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I don’t think it’s the talent on the decline. I think it has to do with the coaching or lack there of. FL HS public school coaches get paid ****. It’s hard to find a staff truly devoted to football and football alone. You can find that in Georgia, Texas, Alabama, etc. so kids that would play at Publix schools and shine and develop for 3* go private and HOPE to get 1 year.
 
gacaneaddict said:
I didn't know Hunter was from South Florida. Explains why he was such a Seminole fan.
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HIM AND cj baxter ( moved to orlando) would have more than likely played at DELRAY ATLANTIC..which would of been scary since they are a pretty good program regardless.

Hunter moved to ga for high school...its why he was a fsu guy though living up the street from uga and why deion easily flipped him. You can listen to him speak and know he isnt from the atlanta metro area. lol I think dudes girlfriend is hispanic as well.....he never changed from being a s.fla kid.
 
Tonytoetap88 said:
Calijah Kancey, Zay flowers...3 stars getting drafted high. These sites are money driven looking for eye candy. X will be another one. Look at the Nickle we wanted from Miramar/JMU. We even producing D1 Qbs now which is new for the area. Cal Qb, Bailey, Dia Bell...Lamar and Huntley Ravens...Jordan Travis 3 star. South Florida has plenty talent its just kids not competing at camps running 40s...bc of 7on7 coahes advice, plus early signing day rushing the evaluation process. If South Florida was not as good go look at the Max Preps top 25 or ask all those out of state teams that have lost to South Florida public schools.
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Memnon said:
Nobody hates South FL.

The issue you guys are having is that you're not living in reality. Yall have placed SF on this extremely high Mt. Everest size pedestal to the point that you refuse to acknowledge that there are any other players or regions that even have good Football players.

Yall act like no place else in the country should ever even be discussed. No players from any region should ever be recruited. No team can ever beat a SF team. So it becomes really funny to see yall have to win a Gold medal in mental gymnastics flipping to explain how the most superior invincible unstoppable undisputed greatest Football state with the greatest football talent that has ever existed somehow loses games to supposedly inferior talent from other regions.

D$ is as big of a SF homer as you all, yet he felt the need to make this thread, because he even has to acknowledge that there's clearly been a decline.

All anybody is saying is that, there's been a high amount of busts coming out of SF & instead always chasing after these prospects, maybe we'll make our return back to prominence by taking a page out of all the other top programs in CFB & recruit Nationally, because from a logical standpoint it would be kinda dumb not to pursue the best Football players just because they don't happen to live 15 minutes away from campus.

Yall would turn down the best player in the country if he wasn't from Broward or Miami & that's not a smart strategy for building a winning team. That's literally *** backwards & NO program does that lol.

As far as Jeremiah Smith, I stand by that 100%. He hasn't taken a snap in a game yet, so might wanna slow down on his coronation ceremony, but if he turns out the be the WR you all hope him to be, I'm sure you guys will throw him a parade. But I personally don't think he's going to be as good as you all do, but that's JMO.

Again, I don't & I think most don't hate South Florida, but the idea that SF is the only place with talent & the only place we should recruit, is just flat out not smart & an easy way for us to remain 7-5 for years to come.

National recruiting = National Championships; its really that simple.
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IT WAS THIS MOMENT I KNOW MARIO N THE CREW HAD BEATEN U TO THE GROUND LOL..

You went full on against home team . lol

I still stand ON MY YOUNG JJ PUTTING BELT TO *** ON NFL CORNERS LIKE NATE WIGGINS RIGHT NOW.

HE WAS THE EASIEST SOUTH FLORIDA PREDICTION IF ANYONE EVER SEEN HIM WALK ON GRASS.LOL

@Memnon

You the db guy look out for Kent Dobson at Miami Norland with continued development he has some high star potential.

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dycane said:
I’m not sure who is the bigger whiff by Miami, J Smith or D Cook. Both program changers.
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Devunta Freeman and Quincy Wilson.

Freeman led to D Cook....Wilson led to lost of a bunch of others as well.

We probably were the only other school with a chance at JJ but he was locked in with OSU for tiiiiiimmeeee.
 
gogeta4 said:
IT WAS THIS MOMENT I KNOW MARIO N THE CREW HAD BEATEN U TO THE GROUND LOL..

You went full on against home team . lol

I still stand ON MY YOUNG JJ PUTTING BELT TO *** ON NFL CORNERS LIKE NATE WIGGINS RIGHT NOW.

HE WAS THE EASIEST SOUTH FLORIDA PREDICTION IF ANYONE EVER SEEN HIM WALK ON GRASS.LOL

@Memnon

You the db guy look out for Kent Dobson at Miami Norland with continued development he has some high star potential.

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There hasn't been a single WR in the NFL that has done that to Nate Wiggins



But JJ has been phenomenal, no denying that.
 
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dycane said:
I’m not sure who is the bigger whiff by Miami, J Smith or D Cook. Both program changers.
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Its jj imo. I said it before he signed, if he comes to miami it would be the shift that would keep the other kids home, especially wrs..Kinda how amari cooper going to bama or pat p going to lsu led to others leaving the state too, now its shifted to osu

The timing of it is different too because dalvin could have came but our program was still terrible. If we got jj today i think its a bigger impact
 
E1k said:
He been mid?

Every time i see him he holding or getting a pi lol
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DMoney said:
Everybody knows I’m a South Florida homer. And with good reason. Miami has consistently ranked as the top city for producing NFL players, with Fort Lauderdale close behind. The region has produced 52 first rounders since 2000.

Even with the Canes struggling to recruit South Florida for much of the past two decades, our local recruits have significantly outperformed our national recruits. From 2000-2019, South Florida kids comprised 44% of Miami’s signees. But the South Florida kids represented 73% of our first rounders, 67% of our Day 2 picks and 60% of our total NFL draft picks.

Why did our national kids underperform? Budget and brand. We didn’t have the budget to win national bidding wars, and our brand was diminished by poor on-field performance. Because we couldn’t win national battles, we resorted to dumpster diving for SEC rejects, “blue-chip” kids plummeting down the rankings, and character concerns. This led to an inordinate amount of national busts. Despite all the hurdles in South Florida, we at least had the local angle and more brand awareness.

But things started changing in the new decade. For starters, the highly touted local crops from 2020-2022 have underperformed. Here are the Top 10 South Florida recruits (per 247 Composite) for those classes:

2020

1. DE Donnell Harris- Transferred from Texas A&M with 4 career tackles. Appears to be out of football.
2. WR Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint- 1,028 career yards over four seasons at Georgia. Undrafted.
3. LB Derek Wingo- Entering Year 5 at Florida, has yet to exceed 25 tackles in a season.
4. WR Xzavier Henderson- Transferred to Cincinnati. 782 yards and 3 TDs last year.
5. RB Jaylan Knighton- Transferred to SMU. 745 rushing yards and 7 TDs last year.
6. OT Marcus Dumervil- Transferred to Maryland. Played four games last year.
7. RB Donald Chaney- Transferred to Louisville. Career-high 478 yards last year.
8. WR Thaiu Jones-Bell- Four career catches at Alabama. Entered Portal but has not announced destination.
9. OT Issiah Walker- Signed with Florida, transferred to Miami and then went JUCO. Was NCJAA All-American and is now at Texas State.
10. WR Bryan Robinson- Transferred to Marshall. Four catches last year.

2021

1. DE Dallas Turner- First round pick of the Vikings.
2. DT Leonard Taylor- Undrafted. Six career sacks.
3. S James Williams- Seventh round pick of the Titans. 73 tackles as a junior.
4. LB Terrence Lewis- Signed with Maryland, transferred to UCF, now at JUCO. One career tackle.
5. WR JaCorey Brooks- Transferred to Louisville. Three catches for 30 yards last year at Alabama.
6. CB Jason Marshall- Entering his fourth year at Florida. Two career INTs.
7. DL Tyreak Sapp- Rotational player. 24 tackles, 4.5 TFLs and 2 sacks last year.
8. CB Corey Collier- Two career tackles. Now at Florida A&M.
9. OG Marcus Tate- Entering his fourth year as a starter for Clemson.
10. WR Romello Brinson- Transferred to SMU. 431 yards and 2 TDs last year.

2022

1. DL Shemar Stewart- 23 tackles, 3.5 TFLs and 1.5 sacks last year.
2. DE Marvin Jones, Jr.- Transferred to Florida State. Four tackles last year.
3. DE Kenyatta Jackson- Nine career tackles.
4. DE Nyjalik Kelly- Transferred to UCF. Four career sacks.
5. CB Earl Little- Transferred to Florida State. One career tackle.
6. OL Julian Armella- Has yet to break OL rotation. Played in six blowouts last year.
7. LB Wesley Bissainthe- Starter at LB. 44 tackles, 6.5 TFLs and 2 sacks last year.
8. CB Jacolby Spells- Rotational CB, injury has 2024 season in doubt.
9. CB Trevell Mullen- Transferred to James Madison, didn’t play any snaps.
10. WR Bugs Mortimer- Dealt with off-field issues, now at Western Michigan.

The NFL Draft reflects this downturn. From 2018-2023, there were an average of six South Florida kids picked on the first two days of the draft (2.66 first round, 3.333 second/third round). Last year, there was only one first rounder (Dallas Turner) and one Day 2 pick (Kam Kinchens), the latter of whom was the second-to-last pick of the third round. ESPN’s 2025 Mock Draft does not include any South Florida players in the first round.

The Class of 2025 falls in line with this trend. This year’s crop was as unimpressive as I can remember on the camp circuit. There is not a single local player is Top 75 on the Composite.

The good news for the Canes is that this local downturn has coincided with unexpected changes in our national recruiting. Simply put, we’re spending money like we’ve never spent before. We spent $8 million a year on an elite national recruiter in Mario Cristobal. And our official NIL collective (Canes Connection) has allowed us to win bag wars. We finally have the budget to recruit nationally. We don't have to bargain shop anymore.

This shows up in our newfound ability to win big-time battles. In the 10 years before Mario, we only signed eight Top 100 players from out of state: Raphael Kirby, Al-Quadin Muhammad, Kevin Olsen, Brad Kaaya, Jeff Thomas, DJ Johnson, Brevin Jordan and Jarren Williams. They ranked 78th nationally, on average.

In the 3.5 years since Mario has been here, we’ve already matched that number (8) with much higher quality- an average ranking of 48th nationally. This includes three five stars. We've landed blue-chippers from Hawaii, American Samoa, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Indiana, Alabama and Ohio. No state is off limits for Mario and this staff.

And the news isn’t all bad in South Florida. Mario flipped Mark Fletcher and Jordan Lyle from Ohio State, beat out Nick Saban for Damari Brown and has shut out Florida and FSU. The region has produced some major impact players in the last two classes, including #1 overall player Jeremiah Smith and Freshman All-American Rueben Bain. Some of the most productive college players entering the '25 season are local, including DEs Ashton Gillotte (Louisville), DE Patrick Payton (FSU), DE Elijah Roberts (SMU), WR Xavier Restrepo (Miami), CB Ricardo Hallman (Wisconsin) and Bain. The 2022 kids can still break out, and the 26-27 classes have a lot of hype.

But the bottom line is we are lucky the budget exploded when it did. There has never been a more important time to break through nationally.
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Crazy to think the best player in college football right now is from S. FL.
 
South Fl does not have a talent or player issue, Coaching? perhaps but pure talent give me a ******* break we are still RICH with that down here.
 
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