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The Decline of South Florida

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Memnon said:
Georgia & Texas have enough talent to literally never leave their State for a single player in any class, but yet they both recruit Nationally.

That's pretty much the end of the discussion as far as I'm concerned.
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The stipend for a Florida HC is roughly 4500-5500. LOL

Coach Macho said:
The stipend for a Florida HC is roughly 4500-5500. LOL
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I was about to say u can add up the entire coaching staffs salary of the top 5 programs in south florida and it wont equal up to the amount that the bottom hc in ga makes alone.
 
gogeta4 said:
The stipend for a Florida HC is roughly 4500-5500. LOL



I was about to say u can add up the entire coaching staffs salary of the top 5 programs in south florida and it wont equal up to the amount that the bottom hc in ga makes alone.
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I'm this close bruh...

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If the state don't pass this minimum wage coaching bill I'm out!
 
Coach Macho said:
The stipend for a Florida HC is roughly 4500-5500. LOL
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Thats crazy. In Savannah stipends for BBall, Volleyball and a few of the other "larger" roster sports is $3750. Some small schools will have a Head Coach for Varsity be the asst for JV and then the JV head coach be the varsity assistant. They both then can make about $5000-5500
 
gogeta4 said:
The only problem FULLY to this argument is.........

THE SAME SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN GOOD IN FOOTBALL MY WHOLE LIFE ...30+ YEARS.......

ARE THE SAME SCHOOLS IN MIAMI DADE THAT REMAIN GOOD.

Of course some families have relocated from south florida....hence you have the Travis Hunters (boynton- Atlanta area) CJ Baxter (BOYNTON-Orlando)

But there also have been some moving in to the area...kind of balancing it out a bit.

Miami central may have 4 or 5 Rhode Island kids on roster, kid from mobile. MiamI Edison has had some LA kids the last 2 or 3 years

The canadians have been coming down to play for awhile and most of them end up div 1 guys. (Orlando Franklin, etc)

They have even have my country Bahamian athletes come over ...a bunch of em was on Norlands team last year hat went to states.

I really think its Palm Beach County that has been laggin and seeing the population issue occur. The 561 use to have a fair share of elite talents coming out of the much to the north in riviera beach and almost yearly we dont even check the area for elite talents on this board
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I dont think it will effect the sfla hs football hierarchy but i think it for sure effects the level of players we use to having down here
 
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gogeta4 said:
The only problem FULLY to this argument is.........

THE SAME SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN GOOD IN FOOTBALL MY WHOLE LIFE ...30+ YEARS.......

ARE THE SAME SCHOOLS IN MIAMI DADE THAT REMAIN GOOD.

Of course some families have relocated from south florida....hence you have the Travis Hunters (boynton- Atlanta area) CJ Baxter (BOYNTON-Orlando)

But there also have been some moving in to the area...kind of balancing it out a bit.

Miami central may have 4 or 5 Rhode Island kids on roster, kid from mobile. MiamI Edison has had some LA kids the last 2 or 3 years

The canadians have been coming down to play for awhile and most of them end up div 1 guys. (Orlando Franklin, etc)

They have even have my country Bahamian athletes come over ...a bunch of em was on Norlands team last year hat went to states.

I really think its Palm Beach County that has been laggin and seeing the population issue occur. The 561 use to have a fair share of elite talents coming out of the much to the north in riviera beach and almost yearly we dont even check the area for elite talents on this board
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Those schools will more than likely always dominate at the local and state level. But we not getting those national Day 1 studs on the regular like in the past.

It'll become really apparent in a few years. There's also a School Choice element at play as well. Some of these powerhouse High Schools will have enrollments of less than 500 students by next year.

A big part of football in South Florida was that community foundation. I'm not saying it isn't there anymore -- it still is --but as the cookouts become less and less and the kids are choosing to go to Academia Charter Miami over Holmes Elementary ... we'll continue to cede ground.

You do raise an great and interesting point of the transplants coming from elsewhere. But we all know ain't nothing like them homegrown kids.
 
DTP said:
You guys want to know a secret? Our best teams have always recruited nationally. We only got stuck in this “local recruiting only” mess because the costs involved with recruiting nationally got out of hand and our athletic department didn’t want to spend money on flying back and forth across the country dozens of times. You know why we ignored other areas of the country? Because we didn’t want to spend the money required to recruit there. That’s where the whole “south Florida three stars” argument came from. Have some under the radar local kids slipped through the cracks? Yeah of course but it’s not as likely these days with recruiting services and scouting at an all time high. We’re not going to pull a ton of hidden gems out of Dade county like you could in 1993. Everyone knows about these guys now. We can’t just rely on getting local guys who somehow got ignored by Alabama and Ohio State
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Money is the issue, but it wasn't that we didn't want to pay for flights. It's that we: (1) weren't allowed to pay players; (2) didn't have national credibility due to years of failure; and (3) didn't spend the money to hire a coach with a national brand.

We signed a lot of national kids. They just sucked. They were leftovers. And they were routinely outperformed by local kids, both the ones we signed and the ones we turned down.

With Cristobal, we can pay players. We are also paying a coach with national recognition and elite recruiting chops. That's why we're winning battles. An out-of-state kid is always a tougher evaluation due to the distance, but it's easier when you are recruiting no-doubter kids like Mauigoa.
 
DMoney said:
Money is the issue, but it wasn't that we didn't want to pay for flights. It's that we: (1) weren't allowed to pay players; (2) didn't have national credibility due to years of failure; and (3) didn't spend the money to hire a coach with a national brand.

We signed a lot of national kids. They just sucked. They were leftovers. And they were routinely outperformed by local kids, both the ones we signed and the ones we turned down.

With Cristobal, we can pay players. We are also paying a coach with national recognition and elite recruiting chops. That's why we're winning battles. An out-of-state kid is always a tougher evaluation due to the distance, but it's easier when you are recruiting no-doubter kids like Mauigoa.
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Obviously having the money to pay players makes all the difference in the world but the basics of recruiting a player on the other side of the country were beyond our budget. How many kids from west of the Mississippi did we sign annually? Two? Three? We weren’t flying coaches out to California multiple times to scout some mid-4 star prospect and meet with family and watch games when it was just cheaper to focus on a guy here locally that we didn’t have to travel to scout and could invite in campus multiple times without having to pay for flights or hotels or anything.

We were pretending to be a p5 (or P4 now) powerhouse but were recruiting like a mid tier P5 team.

****, one of the main reasons why we kept putting guys in the league even after falling off was that we’d always get a handful of local kids by default. Look at the kids we’ve had drafted in the first three rounds over the last decade. Every single one besides Jaelan Phillips and David Njoku were all local kids. Our best players have all been local kids, it’s the out of town kids that we’ve dropped the ball on and I 100% believe that’s because we didn’t budget enough to properly evaluate them.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
The Black population has drastically decreased in Miami-Dade.

It's too expensive to live here and many families are relocating to Tennessee, NC, Texas, and Georgia where the cost of living is more manageable, and it's no coincidence those schools are beginning to reap the benefits of the demographic shift.

USC has been facing a similar dilemma in LA County.

Mario, very wisely, has expanded the recruiting map for this reason among other things.
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All of this is happening.

My only bone to pick would be saying the cost of living in Texas is more manageable. That depends bigly on where you're talking about.
 
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E1k said:
I dont think it will effect the sfla hs football hierarchy but i think it for sure effects the level of players we use to having down here
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Got ya.

Good thing to track.

For me I think we are seeing a cycle.

There is a lot of young talent that is big time and coming down the pile..Mario must of offered at least 4 or 5 7th or 8th graders already. Lol
 
DTP said:
Obviously having the money to pay players makes all the difference in the world but the basics of recruiting a player on the other side of the country were beyond our budget. How many kids from west of the Mississippi did we sign annually? Two? Three? We weren’t flying coaches out to California multiple times to scout some mid-4 star prospect and meet with family and watch games when it was just cheaper to focus on a guy here locally that we didn’t have to travel to scout and could invite in campus multiple times without having to pay for flights or hotels or anything.

We were pretending to be a p5 (or P4 now) powerhouse but were recruiting like a mid tier P5 team.

****, one of the main reasons why we kept putting guys in the league even after falling off was that we’d always get a handful of local kids by default. Look at the kids we’ve had drafted in the first three rounds over the last decade. Every single one besides Jaelan Phillips and David Njoku were all local kids. Our best players have all been local kids, it’s the out of town kids that we’ve dropped the ball on and I 100% believe that’s because we didn’t budget enough to properly evaluate them.
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Aww man it's almost like something I've said consistently. Great minds think alike.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
And that’s why kids act like that cause they themselves do not know when they will ever have that level of clout/attention again. So they might as well take advantage of it, can’t blame them sometimes.
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That's where parents should step in to ground them. Unfortunately, many of the parents are as immature as the kids. Or worse.
 
canes461 said:
That's where parents should step in to ground them. Unfortunately, many of the parents are as immature as the kids. Or worse.
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Yea but if you know you aren’t as good and would get that attention again you bank now and get the max you can get cause you might not see it again
 
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I made a post last year or year before that it wasnt so much South Florida decline, but the higher ranked south florida recruits were busting at highe rate. They get pampered more, they have become bigger divas, I wonder if some of that work ethic and grind has slowed with the money and fame they are now getting in high school.

Its the under recruited South Florida guys that are starting to become the hits around College football. The guys that have talent, but a chip. Lesser recruited guys.

-Issac Brown
-OJ Frederique
-Cedrick Bailey

All look like stars, and all 3 star recruits.

We got one, but we need more intense evals to not let gamebreakers that can be yours get away.

-Restrepo also should be in this group. One of best WRs ever at Miami, 3 star guy.
 
gacaneaddict said:
I made a post last year or year before that it wasnt so much South Florida decline, but the higher ranked south florida recruits were busting at highe rate. They get pampered more, they have become bigger divas, I wonder if some of that work ethic and grind has slowed with the money and fame they are now getting in high school.

Its the under recruited South Florida guys that are starting to become the hits around College football. The guys that have talent, but a chip. Lesser recruited guys.

-Issac Brown
-OJ Frederique
-Cedrick Bailey

All look like stars, and all 3 star recruits.

We got one, but we need more intense evals to not let gamebreakers that can be yours get away.

-Restrepo also should be in this group. One of best WRs ever at Miami, 3 star guy.
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Great take. OJ, Xavier Lucas, and Shivers were all 3* kids and they are all ranked in the top 10 PFF for True Freshman. **** even Mario missed on Shivers and Lucas. Its just so **** hard evaluating kids down here sometimes. But Mario slow-played Lucas and it came back to bite us in the end.
 
Jeremiah Smith a 5 star freshman looking like a five star freshman.

Xavier Restrepo, Jacorey Brooks, Jayden Higgins and if you want to include Travis Hunter as a south florida kid along with Jeremiah would give you 5 of the top 25 wrs in the country( not counting the Malik Rutherfords 50+catches, Xavier Henderson 50+ caytches, Jacolby George 5tds. Ill save you the time there isnt an area producing em like this

Guys like Brashard Smith and Isaac Brown are the most explosive rbs in the COUNTRY.

You would be hard pressed to finsd a better freshman cb than OJ da Juicemen.

CJ Bailey is starting an appearing to be a year advanced, Mendoza out at cal, Keyone Jenkins ACTUALLY PERFORMS SOLIDLY AT fiu at qb as well

Like i stated the decline of south florida is/was over stated.
 
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