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2023 The books are cooked and the star system is a complete a joke.

There is some Star inflation these days compared to like the early 2000s.

But it’s still a really good baseline that correlates to winning.

Really, there probably needs to be an additional star or two added.
The difference between a kid with a .89 ranking and a .97 ranking is huge in terms of hit rate. But both are just 4* kids.
 
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Which is also why man need to allow our staff to do proper scouting. Plenty of busts go to UGA and Bama etc. They recruit so many of them that people act all their players pan out. I never heard or seen Wayne anything other than a 5 star. Bro, man fell to #41.
 
Liberty City El said:
https://www.canesinsight.com/thread...gs-biggest-risers-fallers.129832/post-3221626

- Jan 2018
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Might get negged for this, but upon going back to that thread and a few others...247 has been right more often than not. Most of the guys we perceived as better than their rating suggested...weren't. Just like most fanbases (although we're guilty of it a ton, namely the infamous S.FLA three-star is better than everyone else's four star), we overvalue most of our recruits.

Now, that's due to a myriad of factors, most importantly - development. For fifteen or so years, we've undergone the same deal: grab some players, say they're better than their ranking, and they either fizzle out or aren't developed properly.

That shouldn't be a problem under Mario and his elite staff, who have a plethora of examples regarding successful growth in college, across a multitude of positions.

I'm actually glad that this outrage concerning Wayne is occurring now, because these sites used to drop our recruits' rankings due (in part) to their opinions of the staff and whether they could successfully draw forth x player's full potential. Again, Mario's staff has so many examples of successful development, you really can't use this argument anymore. Plus, these rankings aren't set in stone - I believe they change two more times before ESD (although not totally sure on that part). At least this noise is loud enough that it's drawing attention on social media, and these recruiting websites will have to think about it going forward.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
Might get negged for this, but upon going back to that thread and a few others...247 has been right more often than not. Most of the guys we perceived as better than their rating suggested...weren't. Just like most fanbases (although we're guilty of it a ton, namely the infamous S.FLA three-star is better than everyone else's four star), we overvalue most of our recruits.

Now, that's due to a myriad of factors, most importantly - development. For fifteen or so years, we've undergone the same deal: grab some players, say they're better than their ranking, and they either fizzle out or aren't developed properly.

That shouldn't be a problem under Mario and his elite staff, who have a plethora of examples regarding successful growth in college, across a multitude of positions.

I'm actually glad that this outrage concerning Wayne is occurring now, because these sites used to drop our recruits' rankings due (in part) to their opinions of the staff and whether they could successfully draw forth x player's full potential. Again, Mario's staff has so many examples of successful development, you really can't use this argument anymore. Plus, these rankings aren't set in stone - I believe they change two more times before ESD (although not totally sure on that part). At least this noise is loud enough that it's drawing attention on social media, and these recruiting websites will have to think about it going forward.
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I don't care how they rate man but when players rankings fall soon as they commit to a school, thats something else. I never paid attention to it till tonight.

Also it matters, the kids care about these rankings when deciding which teams they are gonna go to.
 
supacane said:
I don't care how they rate man but when players rankings fall soon as they commit to a school, thats something else. I never paid attention to it till tonight.

Also it matters, the kids care about these rankings when deciding which teams they are gonna go to.
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Agreed, the timing was so suspect today that it's hard to ignore. I'm sure they'll be extremely cautious of that going forward...and if Wayne produces at IMG he **** sure will get that fifth star back quick af.
 
That blows my mind but not surprised. Not fair to the kid and disrespectful to the staff and kid both. Never see that when a commit goes to the SEC BOYS. But I suppose what does not kill you makes you stronger. Use as fuel and kick some a$$ this year. Maybe then it will stop
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
There are now 399 kids ranked 5 and 4-star by 247. I kid you not. This is not a drill. They keep raising it.

There are 37 5-stars and 362 4-stars.

Think about that. If these ranking ever went chalk and were actually right, the entire first round of the NFL draft all the way through the 5th pick of the second round would all be former 5-stars.

But the 4-stars are were the most corruption occurs. Again, there are 362 4-stars. 362!!! And there are about 262~ TOTAL picks in the NFL draft. And think about how irrelevant the last two rounds are. That means that once the 5-stars are taken in the first and top of the second round, there are only 225 picks that remain in the entire NFL draft. That means that, again, if the rankers were correct, and the draft went chalk, 137 4-stars... WHO LIVED UP TO THEIR RATING, AS IN WERE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE TOP 399 KIDS IN THEIR CLASS, would go undrafted!

So the ratings services are telling you that the 38th best player in the NFL draft (early 2nd rounder and instant multi-millionaire) and the 137th best undrafted free agent, who will be lucky to make a practice squad, ARE BOTH 4-STARS!!

It's a joke. They flood the market with 4-stars (and 5-stars for that matter), and then when they hit on one out of four, they crow about it.

And here’s is 2020 NFL Draft breakdown by stars, according to 247Sports.com:
  • Five-star: 19
  • Four-star: 73
  • Three-star: 110
  • Two-star: 32
  • Not Ranked: 21
Only 19 of the 37 5-stars were even DRAFTED!! And they only went 73 for 225 with the 4-stars, but they had 362 chances!

Here is the 2019 first round breakdown btw:
  • 5-stars: 6
  • 4-stars: 15
  • 3-stars: 10
  • 2-stars: 0
  • 1-star: 0
  • Unranked: 1
LOL. They went 5 for 32.

Now, yes, there is of COURSE a correlation between rankings and talent. But as I've said, your near-blind grandmother can point out the 5-stars and most of the top 100 kids on the field and be as right as these wannabe fake scouts. The coaches and talent guys who are actually good at their jobs (and are paid by teams to do them) can tell you the massive game-changing difference between #50 and #350. They don't pile them all together and pray.

Look, this is all entertainment, I get that. And we need to go by SOMETHING when we BS about these kids. Fine, so use the scores. 247 gives a composite 1-100 score on each player.

For example, Malik Muhammad, CB from Dallas has a rating of .9835 while Dylan Edwards, RB from Derby, KS has a rating of .8903 and yes, as you can guess, they are both 4-stars, even with a massive gap in their ratings.

So yeah, one school gets 10 4-stars in the top 100 (mostly projected first three round picks), and another get 10 guys in the top 400 (all projected UFA's) and people point to them as comparable. No.

And yeah, even though these scores are created by 1099 guys who aren't qualified to coach JV girls football or write about sports for a real outlet, if you must give them some credence, don't talk to me about stars.

Me? I look at the OFFERS. Because those are handed out by professional football people.

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While I agree with much of what you are trying to get across as far as the accuracy of the ratings overall, I'm going to have to disagree with you on your statement regarding 5 stars. You say that if these ratings were accurate then the entire 1st round and 1st 5 picks of round 2 would be taken by these players and that makes no sense to me. It's a long way from High School to the NFL and players who are considered 5 stars in high school and in terms of college potential won't necessarily be considered 1st round picks in the NFL. There is a lot that happens between signing day and draft day. There are too many factors that come into play like injury, development or lack thereof, system fit, maybe the player peaked in high school or maybe the 17 year old 5 star doesn't posses the maturity to justify being a 1st rounder. It doesn't matter how "accurate" the star system is, you could never expect things to stay the same in terms of potential desirability to the NFL for those 37 players after going through a crucible like the college football experience. You could say the same for 4 stars. When you consider how many high school football teams and players there are across the country, I don't think 362 4 stars is so unreasonable. Just my 2 cents.
 
247 is corrupt only peddling to the SEC primarily and BIG state schools secondarily. Gaby and David - joke. On3 is even worse. How Ferman and Shodell have jobs is mind blowing.
 
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We need to keep hammering the 247 crew on Twitter. Mario/Rad/Frenk/etc. have already helped reverse years of injustices and failures. Now we need to go after the recruiting services for their hand in our years of suffering.

We should relentlessly attack their professional credibility and pocketbooks.
 
247Sports is a joke. Just look at our most recent commitment from Jayden Wayne. They don't even have him as a 5-star. He's a 4-star under their rating,

What takes nerve is that they ranked him as a 4-star, but then put out articles with the headlines of "5-star Jayden Wayne." I think that's some shady BS. If they don't believe he's a 5-star, then they shouldn't create click bait headlines even if the composite is 5-star.
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Video: Watch 5-star Jayden Wayne commit to Miami

Watch footage of Jayden Wayne giving his pledge to the Hurricanes.
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Twitter Reacts: Five-star DL Jayden Wayne commits to Miami

Social media exploded with excitement when five-star Jayden Wayne committed to Miami.
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The commitment of 5-star Jayden Wayne puts Miami in elite company with line of scrimmage recruiting

Miami now has a commitment from a five-star offensive lineman and a five-star defensive lineman in the same recruiting class. That combination is more rare than you think.
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
There are now 399 kids ranked 5 and 4-star by 247. I kid you not. This is not a drill. They keep raising it.

There are 37 5-stars and 362 4-stars.

Think about that. If these ranking ever went chalk and were actually right, the entire first round of the NFL draft all the way through the 5th pick of the second round would all be former 5-stars.

But the 4-stars are were the most corruption occurs. Again, there are 362 4-stars. 362!!! And there are about 262~ TOTAL picks in the NFL draft. And think about how irrelevant the last two rounds are. That means that once the 5-stars are taken in the first and top of the second round, there are only 225 picks that remain in the entire NFL draft. That means that, again, if the rankers were correct, and the draft went chalk, 137 4-stars... WHO LIVED UP TO THEIR RATING, AS IN WERE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE TOP 399 KIDS IN THEIR CLASS, would go undrafted!

So the ratings services are telling you that the 38th best player in the NFL draft (early 2nd rounder and instant multi-millionaire) and the 137th best undrafted free agent, who will be lucky to make a practice squad, ARE BOTH 4-STARS!!

It's a joke. They flood the market with 4-stars (and 5-stars for that matter), and then when they hit on one out of four, they crow about it.

And here’s is 2020 NFL Draft breakdown by stars, according to 247Sports.com:
  • Five-star: 19
  • Four-star: 73
  • Three-star: 110
  • Two-star: 32
  • Not Ranked: 21
Only 19 of the 37 5-stars were even DRAFTED!! And they only went 73 for 225 with the 4-stars, but they had 362 chances!

Here is the 2019 first round breakdown btw:
  • 5-stars: 6
  • 4-stars: 15
  • 3-stars: 10k
  • 2-stars: 0
  • 1-star: 0
  • Unranked: 1
LOL. They went 5 for 32.

Now, yes, there is of COURSE a correlation between rankings and talent. But as I've said, your near-blind grandmother can point out the 5-stars and most of the top 100 kids on the field and be as right as these wannabe fake scouts. The coaches and talent guys who are actually good at their jobs (and are paid by teams to do them) can tell you the massive game-changing difference between #50 and #350. They don't pile them all together and pray.

Look, this is all entertainment, I get that. And we need to go by SOMETHING when we BS about these kids. Fine, so use the scores. 247 gives a composite 1-100 score on each player.

For example, Malik Muhammad, CB from Dallas has a rating of .9835 while Dylan Edwards, RB from Derby, KS has a rating of .8903 and yes, as you can guess, they are both 4-stars, even with a massive gap in their ratings.

So yeah, one school gets 10 4-stars in the top 100 (mostly projected first three round picks), and another get 10 guys in the top 400 (all projected UFA's) and people point to them as comparable. No.

And yeah, even though these scores are created by 1099 guys who aren't qualified to coach JV girls football or write about sports for a real outlet, if you must give them some credence, don't talk to me about stars.

Me? I look at the OFFERS. Because those are handed out by professional football people.

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Allow me to point out that every one of these players won't leave for the draft in 3 years. The 3-5 year window could theoretically allow all these players to be drafted. Having 400 4+ star players is obnoxious though I agree.
 
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Rivals is the only publication that has him as a 5 star, so it makes sense.
 
Not even trying to be subtle at this point lol

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Miami needs more subscribers to 247. They always throw bones to their biggest money makers.
 
WestEndzone said:
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5 star = 1st round
4 star = NFL player
3 star = solid college player

by that model the school a kid chooses to play at should absolutely have some influence on his ranking.

i think the JW situation really was a technical issue.
 
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