squad, you haven't recruited well.

Way too simplistic. Miami doesn't have a dearth of senior talent because we lost them all to the draft.

Exactly, what was the point Killa?