the next 2 recruiting classes will define UM...

[canesg75]

Lotta predictions of premature evacuation by Coley and Cristobal.

Coley went from HS to non-OC OC, and all the sudden he's a proven organizer? So far, he's a recruiter.

Also i dont think Golden wants the NFL. Doesnt seem like him to me at all. Doesnt play to his strengths, either.

Both of them turned down head coaching opportunities to come here. They are both highly coveted.

Cristiobal didn't turn down a head job. In his interview with WQAM he said he interviewed for 1 (TEMPLE) and inquired on others. He didn't get offered the Temple job.

True, but he did turn down Rutgers and Pittsburgh last year

I think that's unlikely. He may have turned down their interest, but likely not a real job offer. He would have had to go through hoops to get one. Maybe he would have, but the claims that they just threw the job at him seem fanciful.

I personally knew a coach on his staff and he was offered both jobs and turned them down both. Let's just say the majority of the staff was ****ed..... The ones he was going to take and the ones who he wasn't.... Obviously for different reasons....

 

[88]

who knows how long cristobal and coley will be at UM. cristobal possibly not too long. Al has assembled an all star staff of recruiters. given what we have next year (to take a page from newberg's article) and how we close out this year, may define the next decade. the timing couldn't be perfect. some luck and genius? both. i mean, who would know cristobal would be available? no one. coley? he was. but, it all has unfolded perfectly and credit Al for being humble enough to bring them on board and know we could literally shut down south florida for the next 3 years. win games and develop talent and UM is poised for a talent infusion and run at the top not seen since 99-2002.
if we get cristobal and coley for at least 3 years, look out.

****, accidently liked this post. someone Neg him for me!

 

[Ethnicsands]

Both of them turned down head coaching opportunities to come here. They are both highly coveted.

Cristiobal didn't turn down a head job. In his interview with WQAM he said he interviewed for 1 (TEMPLE) and inquired on others. He didn't get offered the Temple job.

True, but he did turn down Rutgers and Pittsburgh last year

I think that's unlikely. He may have turned down their interest, but likely not a real job offer. He would have had to go through hoops to get one. Maybe he would have, but the claims that they just threw the job at him seem fanciful.

I personally knew a coach on his staff and he was offered both jobs and turned them down both. Let's just say the majority of the staff was ****ed..... The ones he was going to take and the ones who he wasn't.... Obviously for different reasons....

So he was just called and offered the jobs without having to actually interview for them? Maybe you heard the story right from your personal connection, and maybe they heard it right from him, but that would be a pretty dang rare situation. In most of life, you actually have to go through discussions to get offered a high profile job like the HC at a major university.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Lotta predictions of premature evacuation by Coley and Cristobal.

Coley went from HS to non-OC OC, and all the sudden he's a proven organizer? So far, he's a recruiter.

Also i dont think Golden wants the NFL. Doesnt seem like him to me at all. Doesnt play to his strengths, either.

He's an organizer by nature. No one said proven. You added that word. Let's say he's not shy about his ambition or what he plans to do.

I don't doubt that his ambition is to become a HC. I just don't understand why folks think one year as OC and he'll somehow have great HC offers thrown at him or flee to a mediocre opportunity. Maybe that's the case, but IMO he's still pretty young and proving himself as an OC will be good for his career wherever his next gig is.

 

[The Franchise]

Cristiobal didn't turn down a head job. In his interview with WQAM he said he interviewed for 1 (TEMPLE) and inquired on others. He didn't get offered the Temple job.

True, but he did turn down Rutgers and Pittsburgh last year

I think that's unlikely. He may have turned down their interest, but likely not a real job offer. He would have had to go through hoops to get one. Maybe he would have, but the claims that they just threw the job at him seem fanciful.

I personally knew a coach on his staff and he was offered both jobs and turned them down both. Let's just say the majority of the staff was ****ed..... The ones he was going to take and the ones who he wasn't.... Obviously for different reasons....

So he was just called and offered the jobs without having to actually interview for them? Maybe you heard the story right from your personal connection, and maybe they heard it right from him, but that would be a pretty dang rare situation. In most of life, you actually have to go through discussions to get offered a high profile job like the HC at a major university.

How do you know he didn't interview? I remember him being mentioned as interviewing for both of those jobs. I understand that logic would tell you if he took the time to visit with those schools, then he'd take the gigs if offered. But that's not always the case.

 

[The Franchise]

Lotta predictions of premature evacuation by Coley and Cristobal.

Coley went from HS to non-OC OC, and all the sudden he's a proven organizer? So far, he's a recruiter.

Also i dont think Golden wants the NFL. Doesnt seem like him to me at all. Doesnt play to his strengths, either.

He's an organizer by nature. No one said proven. You added that word. Let's say he's not shy about his ambition or what he plans to do.

I don't doubt that his ambition is to become a HC. I just don't understand why folks think one year as OC and he'll somehow have great HC offers thrown at him or flee to a mediocre opportunity. Maybe that's the case, but IMO he's still pretty young and proving himself as an OC will be good for his career wherever his next gig is.

Pretty sure he wanted the FIU HC gig after the Frito Bandito greased Mario, so he's shown a proclivity for a worse than mediocre opportunity.

 

[OMG618]

I'm not so sure Mario is quick to jump. He's had opportunities with Rutgers and Pitt and was lukewarm with both. There's one job he wants and it could be his in 4-5 years. Patience

 

[The Franchise]

I'm not so sure Mario is quick to jump. He's had opportunities with Rutgers and Pitt and was lukewarm with both. There's one job he wants and it could be his in 4-5 years. Patience

Exactly what I see with Mario. He's still a young guy. Why jump at another sh1tty job with some dopey AD who might vanquish you because he was having a bad mustache day? People assume Al's a lifer, but maybe he isn't. He might do some big winning here and then get that NFL itch. Did anyone think Chip Kelly fit the mold of NFL HC? Steve Spermier?

 

[Ethnicsands]

True, but he did turn down Rutgers and Pittsburgh last year

I think that's unlikely. He may have turned down their interest, but likely not a real job offer. He would have had to go through hoops to get one. Maybe he would have, but the claims that they just threw the job at him seem fanciful.

I personally knew a coach on his staff and he was offered both jobs and turned them down both. Let's just say the majority of the staff was ****ed..... The ones he was going to take and the ones who he wasn't.... Obviously for different reasons....

So he was just called and offered the jobs without having to actually interview for them? Maybe you heard the story right from your personal connection, and maybe they heard it right from him, but that would be a pretty dang rare situation. In most of life, you actually have to go through discussions to get offered a high profile job like the HC at a major university.

How do you know he didn't interview? I remember him being mentioned as interviewing for both of those jobs. I understand that logic would tell you if he took the time to visit with those schools, then he'd take the gigs if offered. But that's not always the case.

Honestly, I just don't recall him going through those processes. Maybe he took a discussion and was encouraged to go through the process. And maybe he really did and then declined when offered. But in my experience, there's usually a weeding out process around candidates seriousness about the opportunity before a process gets narrowed down, because in high profile hires you can't afford to get surprised near the finish line. On top of that, the idea that he was offered _both_ positions (Rutgers and Pitt) seems hard to imagine. Did he go through both processes sufficiently to get those offers?

I'd guess that he was told he'd be seriously considered if he wanted to throw his hat in the ring. But unless their ADs are idiots, he wasn't told 'apply and the job is yours.'

 

[Ethnicsands]

I'm not so sure Mario is quick to jump. He's had opportunities with Rutgers and Pitt and was lukewarm with both. There's one job he wants and it could be his in 4-5 years. Patience

Exactly what I see with Mario. He's still a young guy. Why jump at another sh1tty job with some dopey AD who might vanquish you because he was having a bad mustache day? People assume Al's a lifer, but maybe he isn't. He might do some big winning here and then get that NFL itch. Did anyone think Chip Kelly fit the mold of NFL HC? Steve Spermier?

I'm not claiming he might not leave. I've just said I don't think his strengths or personality remind me of JJ or Carroll (who others have mentioned). At all. The NFL is a really different gig. And I'm not sure it's a good one. JJ would have hated it except he got to have player personnel control, and when that became a headache in Dallas it wasn't a job he could live with.

AG seems to me to be more earnest, more sincere, and more emotionally connected with his kids than either JJ or Carroll, who are very much about themselves. JJ was also a very savvy defensive mind and really understood what was changing in football in the '80s--'90s. He was unique. Carroll, he jumped early and failed, so you had to know it would be on his mind to go back and succeed. I can't say AG doesn't think about that, but I don't see any particular reason to think it's where he sees himself. He seems very much like a college coach to me.

As for Spurrier, nothing surprised me about his jump. His ego is such that it made sense to him. And he's basically lazy. Lotta money, less recruiting, giant ego ... sure, why not try. Fail. Oops, find me a job near Augusta.

 

[canesg75]

True, but he did turn down Rutgers and Pittsburgh last year

I think that's unlikely. He may have turned down their interest, but likely not a real job offer. He would have had to go through hoops to get one. Maybe he would have, but the claims that they just threw the job at him seem fanciful.

I personally knew a coach on his staff and he was offered both jobs and turned them down both. Let's just say the majority of the staff was ****ed..... The ones he was going to take and the ones who he wasn't.... Obviously for different reasons....

So he was just called and offered the jobs without having to actually interview for them? Maybe you heard the story right from your personal connection, and maybe they heard it right from him, but that would be a pretty dang rare situation. In most of life, you actually have to go through discussions to get offered a high profile job like the HC at a major university.

How do you know he didn't interview? I remember him being mentioned as interviewing for both of those jobs. I understand that logic would tell you if he took the time to visit with those schools, then he'd take the gigs if offered. But that's not always the case.

Because the guy I know was told directly by Cristobal and actually had his agent approach both Universities to work out his contract because Cristobal wanted to take him with him.... Both times he interviewed and for whatever reason after the process was almost done he would have a change of heart and stay with FIU... Believe me if you want but I have nothing to gain by lying on a message board of guys I don't personally know... Just wanted to share something I knew and thought would lend something to the thread.

 

[The Franchise]

I think that's unlikely. He may have turned down their interest, but likely not a real job offer. He would have had to go through hoops to get one. Maybe he would have, but the claims that they just threw the job at him seem fanciful.

I personally knew a coach on his staff and he was offered both jobs and turned them down both. Let's just say the majority of the staff was ****ed..... The ones he was going to take and the ones who he wasn't.... Obviously for different reasons....

So he was just called and offered the jobs without having to actually interview for them? Maybe you heard the story right from your personal connection, and maybe they heard it right from him, but that would be a pretty dang rare situation. In most of life, you actually have to go through discussions to get offered a high profile job like the HC at a major university.

How do you know he didn't interview? I remember him being mentioned as interviewing for both of those jobs. I understand that logic would tell you if he took the time to visit with those schools, then he'd take the gigs if offered. But that's not always the case.

Honestly, I just don't recall him going through those processes. Maybe he took a discussion and was encouraged to go through the process. And maybe he really did and then declined when offered. But in my experience, there's usually a weeding out process around candidates seriousness about the opportunity before a process gets narrowed down, because in high profile hires you can't afford to get surprised near the finish line. On top of that, the idea that he was offered _both_ positions (Rutgers and Pitt) seems hard to imagine. Did he go through both processes sufficiently to get those offers?

I'd guess that he was told he'd be seriously considered if he wanted to throw his hat in the ring. But unless their ADs are idiots, he wasn't told 'apply and the job is yours.'

I can't comment on any specifics of the process Mario went through with Pitt and Buttgers because I am not knowledgeable enough about the details. I do, however, recall him being said to have interviewed at both schools as the process at both schools was transpiring. Whether they reported that accurately on College Football Live I have no idea.

 

[The Franchise]

I'm not so sure Mario is quick to jump. He's had opportunities with Rutgers and Pitt and was lukewarm with both. There's one job he wants and it could be his in 4-5 years. Patience

Exactly what I see with Mario. He's still a young guy. Why jump at another sh1tty job with some dopey AD who might vanquish you because he was having a bad mustache day? People assume Al's a lifer, but maybe he isn't. He might do some big winning here and then get that NFL itch. Did anyone think Chip Kelly fit the mold of NFL HC? Steve Spermier?

I'm not claiming he might not leave. I've just said I don't think his strengths or personality remind me of JJ or Carroll (who others have mentioned). At all. The NFL is a really different gig. And I'm not sure it's a good one. JJ would have hated it except he got to have player personnel control, and when that became a headache in Dallas it wasn't a job he could live with.

AG seems to me to be more earnest, more sincere, and more emotionally connected with his kids than either JJ or Carroll, who are very much about themselves. JJ was also a very savvy defensive mind and really understood what was changing in football in the '80s--'90s. He was unique. Carroll, he jumped early and failed, so you had to know it would be on his mind to go back and succeed. I can't say AG doesn't think about that, but I don't see any particular reason to think it's where he sees himself. He seems very much like a college coach to me.

As for Spurrier, nothing surprised me about his jump. His ego is such that it made sense to him. And he's basically lazy. Lotta money, less recruiting, giant ego ... sure, why not try. Fail. Oops, find me a job near Augusta.

I don't know Al, so I can't tell what his ultimate ambitions are. I share your opinion that NFL jobs aren't always a smart play. They're certainly not a long term play. I'd much rather corch at a great college for my entire career and retire a rich legend with statues of me adorning the campus than go to some NFL gig for a couple years and get run off unceremoniously for 1 bad year.

 

[The Franchise]

I think that's unlikely. He may have turned down their interest, but likely not a real job offer. He would have had to go through hoops to get one. Maybe he would have, but the claims that they just threw the job at him seem fanciful.

I personally knew a coach on his staff and he was offered both jobs and turned them down both. Let's just say the majority of the staff was ****ed..... The ones he was going to take and the ones who he wasn't.... Obviously for different reasons....

So he was just called and offered the jobs without having to actually interview for them? Maybe you heard the story right from your personal connection, and maybe they heard it right from him, but that would be a pretty dang rare situation. In most of life, you actually have to go through discussions to get offered a high profile job like the HC at a major university.

How do you know he didn't interview? I remember him being mentioned as interviewing for both of those jobs. I understand that logic would tell you if he took the time to visit with those schools, then he'd take the gigs if offered. But that's not always the case.

Because the guy I know was told directly by Cristobal and actually had his agent approach both Universities to work out his contract because Cristobal wanted to take him with him.... Both times he interviewed and for whatever reason after the process was almost done he would have a change of heart and stay with FIU... Believe me if you want but I have nothing to gain by lying on a message board of guys I don't personally know... Just wanted to share something I knew and thought would lend something to the thread.

So, you only lie to guys you know personally? Good to know.

 

[PUNCICANE]

time to change the title of this thread to "Mierda"

 

[LuCane]

Lotta predictions of premature evacuation by Coley and Cristobal.

Coley went from HS to non-OC OC, and all the sudden he's a proven organizer? So far, he's a recruiter.

Also i dont think Golden wants the NFL. Doesnt seem like him to me at all. Doesnt play to his strengths, either.

He's an organizer by nature. No one said proven. You added that word. Let's say he's not shy about his ambition or what he plans to do.

I don't doubt that his ambition is to become a HC. I just don't understand why folks think one year as OC and he'll somehow have great HC offers thrown at him or flee to a mediocre opportunity. Maybe that's the case, but IMO he's still pretty young and proving himself as an OC will be good for his career wherever his next gig is.

I said 2 years. 2 years is the expectation for him to make a jump. Guy's pretty open about what he wants to do, apparently. Works for us.

 

[jerzeycane]

Lotta predictions of premature evacuation by Coley and Cristobal.

Coley went from HS to non-OC OC, and all the sudden he's a proven organizer? So far, he's a recruiter.

Also i dont think Golden wants the NFL. Doesnt seem like him to me at all. Doesnt play to his strengths, either.

He's an organizer by nature. No one said proven. You added that word. Let's say he's not shy about his ambition or what he plans to do.

I don't doubt that his ambition is to become a HC. I just don't understand why folks think one year as OC and he'll somehow have great HC offers thrown at him or flee to a mediocre opportunity. Maybe that's the case, but IMO he's still pretty young and proving himself as an OC will be good for his career wherever his next gig is.

I said 2 years. 2 years is the expectation for him to make a jump. Guy's pretty open about what he wants to do, apparently. Works for us.

Actually kinda works out perfect for us, considering the landscape of South Florida recruiting.

 

[riceman]

I just want to enjoy the next couple of years with a solid crew, solid recruiting, and hopefully a title in there. If we get 3 years out of the coaching staff I'll be ecstatic. I just want to be able to compete, win, and not fall off the map for another 10 years. Is that too much to ask?

 

[DMoney]

Agree with Lu. Coley sees himself as a HC in two years, and is willing to go to a program like UCF to prove he can do it.

 

[BigCaneAl]

Agree with Lu. Coley sees himself as a HC in two years, and is willing to go to a program like UCF to prove he can do it.

That may be the case, but some well connected insiders at FSU posted that part if the reason Coley want to move to Miami is Family, and that he wants to start a cigar business, and his wife a bridal shop.....so TFWIW. This exact information came from two separate people connected to the existing staff up there.