The disparity of line play between Miami and the Elites

Clemson seems to be doing a really good job developing OL where they are recruiting at same level as us, but their results are crushing everyone
 

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We are recruiting top players, they just choose to go elsewhere. When we had a solid dl coach who's now at Bama they still didn't come. For offensive line the opportunity for early playing time is there but players still go elsewhere. Why?

That's not to say we haven't recruited anyone. We have signed on the OL two four stars the past two years. Previous to that not so well and we are seeing that right now. Next year SHOULD be a great improvement.

Same goes for other positions but that's for another thread.
 
Clemson seems to be doing a really good job developing OL where they are recruiting at same level as us, but their results are crushing everyone

Having an athletic QB and solid play calling to hide ure flaws go a long way.

Also their OL going against their DL in practice sure helps.
 
Having an athletic QB and solid play calling to hide ure flaws go a long way.

Also their OL going against their DL in practice sure helps.

Agree, especially on the QB play. Malik really hurts OL and 3rd down conversion rate.
 
We need to really just recruit Wisconsin OL and Samoan DL.


Don't @ me
 
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It’s a major problem that still hasn’t been properly addressed. Richt botched OL recruiting.

Why didn’t we bring guards in 2017?
 
Nope. We're not.

The sobering reality is...we're not even really close. The DL recruiting is alarming. One thing the ACC does have, is, at the top, strong DL recruiting and DL play. Clemson currently. Florida State when they were a contender had excellent DL recruiting. Even if we are to contend for the ACC Championship...DL recruiting needs to keep up.

To compete we need to get much better on both lines.
 
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Having an athletic QB and solid play calling to hide ure flaws go a long way.

Also their OL going against their DL in practice sure helps.

Clemson's OL recruiting has still been at the top of the ACC. Its just a step below nationally. But they have strong coaching up there and really develop these guys over - in some cases - five years.

Miami, while recruiting at a similar level, just doesn't have the equivalent coaching.
 
And OL and LB and K and P. We are doing a great job with WR, RB, and TE. QB looks good on paper, but if Kosi and Jarren really are worse then Rosier then we have the worst QB recruiting in the nation.

LB is going to be intriguing moving forward.

After Shaq-Pinckney-McCloud class...not recruiting any last year...Steed-Jennings-Wilder class, locally, was good, but they are 3* guys...I don't think its unfair to say only one of them really pans out as starter level material.

We are really banking on the 2019 class of Huff-Solomon-et al to be the real deal, otherwise, along with our poor DL recruiting (with potentially less-than-Kul development), we have a sub-standard front seven moving forward.
 
BR- thanks for codifying this and validating what we see on the field. Informative. And sobering as well.
 
My bro esfnyc hit it. It’s simple - OL and DL. As for DL, these elite schools typically recruit 5-6 DL per year including big 290-300 pound DTs. We, otoh, typically recruit DL that need a few years of weight room and seasoning - the elites recruit kids that are just about college ready.

Good point. I was actually going to start a thread about this but might as well put it here.

Sportscenter highlighted Auburn’s Dline vs Washington and how those beasts dominated that offensive line. They had 3 310+ pounders that can move and hold the POA, all War Daddies as I like to call them.

We have 1 DT bigger than 310 on the roster and that’s Jordan Miller. Nesta will prob get there too as he’s 300ish right now. We seem to be content getting guys in the 260-270 range and have them playing at 285-290, all 3T types that will probably be really good at penetrating but when those big lines from Clemson and the SEC are lined up in front will probably struggle.

I think you need to bring in 1 big body a class at DT so youll always be prepared for different types of offenses/injuries/busts/etc.
 
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Good point. I was actually going to start a thread about this but might as well put it here.

Sportscenter highlighted Auburn’s Dline vs Washington and how those beasts dominated that offensive line. They had 3 310+ pounders that can move and hold the POA, all War Daddies as I like to call them.

We have 1 DT bigger than 310 on the roster and that’s Jordan Miller. Nesta will prob get there too as he’s 300ish right now. We seem to be content getting guys in the 260-270 range and have them playing at 285-290, all 3T types that will probably be really good at penetrating but when those big lines from Clemson and the SEC are lined up in front will probably struggle.

I think you need to bring in 1 big body a class at DT so youll always be prepared for different types of offenses/injuries/busts/etc.

Yep. So, I just looked it up. I looked at signing classes from 2014-2018 and focused on LSU, UGA and Bama. Here is how their OL/DL breaks down...

Numbers are OL/DL.

Bama
2014 - 6/6
2015 - 5/5
2016 - 5/5
2017 - 5/4
2018 - 2/5

LSU
2014 - 2/6
2015 - 5/4
2016 - 1/7
2017 - 3/3
2018 - 2/3

UGA
2014 - 3/4
2015 - 4/8
2016 - 3/5
2017 - 5/3
2018 - 5/6

You can do further breakdowns and see that of the DL they recruited, virtually all their DTs were 300+ grown men. Same kind of deal goes for the OL - huge guys.

If you look at us, the last few years, we've signed 7/10 (OL/DL) - 2015-18. That just doesn't stack up. Need to stack chips at those positions and we haven't been doing it. To make matters worse, of those 7/10, we have a crappy hit rate.
 
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Good point. I was actually going to start a thread about this but might as well put it here.

Sportscenter highlighted Auburn’s Dline vs Washington and how those beasts dominated that offensive line. They had 3 310+ pounders that can move and hold the POA, all War Daddies as I like to call them.

We have 1 DT bigger than 310 on the roster and that’s Jordan Miller. Nesta will prob get there too as he’s 300ish right now. We seem to be content getting guys in the 260-270 range and have them playing at 285-290, all 3T types that will probably be really good at penetrating but when those big lines from Clemson and the SEC are lined up in front will probably struggle.

I think you need to bring in 1 big body a class at DT so youll always be prepared for different types of offenses/injuries/busts/etc.

...and Washington has three future pro offensive linemen (one was out - Trey Adams) and a top NFL caliber blocking TE. That Washington OL - with or without Trey Adams - is legit and of the best in the Pac12.
 
Yep. So, I just looked it up. I looked at signing classes from 2014-2018 and focused on LSU, UGA and Bama. Here is how their OL/DL breaks down...

Numbers are OL/DL.

Bama
2014 - 6/6
2015 - 5/5
2016 - 5/5
2017 - 5/4
2018 - 2/5

LSU
2014 - 2/6
2015 - 5/4
2016 - 1/7
2017 - 3/3
2018 - 2/3

UGA
2014 - 3/4
2015 - 4/8
2016 - 3/5
2017 - 5/3
2018 - 5/6

You can do further breakdowns and see that of the DL they recruited, virtually all their DTs were 300+ grown men. Same kind of deal goes for the OL - huge guys.

If you look at us, the last few years, we've signed 7/10 (OL/DL) - 2015-18. That just doesn't stack up. Need to stack chips at those positions and we haven't been doing it. To make matters worse, of those 7/10, we have a crappy hit rate.

there is a weird middle ground right now in college football...because the pro game sees more success and a higher hit rate with guys that were HS guys in say the 270-285 range that grow into the big boys versus that of the already 320+ pounder.

But certain colleges find some collegiate success with those 320+ pounders, even if they are only two down players.

IMO, its wise - as a college team - to carry 2 traditional two down nose tackle types and surround them with gap penetrators that carry their weight in the weight room. You can't overdo it, but you need the run stuffers on your team in some regard.
 
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We are recruiting top players, they just choose to go elsewhere. When we had a solid dl coach who's now at Bama they still didn't come. For offensive line the opportunity for early playing time is there but players still go elsewhere. Why?

That's not to say we haven't recruited anyone. We have signed on the OL two four stars the past two years. Previous to that not so well and we are seeing that right now. Next year SHOULD be a great improvement.

Same goes for other positions but that's for another thread.

The thing is when we had that DL coach, he didnt really recruit. He benefited off the talent here. He hit on a guy here or there but he found a decently stocked depth chart and didnt really keep it going and bailed.

Then add on top of that the head coach is only focused on offense and it shows, the level of recruiting on that side of ball is higher than defense. He let that dl coach slide and most didnt notice because one year we basically skipped recruiting linebackers, and at DB we miss our top targets tho we fill in with number of other guys.
 
LB is going to be intriguing moving forward.

After Shaq-Pinckney-McCloud class...not recruiting any last year...Steed-Jennings-Wilder class, locally, was good, but they are 3* guys...I don't think its unfair to say only one of them really pans out as starter level material.

We are really banking on the 2019 class of Huff-Solomon-et al to be the real deal, otherwise, along with our poor DL recruiting (with potentially less-than-Kul development), we have a sub-standard front seven moving forward.

Add in the bartender at safety coach and the DB coach that couldn't cover anyone so they moved him to safety and is known as the biggest bust in 49ers history and this defense is potentially looking to be real bad. Like Big 12 bad.
 
Nope. We're not.

The sobering reality is...we're not even really close. The DL recruiting is alarming. One thing the ACC does have, is, at the top, strong DL recruiting and DL play. Clemson currently. Florida State when they were a contender had excellent DL recruiting. Even if we are to contend for the ACC Championship...DL recruiting needs to keep up.

JJ's answer when asked that question...
"Back...(chuckle and a smile)...back is when we start playing for championships again (casual shrug)"

We're anywhere from a 20th ranked team to a best case scenario fringe top-10 team depending on our QB play the rest of the way.
We're in the 2nd tier boat and it's ****ing the shet out of me.
 
It’s a major problem that still hasn’t been properly addressed. Richt botched OL recruiting.

Why didn’t we bring guards in 2017?
This. We hit on almost every one in that class but only hit on Corey and Vaughn upfront. I never understood that...we offered 52 linemen that year but we took four and never pushed hard for some dudes that showed actual interest like Jordan McNair(RIP) and Nick Brahms...who I brought to the board btw. Kid went to Auburn.
 
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