"The Process"

[RaiseCane]

Once again, no matter how mediocre some of the players are on our defense, there is simply no explanation for allowing previously bad offenses to post season highs against us. There is no way that "the process" contemplates fielding historically bad defenses for the sake of long-term success, and if it does, that's foolish.

I'd say that most of the reasonable posters on here (and reasonable Miami fans) aren't quite as concerned about getting torn up by this FSU team (even though it sucks to see) because we can acknowledge that we are lacking talent at certain positions on defense while FSU has elite playmakers at several positions. However, in year 3, there is simply no explanation, other than the scheme, for why we are giving up 500+ yards to VT and Duke, 40+ points to VT and Duke, career passing games to Driskell, Price and Logan Thomas, career receiving days from Ebron, career rushing days for Duke's QB and RBs.

Again, if our scheme is not capable of taking this current set of players and not allowing those teams and players to have career games, than the scheme has to change.

 

[NVA CANE]

Yawn. Get these defensive coaches out of my face.

Year 3 and it's the same BS. No one on defense is buying into this style of play. You can tell.

And how retarded do you have to be to take So Fla talent and make them read and react vs just react.

I can't stand these Joe Pa scrubs.

This right here. Rather than work with the talent accessible to them, these clowns are force feeding their Northeast big lumbering bull**** defense on South Florida talent.

 

[QuadCityCane]

Big problem is that Golden isn't some defensive mastermind. All I'm seeing from Dorito and Golden is they need a perfect set of circumstances to field a solid defense. At Temple and Virginia you have a lot more time to build a defense. At Miami you can't **** away seasons waiting for the perfect storm of players and talent.

Golden has been a DC or HC for 13 years now. Hes been apart of 5 top 50 defenses and of those only 2 times has he fielded a top 30 defense. Both places he left Temple and Virginia were statistically better the next season.

If history is any indication we should field a top 30 defense in a couple years. I guess we have that to look forward to.

This isnt NCAA 2013 or Madden, you cant just trade away or cut every player on your team. Or create players to fit your scheme. It takes time. Chris Canty made plays in this defense, Wilkerson made plays, Ahmad Brooks was an animal(He played in 12 games, earning All-America honors after totaling a team-leading 90 tackles, with eight sacks, two INTs, 11 QB pressures and 10 tackles-for-loss). Guess what NFL players. Every top defense has them. Even Memphis with the 21st ranked scoring defense has a great DE in Martin Ifedi.

Ed Reed, ST, Vince, Vilma, DJ, Rumph, Buchanon, Morgan, Lewis, Sapp, etc would all make plays in this defense. Why? Because they are good football players.
The Temple part is funny. So the year after he leaves they go 9-4 but then 4-7 and now 1-9. So they are now back to the exact spot they were before AG got there.
Want to know why they suck again.
Temple NFL Draft Choices
Year Round Overall Name Team Position School
2012 3 84 Bernard Pierce Ravens RB Temple
2012 4 111 Evan Rodriguez Bears TE Temple
2012 5 138 Tahir Whitehead Lions OLB Temple
2011 1 30 Muhammed Wilkerson Jets DT Temple
2011 2 54 Jaiquawn Jarrett Eagles S Temple
2009 3 72 Terrance Knighton Jaguars DT Temple

Ohh look no more NFL players that AG recruited to Temple. And now they are 1-9 again.

 

[bbcane]

It's been 10yrs since we were relevant, why rush now. I am willing to wait another 2 yrs. I think we are improving slowly but surely. It seems the last few games we took steps back. I would still like to attack more, but when we due a 5'10" 4.9 40 receiver catches a go route or crossing route in man to man. Or we telegraph before hand and well you

I wait as long as showing improvement and you have got to let him flip the roster and I don't really count the 5 weeks he had for 1st recruiting class

 

[Gatorhater]

I happen to agree with much of post. Much of the whining about the D on the board refuses to acknowledge the complete lack of playmakers on the D side as result of the horrendous state of the recruiting when Shannon left. Goldens timing couldnt have been worse considering the NCAA debacle and comsidering the disruption it created in trying to fill critical positions on the already depleated D freshman class.

However, the absolute unwilliimgmess to make necessary adjustments in games in spite of gigantic failure after failure is beyond baffling and does not lend confidence. The only way i can explain it is if Golden, in exchange for his staying on board and his dozens of hours of time I know he spent with the Ad and the President working through the NCAA mess...got their agreement to stay out of they way as the pressure builds while he imposes his system over time...knowing it would be a clusterfark for a few years.

I can live with a lot. Young coaches need to learn on the job also. I don't think this d will work here, but I am not making 2 million a year. My biggest problem is that Al and Mark are just blaming the players. Over and over again, it is the players fault. It's funny, Al jumped all over Duke for a couple goal line fumbles, when the kid had only fumble one the year before. Mark and Al's defense has given up more scores than a 2 dollar hooker on Biscayne Blvd does in 10 years and all we hear is "We will fix this" or "Mark is working hard" Not even, "Man, Mark and I have been ******** up bad!" Nope it is the kids. Let me tell you, maybe Mark is overworked. Let's give him the week off and see how the defense does without him. Let DP call the plays--can it be any frigging worse?

 

[The Franchise]

Big problem is that Golden isn't some defensive mastermind. All I'm seeing from Dorito and Golden is they need a perfect set of circumstances to field a solid defense. At Temple and Virginia you have a lot more time to build a defense. At Miami you can't **** away seasons waiting for the perfect storm of players and talent.

Golden has been a DC or HC for 13 years now. Hes been apart of 5 top 50 defenses and of those only 2 times has he fielded a top 30 defense. Both places he left Temple and Virginia were statistically better the next season.

If history is any indication we should field a top 30 defense in a couple years. I guess we have that to look forward to.

This isnt NCAA 2013 or Madden, you cant just trade away or cut every player on your team. Or create players to fit your scheme. It takes time. Chris Canty made plays in this defense, Wilkerson made plays, Ahmad Brooks was an animal(He played in 12 games, earning All-America honors after totaling a team-leading 90 tackles, with eight sacks, two INTs, 11 QB pressures and 10 tackles-for-loss). Guess what NFL players. Every top defense has them. Even Memphis with the 21st ranked scoring defense has a great DE in Martin Ifedi.

Ed Reed, ST, Vince, Vilma, DJ, Rumph, Buchanon, Morgan, Lewis, Sapp, etc would all make plays in this defense. Why? Because they are good football players.
The Temple part is funny. So the year after he leaves they go 9-4 but then 4-7 and now 1-9. So they are now back to the exact spot they were before AG got there.
Want to know why they suck again.
Temple NFL Draft Choices
Year Round Overall Name Team Position School
2012 3 84 Bernard Pierce Ravens RB Temple
2012 4 111 Evan Rodriguez Bears TE Temple
2012 5 138 Tahir Whitehead Lions OLB Temple
2011 1 30 Muhammed Wilkerson Jets DT Temple
2011 2 54 Jaiquawn Jarrett Eagles S Temple
2009 3 72 Terrance Knighton Jaguars DT Temple

Ohh look no more NFL players that AG recruited to Temple. And now they are 1-9 again.

Everyone here appreciates that it's "a process". However, part of any effective process is PROGRESS. That's the sticking point with Corch Al's process here. There's been zero progress in 3 years with HIS DEFENSE. He's a defensive guy, and his defense continues to be a national embarrassment. That's not a process or progress. That's called languishing in misery.

Just because he throws the word "process" around doesn't mean he should have forever. 3 years is plenty of time to field at least a respectable defense. We're not even asking for great. We just don't want embarrassingly awful and thoroughly incompetent.

You guys can keep pounding that Temple drum. We all agree he did a nice job at Temple, and most of us are pretty sure he can do a similar job here where he wins 9 games per year, gets some guys drafted, loses to the good ACC teams like he lost to the good MAC teams, and rarely, if ever, win the ACC. While that's great at Temple, it's not great at UM. Most UM fans expect more from this program than to reach the heights that Temple reached.

 

[Bennubird]

I think some of you are over analyzing this. We just lost to Duke by almost three touchdowns. Coaching matters. We have talent right now. YES, it would be great if we had more talent, but we have enough talent to beat every team in the ACC not named FSU just on talent. What we need are coaches that can get our talented young guys ready to play and then put them in a position to make plays while telling the older "contributors" how much the team needs their sideline leadership.

 

[The Franchise]

I can live with a lot. Young coaches need to learn on the job also.

Corch Al's not really a "young" coach. Let's end that myth. He's been a HC for 8 years and was a DC for awhile before that. This isn't Kliff Kingsbury we're talking about.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I can live with a lot. Young coaches need to learn on the job also.

Corch Al's not really a "young" coach. Let's end that myth. He's been a HC for 8 years and was a DC for awhile before that. This isn't Kliff Kingsbury we're talking about.

These guys just never seem to run out of excuses. I wonder if all of these porsters live their lives making excuses like this?

 

[QuadCityCane]

Temple has a ceiling. Miami's ceiling is National Titles. He can recruit higher quality players at Miami. If Larry Coker and Gene Chizik can win a National Title, I find it hard to believe a good coach like Golden cant. Look at teams like Florida and Georgia, lose a couple good NFL type players to injury and your season sucks. We have no NFL players on defense. Our margin for error is very small.

 

[Bennubird]

Chise count me among those who is not certain Golden can win 9 games a year here. Think of how tough it was to beat that one win UNC team with the halloween moniker or how we had to come from behind at home to beat Wide Splits University or the fact that Duke without a single kid who would start at UM today just beat us by basically three TDs. Nine wins on a regular, not with this guy.

Big problem is that Golden isn't some defensive mastermind. All I'm seeing from Dorito and Golden is they need a perfect set of circumstances to field a solid defense. At Temple and Virginia you have a lot more time to build a defense. At Miami you can't **** away seasons waiting for the perfect storm of players and talent.

Golden has been a DC or HC for 13 years now. Hes been apart of 5 top 50 defenses and of those only 2 times has he fielded a top 30 defense. Both places he left Temple and Virginia were statistically better the next season.

If history is any indication we should field a top 30 defense in a couple years. I guess we have that to look forward to.

This isnt NCAA 2013 or Madden, you cant just trade away or cut every player on your team. Or create players to fit your scheme. It takes time. Chris Canty made plays in this defense, Wilkerson made plays, Ahmad Brooks was an animal(He played in 12 games, earning All-America honors after totaling a team-leading 90 tackles, with eight sacks, two INTs, 11 QB pressures and 10 tackles-for-loss). Guess what NFL players. Every top defense has them. Even Memphis with the 21st ranked scoring defense has a great DE in Martin Ifedi.

Ed Reed, ST, Vince, Vilma, DJ, Rumph, Buchanon, Morgan, Lewis, Sapp, etc would all make plays in this defense. Why? Because they are good football players.
The Temple part is funny. So the year after he leaves they go 9-4 but then 4-7 and now 1-9. So they are now back to the exact spot they were before AG got there.
Want to know why they suck again.
Temple NFL Draft Choices
Year Round Overall Name Team Position School
2012 3 84 Bernard Pierce Ravens RB Temple
2012 4 111 Evan Rodriguez Bears TE Temple
2012 5 138 Tahir Whitehead Lions OLB Temple
2011 1 30 Muhammed Wilkerson Jets DT Temple
2011 2 54 Jaiquawn Jarrett Eagles S Temple
2009 3 72 Terrance Knighton Jaguars DT Temple

Ohh look no more NFL players that AG recruited to Temple. And now they are 1-9 again.

Everyone here appreciates that it's "a process". However, part of any effective process is PROGRESS. That's the sticking point with Corch Al's process here. There's been zero progress in 3 years with HIS DEFENSE. He's a defensive guy, and his defense continues to be a national embarrassment. That's not a process or progress. That's called languishing in misery.

Just because he throws the word "process" around doesn't mean he should have forever. 3 years is plenty of time to field at least a respectable defense. We're not even asking for great. We just don't want embarrassingly awful and thoroughly incompetent.

You guys can keep pounding that Temple drum. We all agree he did a nice job at Temple, and most of us are pretty sure he can do a similar job here where he wins 9 games per year, gets some guys drafted, loses to the good ACC teams like he lost to the good MAC teams, and rarely, if ever, win the ACC. While that's great at Temple, it's not great at UM. Most UM fans expect more from this program than to reach the heights that Temple reached.

 

[dolewhipit18]

I'm confused. Since when do we run a 3-4 defense? I've seen us run 4-3 the entire year....

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I'm confused. Since when do we run a 3-4 defense? I've seen us run 4-3 the entire year....

LOL. Go get your eyes checked, go re-watch the games, and then see if you make this stupid statement again.

 

[The Franchise]

Temple has a ceiling. Miami's ceiling is National Titles. He can recruit higher quality players at Miami. If Larry Coker and Gene Chizik can win a National Title, I find it hard to believe a good coach like Golden cant. Look at teams like Florida and Georgia, lose a couple good NFL type players to injury and your season sucks.

Temple's ceiling was beating good MAC teams and winning the MAC. He did neither. He was Frank Solich's bottom bytch. Why is Ohio University's ceiling higher than Temple's? Seems like from the list of NFL guys you posted a couple minutes ago, Temple put more impact guys in the NFL than Ohio did. Better players should equal better team.

 

[NVA CANE]

So if Golden doesn't have the players that he's wanted, what the **** process/system does he want these guys to follow. If they're not his guys and he doesn't have the talent, and he refuses to scheme around them, what is it that he wants? Can anyone answer this question?

 

[Bennubird]

For some reason I assumed Gatorhater was referring to Coley and some of our position coaches rather than Golden and the DC. Anyway, I disagree with the idea of on the job training for any coach above the level of position coaches.

I can live with a lot. Young coaches need to learn on the job also.

Corch Al's not really a "young" coach. Let's end that myth. He's been a HC for 8 years and was a DC for awhile before that. This isn't Kliff Kingsbury we're talking about.

These guys just never seem to run out of excuses. I wonder if all of these porsters live their lives making excuses like this?

 

[Consigliere]

So if Golden doesn't have the players that he's wanted, what the **** process/system does he want these guys to follow. If they're not his guys and he doesn't have the talent, and he refuses to scheme around them, what is it that he wants? Can anyone answer this question?

I don't understand the question. I probably couldn't answer it anyway.

 

[supacane]

They have a pussify philosophy. No aggression. Thats why they know not when to blitz and its easily picked up. That **** is not gonna work here. 2 more years and everyone would have been onThe same page about it. It sux ***. No compcompetent DC has ever taken that long with so many upperclassmen to field and average defense. Get off the pipe. U don't tell dogs to rush gaps. U tell them go take the RB head and if the QB keep it take off his head too. Simple. Fire into the back field as quick as u can. No offense can work if DL are in the backfield. None

 

[The Franchise]

Chise count me among those who is not certain Golden can win 9 games a year here. Think of how tough it was to beat that one win UNC team with the halloween moniker or how we had to come from behind at home to beat Wide Splits University or the fact that Duke without a single kid who would start at UM today just beat us by basically three TDs. Nine wins on a regular, not with this guy.

You're probably right, Ben. But a virtual corpse could win 9 games per year at UM in this **** conference. I have no doubt that we'll get a little better as he floods the team with better players. It's nearly impossible for a good recruiter, which Corch Tin is, to not win about 9 games in the Coastal at UM. I am certain, though, that we'll never get above the UNC/GT level with the current defensive system/philosophy in place.

 

[NVA CANE]

Temple has a ceiling. Miami's ceiling is National Titles. He can recruit higher quality players at Miami. If Larry Coker and Gene Chizik can win a National Title, I find it hard to believe a good coach like Golden cant. Look at teams like Florida and Georgia, lose a couple good NFL type players to injury and your season sucks. We have no NFL players on defense. Our margin for error is very small.

You really have low expectations don't you? Larry Coker took over the greatest CFB team ever. Chizik had Cam Newton and Fairly. **** outta here with that dumb *** ****. You just exposed yourself for being a clown. Golden had better players than any MAC school he played and he still couldn't win the ******* MAC. So all that talent bull**** you are talking about means nothing because at the end of the day, Al Golden and his minion are mediocre coaches at best and couldn't deliver a MAC championship or beat a team with a winning record with superior players and a schedule that ranked in the 110 to 120 range for easiest schedule in CFB.