"The Process"

[dolewhipit18]

I'm confused. Since when do we run a 3-4 defense? I've seen us run 4-3 the entire year....

LOL. Go get your eyes checked, go re-watch the games, and then see if you make this stupid statement again.

Most plays I see us with Shayon and Chick at DE, and Porter and someone else (Renfrow, Luther, etc) at DT...then we'll usually have Gaines at MLB, and Perryman and Cornelius at OLB...that would be considered a 4-3

 

[QuadCityCane]

I think some of you are over analyzing this. We just lost to Duke by almost three touchdowns. Coaching matters. We have talent right now. YES, it would be great if we had more talent, but we have enough talent to beat every team in the ACC not named FSU just on talent. What we need are coaches that can get our talented young guys ready to play and then put them in a position to make plays while telling the older "contributors" how much the team needs their sideline leadership.

In your other post you said Duke had no players that would start for us. Thats just wrong. Jeremy Cash as a sophomore is better than any player on our team. He has 91 tackles(we dont have a db with more than 31), 7.5 tackles for loss, 4 INTs, 2 FF, 4 PD. Right now I would trade every Safety we have for that kid. He made plays all over the field against us.

 

[NVA CANE]

So if Golden doesn't have the players that he's wanted, what the **** process/system does he want these guys to follow. If they're not his guys and he doesn't have the talent, and he refuses to scheme around them, what is it that he wants? Can anyone answer this question?

I don't understand the question. I probably couldn't answer it anyway.

He didn't run his system last year supposedly he ran it this year. People are saying he doesn't have the talent to run his system. Ok thats fine. If he doesn't have the talent to run his system properly, yet refuses to scheme around the talent he does have, then what is it that Al Golden wants? How does he expect to achieve success when he doesn't have the talent yet doesn't want to scheme around that talent?

Is his only answer to bring in more talent. Is that really the only way you solve a supposed talent deficiency on your team?

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I'm confused. Since when do we run a 3-4 defense? I've seen us run 4-3 the entire year....

LOL. Go get your eyes checked, go re-watch the games, and then see if you make this stupid statement again.

Most plays I see us with Shayon and Chick at DE, and Porter and someone else (Renfrow, Luther, etc) at DT...then we'll usually have Gaines at MLB, and Perryman and Cornelius at OLB...that would be considered a 4-3

Look man, I am 100% positive we run a 4-3 under, which is a hybridized defense and is essentially a 3-4. Look it up (the first tacked thread is a good start) and educate yourself.

 

[Consigliere]

So if Golden doesn't have the players that he's wanted, what the **** process/system does he want these guys to follow. If they're not his guys and he doesn't have the talent, and he refuses to scheme around them, what is it that he wants? Can anyone answer this question?

I don't understand the question. I probably couldn't answer it anyway.

He didn't run his system last year supposedly he ran it this year. People are saying he doesn't have the talent to run his system. Ok thats fine. If he doesn't have the talent to run his system properly, yet refuses to scheme around the talent he does have, then what is it that Al Golden wants?

I don't exactly know what he wants to do so I couldn't answer it anyway.

 

[QuadCityCane]

So if Golden doesn't have the players that he's wanted, what the **** process/system does he want these guys to follow. If they're not his guys and he doesn't have the talent, and he refuses to scheme around them, what is it that he wants? Can anyone answer this question?

I don't understand the question. I probably couldn't answer it anyway.

He didn't run his system last year supposedly he ran it this year. People are saying he doesn't have the talent to run his system. Ok thats fine. If he doesn't have the talent to run his system properly, yet refuses to scheme around the talent he does have, then what is it that Al Golden wants?

I don't exactly know what he wants to do so I couldn't answer it anyway.

He wants to build for the future, you know get the guys that you are building your team around like Howard, Mccord, Crawford, Bush, Jenkins, Carter, the lineman etc..used to the system.

 

[NVA CANE]

So if Golden doesn't have the players that he's wanted, what the **** process/system does he want these guys to follow. If they're not his guys and he doesn't have the talent, and he refuses to scheme around them, what is it that he wants? Can anyone answer this question?

I don't understand the question. I probably couldn't answer it anyway.

He didn't run his system last year supposedly he ran it this year. People are saying he doesn't have the talent to run his system. Ok thats fine. If he doesn't have the talent to run his system properly, yet refuses to scheme around the talent he does have, then what is it that Al Golden wants?

I don't exactly know what he wants to do so I couldn't answer it anyway.

I don't think he knows what he wants to do either. Or he doesn't have the coaching skills to figure it out.

 

[Bennubird]

Ok. Thanks. I stand corrected we missed on that Cash kid.

/The f*ck difference does that make to the overall point that UM has better talent than Duke. smh

I think some of you are over analyzing this. We just lost to Duke by almost three touchdowns. Coaching matters. We have talent right now. YES, it would be great if we had more talent, but we have enough talent to beat every team in the ACC not named FSU just on talent. What we need are coaches that can get our talented young guys ready to play and then put them in a position to make plays while telling the older "contributors" how much the team needs their sideline leadership.

In your other post you said Duke had no players that would start for us. Thats just wrong. Jeremy Cash as a sophomore is better than any player on our team. He has 91 tackles(we dont have a db with more than 31), 7.5 tackles for loss, 4 INTs, 2 FF, 4 PD. Right now I would trade every Safety we have for that kid. He made plays all over the field against us.

 

[Consigliere]

So if Golden doesn't have the players that he's wanted, what the **** process/system does he want these guys to follow. If they're not his guys and he doesn't have the talent, and he refuses to scheme around them, what is it that he wants? Can anyone answer this question?

I don't understand the question. I probably couldn't answer it anyway.

He didn't run his system last year supposedly he ran it this year. People are saying he doesn't have the talent to run his system. Ok thats fine. If he doesn't have the talent to run his system properly, yet refuses to scheme around the talent he does have, then what is it that Al Golden wants?

I don't exactly know what he wants to do so I couldn't answer it anyway.

He wants to build for the future, you know get the guys that you are building your team around like Howard, Mccord, Crawford, Bush, Jenkins, Carter, the lineman etc..used to the system.

Okay, but how does that translate to coaching? I don't question he wants to bring in talent, I question what he wants to do with it.

This isn't touch football, where players just pick a man and play. We need to run some type of defense and that defense needs to keep points of the board.

Allowing 40+ points per game to Duke and VT makes me change my depends more frequently than I like to.

 

[NVA CANE]

So if Golden doesn't have the players that he's wanted, what the **** process/system does he want these guys to follow. If they're not his guys and he doesn't have the talent, and he refuses to scheme around them, what is it that he wants? Can anyone answer this question?

I don't understand the question. I probably couldn't answer it anyway.

He didn't run his system last year supposedly he ran it this year. People are saying he doesn't have the talent to run his system. Ok thats fine. If he doesn't have the talent to run his system properly, yet refuses to scheme around the talent he does have, then what is it that Al Golden wants?

I don't exactly know what he wants to do so I couldn't answer it anyway.

He wants to build for the future, you know get the guys that you are building your team around like Howard, Mccord, Crawford, Bush, Jenkins, Carter, the lineman etc..used to the system.

Did he implement his system last year. If so then why haven't those young guys not only not improved but regressed? If he only implemented it this year (which I believe he said is the case) why did he waste a whole year not implementing his system? These are basic coaching questions.

I just want to know what Al Golden wanted to do to improve a defense you say lacks so much talent that the results of last year and this year have been acceptable or understandable.

 

[The Franchise]

I don't understand the question. I probably couldn't answer it anyway.

He didn't run his system last year supposedly he ran it this year. People are saying he doesn't have the talent to run his system. Ok thats fine. If he doesn't have the talent to run his system properly, yet refuses to scheme around the talent he does have, then what is it that Al Golden wants?

I don't exactly know what he wants to do so I couldn't answer it anyway.

He wants to build for the future, you know get the guys that you are building your team around like Howard, Mccord, Crawford, Bush, Jenkins, Carter, the lineman etc..used to the system.

Did he implement his system last year. If so then why haven't those young guys not only not improved but regressed? If he only implemented it this year (which I believe he said is the case) why did he waste a whole year not implementing his system?

I guess according to this dude's backward logic he thought he was going to win a NC last year, so he couldn't afford to try to teach the young guys the system last year and waste a year like he apparently thinks he can do this year. That's why I said early in this thread that the whole concept that this dude proposed in his original post was goofy. He's basically saying Corch Al was going to sacrifice this season because of his "process" in order to teach guys how to run his genius defense so that they'll kill with it next year.

He left out the fact that a great deal of the guys who actually play are seniors who will be gone next year. And he left out the idea that if this was Corch Al's plan he should have started the teaching process last year when we weren't going to go to a bowl game and were expected to be terrible.

 

[NVA CANE]

He didn't run his system last year supposedly he ran it this year. People are saying he doesn't have the talent to run his system. Ok thats fine. If he doesn't have the talent to run his system properly, yet refuses to scheme around the talent he does have, then what is it that Al Golden wants?

I don't exactly know what he wants to do so I couldn't answer it anyway.

He wants to build for the future, you know get the guys that you are building your team around like Howard, Mccord, Crawford, Bush, Jenkins, Carter, the lineman etc..used to the system.

Did he implement his system last year. If so then why haven't those young guys not only not improved but regressed? If he only implemented it this year (which I believe he said is the case) why did he waste a whole year not implementing his system?

I guess according to this dude's backward logic he thought he was going to win a NC last year, so he couldn't afford to try to teach the young guys the system last year and waste a year like he apparently thinks he can do this year. That's why I said early in this thread that the whole concept that this dude proposed in his original post was goofy. He's basically saying Corch Al was going to sacrifice this season because of his "process" in order to teach guys how to run his genius defense so that they'll kill with it next year.

He left out the fact that a great deal of the guys who actually play are seniors who will be gone next year. And he left out the idea that if this was Corch Al's plan he should have started the teaching process last year when we weren't going to go to a bowl game and were expected to be terrible.

I'm gonna propose this question to the board for all the its a talent issue guys. Cause I would love an answer on this question.

 

[dolewhipit18]

I'm confused. Since when do we run a 3-4 defense? I've seen us run 4-3 the entire year....

LOL. Go get your eyes checked, go re-watch the games, and then see if you make this stupid statement again.

Most plays I see us with Shayon and Chick at DE, and Porter and someone else (Renfrow, Luther, etc) at DT...then we'll usually have Gaines at MLB, and Perryman and Cornelius at OLB...that would be considered a 4-3

Look man, I am 100% positive we run a 4-3 under, which is a hybridized defense and is essentially a 3-4. Look it up (the first tacked thread is a good start) and educate yourself.

I am educated and I understand football, and yes I see how it is "essentially" a 3-4 since the last DE technically isn't a "down lineman" because he is standing up, but he ends up rushing the QB most plays anyway so in my opinion it is practically a 4-3 for all intents and purposes, minus the fact that his stance is different. I could also show you plenty of examples where we do have all 4 linemen as "down linemen". Now obviously we don't run the same exact scheme every play (there are some plays where Shayon drops into pass coverage...and I can't figure out for the life of me why), but personally I think you can just as easily say our defense is more of a 4-3 scheme than a 3-4....

 

[QuadCityCane]

Ever think that maybe he plays the seniors because they mentally understand the system better and he feels he owes it to them for practicing hard and sticking through the NCAA mess and missing bowl games. Its obvious he is building for the future by having guys like Olsen on the sidelines during away games even though he is redshirting so he can get used to the game day experience. Last year all the players that declared for the NFL didnt give them a chance to have the players bulk up in the spring to have a chance to install the defense like they did this year. You can see it in the way they approached the year from S and C. They did not want to wait another year to install the system, eventually you have to bite the bullet.

Against good teams all the deficiencies show up, Bush has been hampered by his offseason hernia so AJ has been forced to play a lot. No other choice. And he has 7 solo and 19 total tackles. For a position that is needed to support the run and cover tight ends, he is just not good. Im sure he is a smart player and knows the scheme but he is physically limited when in a position to make a play. NT is the most important position followed by linebackers. Again we have a 3rd string castoff in Renfrow trying to plug the spot. We dont have a single player with more than 4 sacks so we cant get a consistent pass rush.

Every thing they have done this year points to the future. I am not saying we are devoid of talent cause we are not, but at the most important positions we are.