The overridingly simple question that I fear has it's answer

[Ispyin]

A couple things before I state it.

I like al golden, think a lot of him in many ways. I don't particularly like how psu was handled, but i don't begrudge him exploring any and every opportunity, it's the system, and in this case his school. Lot of hypocrisy here as if anyone on this board that could get a 100k raise let alone millions wouldn't at least explore it no matter how happy and dedicated they currently were to their present position. Give me a break, unless you were set for life already.

But putting that out there, here it is...

will this staff, regardless of all the well documented issues and the occasional individual player exception, ever make this team better than the sum of its parts? Or even the equal of its parts? I fear not, wish to be wrong.

Then you look at larranaga. You know as a fan for a fact that he will almost always make his team better than the sum of his parts. Lose your starting 5? No problem, he's still going to make his team put fear into the #2 team in the country, whatever happens the rest of the way today.

you can handle the ups and downs with the hoops team cause it's clear he is building teaching and making progress, regardless of score, or win-loss record.

on football side, despite improvement in win loss record, it's the opposite - you aren't sure there is real momentum (or for some of you, you're positive there isn't)

i hope that im wrong, but I sh?t you not, miami football has been more exposed by miami hoops than anything Louisville or duke did, because it's not just one game, it's the whole entire program.

Come on al, sit with Jim, sit with Pete Carroll. And adapt or die.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Good coaches adapt to their players (i.e. Larranaga being a man-to-man coach typically and going to zone this year).

Golden has clearly done the opposite.

Glad to see you finally realized this OP.

 

[Ispyin]

It's not a finally realize, it's a not go bat sht overreacting and being in denial of the facts that don't support your view. Stronger arguments when more rational and not inflammatory in every thread every time.

 

[MIA42178]

It's a talent issue though

 

[orange&green84]

I don't blame Golden for interviewing either. I blame Golden for how he handled the entire situation.

Golden also proceeded to give us BS answers regarding the interview and his interest level and could've came out and be honest that he was interested. We all knew it. He then forced statistical ranks that the defense improved on from the previous season, but conveniently forgot to mention that the schedule this past season was exponentially easier than in 2012.

To make matters worse, our offense was without a plethora of play makers for a good chunk of the year (Dorsett was lost at UNC, Duke at FSU, and Morris had a hobbled ankle throughout the season) yet still put up solid statistics. Yet, Golden points out all the 3 and outs and gives them an actual evaluation but made it sound like the defense was our strength.

 

[Ispyin]

I don't blame Golden for interviewing either. I blame Golden for how he handled the entire situation.

Golden also proceeded to give us BS answers regarding the interview and his interest level and could've came out and be honest that he was interested. We all knew it. He then forced statistical ranks that the defense improved on from the previous season, but conveniently forgot to mention that the schedule this past season was exponentially easier than in 2012.

To make matters worse, our offense was without a plethora of play makers for a good chunk of the year (Dorsett was lost at UNC, Duke at FSU, and Morris had a hobbled ankle throughout the season) yet still put up solid statistics. Yet, Golden points out all the 3 and outs and gives them an actual evaluation but made it sound like the defense was our strength.

Not to defend golden on penn state thing, but please find a press conference with any other coach ever in college football where after interviewing whether they turned down or were never offered,where they come out and admit everything that happened.

I'll wait for that link.

I laugh when people freak at typical coach speak as if they expect different.

 

[stormbrewing]

We have a trend......

 

[theEMPIRE]

...will this staff, regardless of all the well documented issues and the occasional individual player exception, ever make this team better than the sum of its parts? Or even the equal of its parts? I fear not, wish to be wrong....

I think we can all agree Coach L has done a **** respectable job in his first 2 years (i.e. UM's 1st winning record in ACC, year 1 & ACC Title in year 2), so maybe we (coaches, players & fans) can learn from their perspective after a loss to Duke going forward to play #2 Syracuse...

@CanesHoops: "Success is never final; failure is never fatal. It's courage that counts." - John Wooden #BeatCuse

I know coaching, talent, adaptation & more all apply. But so does mentality. Just sayin'... On to the next one.

 

[poncho0091]

I don't blame Golden for interviewing either. I blame Golden for how he handled the entire situation.

Golden also proceeded to give us BS answers regarding the interview and his interest level and could've came out and be honest that he was interested. We all knew it. He then forced statistical ranks that the defense improved on from the previous season, but conveniently forgot to mention that the schedule this past season was exponentially easier than in 2012.

To make matters worse, our offense was without a plethora of play makers for a good chunk of the year (Dorsett was lost at UNC, Duke at FSU, and Morris had a hobbled ankle throughout the season) yet still put up solid statistics. Yet, Golden points out all the 3 and outs and gives them an actual evaluation but made it sound like the defense was our strength.

Not to defend golden on penn state thing, but please find a press conference with any other coach ever in college football where after interviewing whether they turned down or were never offered,where they come out and admit everything that happened.

I'll wait for that link.

I laugh when people freak at typical coach speak as if they expect different.

While you're correct, the right move would have been to be open and honest in that he was interested because it was his school, but in the end wanted to be here more (even if they did turn him down). Instead he treated the fanbase as if we were too stupid to understand what was happening and ****ed off a lot of the fans while still trying to point fingers at everyone except the pink elephant in the room (our defense/ dnofrio).

In the beginning Golden seemed like the coach who cared so much about the players and had so much passion for the team (I continually think about the malcolm lewis injury), but now he's feeling the heat and rather than admit what the problem is, he's deflecting blame to everything else.

 

[Notsince1985]

Larranaga is a God. Golden is a____(fill in the blank)

 

[Kirijax]

I wish we could all just move on from this. Psychoanalyzing Golden's every squirm and burp during that whole crappy week will not bring any answers. Golden's our coach and he's working hard to finish bringing in the next class. Moving on.

 

[RiDLer80]

Watching the football team and basketball team you just get two totally different feels.

The football team seems to play down to it's competition and fold against obviously better teams.

With the basketball team you get the exact opposite feel. They're in games they shouldn't be and actually look competitive. You can see they're still building.

I feel that this past season, this program peaked under Golden with the easiest schedule we'll probably ever see.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I've said it from the first game he's coached. For better or for worse Golden is a "by the book" coach.
These types of coaches will not stray far from their plan. Paterno was like this.
Depending on the situation they inherit or find themselves in achieve success may be prolonged.

 

[RiDLer80]

I've said it from the first game he's coached. For better or for worse Golden is a "by the book" coach.
These types of coaches will not stray far from their plan. Paterno was like this.
Depending on the situation they inherit or find themselves in achieve success may be prolonged.

What are your expectations for this season?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I've said it from the first game he's coached. For better or for worse Golden is a "by the book" coach.
These types of coaches will not stray far from their plan. Paterno was like this.
Depending on the situation they inherit or find themselves in achieve success may be prolonged.

What are your expectations for this season?

Improvement.
I expect improvement across the board on defense. Secondary will be better, LBs will be better, and holding out hope that the DT class he's bringing in that includes 2 Jucos that are ready to play from day 1 will be an upgrade over the departing class. Also expecting the returning group like Kalamu, Chick, AQM to raise their level of play.

Offensively, depends of QB play. But if WIlliams can be a field general and let the skill players do their thing we should be good.
The way the schedule plays out I'm expecting the team to be hitting on all cylinders by mid season.

 

[RiDLer80]

I've said it from the first game he's coached. For better or for worse Golden is a "by the book" coach.
These types of coaches will not stray far from their plan. Paterno was like this.
Depending on the situation they inherit or find themselves in achieve success may be prolonged.

What are your expectations for this season?

Improvement.
I expect improvement across the board on defense. Secondary will be better, LBs will be better, and holding out hope that the DT class he's bringing in that includes 2 Jucos that are ready to play from day 1 will be an upgrade over the departing class. Also expecting the returning group like Kalamu, Chick, AQM to raise their level of play.

Offensively, depends of QB play. But if WIlliams can be a field general and let the skill players do their thing we should be good.
The way the schedule plays out I'm expecting the team to be hitting on all cylinders by mid season.

All things that can't be objectively measured. How convenient.

If we win 9 games or less will you call the season unsuccessful? Since you've been thumping our upward trend of wins under Golden.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I've said it from the first game he's coached. For better or for worse Golden is a "by the book" coach.
These types of coaches will not stray far from their plan. Paterno was like this.
Depending on the situation they inherit or find themselves in achieve success may be prolonged.

What are your expectations for this season?

Improvement.
I expect improvement across the board on defense. Secondary will be better, LBs will be better, and holding out hope that the DT class he's bringing in that includes 2 Jucos that are ready to play from day 1 will be an upgrade over the departing class. Also expecting the returning group like Kalamu, Chick, AQM to raise their level of play.

Offensively, depends of QB play. But if WIlliams can be a field general and let the skill players do their thing we should be good.
The way the schedule plays out I'm expecting the team to be hitting on all cylinders by mid season.

All things that can't be objectively measured. How convenient.

If we win 9 games or less will you call the season unsuccessful? Since you've been thumping our upward trend of wins under Golden.

Oh I think we win 9+.
But with you guys calling last season schedule a piece of cake and the up coming one more difficult, if we win 9 games wouldn't that be an improvement?

 

[poncho0091]

personally, I just want to feel like we're not horribly outmatched on the field. I don't care anymore if its talent or coaching, we better start looking the **** part. 3 years and none of our players have shown any real improvement imo. I find it hard to believe we have anything above 70+ scholarship players and all of them are busts or were peaked by high school.

 

[JHallCanes]

 

[RiDLer80]

I've said it from the first game he's coached. For better or for worse Golden is a "by the book" coach.
These types of coaches will not stray far from their plan. Paterno was like this.
Depending on the situation they inherit or find themselves in achieve success may be prolonged.

What are your expectations for this season?

Improvement.
I expect improvement across the board on defense. Secondary will be better, LBs will be better, and holding out hope that the DT class he's bringing in that includes 2 Jucos that are ready to play from day 1 will be an upgrade over the departing class. Also expecting the returning group like Kalamu, Chick, AQM to raise their level of play.

Offensively, depends of QB play. But if WIlliams can be a field general and let the skill players do their thing we should be good.
The way the schedule plays out I'm expecting the team to be hitting on all cylinders by mid season.

All things that can't be objectively measured. How convenient.

If we win 9 games or less will you call the season unsuccessful? Since you've been thumping our upward trend of wins under Golden.

Oh I think we win 9+.
But with you guys calling last season schedule a piece of cake and the up coming one more difficult, if we win 9 games wouldn't that be an improvement?

No.