The Bank (4/27)

[Ghandi]

Portal + Talent + Character is going to be a high bar for the most part.

Not that I disagree, but those three severely shrink your pool and also put you in direct competition with programs who are much closer to winning and thus willing to spend more.

I hope Miami’s got the financial support to swim on that end of the pool.

 

[mossmadness]

- Miami is emphasizing character in the Portal. They want talent, but they want talent without headaches- Akheem Mesidor, Francisco Mauigoia, Matt Lee and Javion Cohen are examples of what they are looking for. Josh Farmer of FSU was a kid they liked, but they did not want to play negotiation games. Farmer ended up squeezing FSU for $440,000.

That just sounds like poor people problems.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Yeah but the PAC 12 sucks that’s why Mario won it so easy… or at least that’s why everyone says

On the flip side, “any competent coach could lead Miami to the ACC championship with the talent we’ve had”….or let’s be happy to win 6 games against these juggernauts…

 

[Angry Ibis]

Portal + Talent + Character is going to be a high bar for the most part.

Not that I disagree, but those three severely shrink your pool and also put you in direct competition with programs who are much closer to winning and thus willing to spend more.

I hope Miami’s got the financial support to swim on that end of the pool.

When some of us said we want Mario to live in the gray, we were thinking back channeling, not this…

 

[Canes2082]

On the flip side, “any competent coach could lead Miami to the ACC championship with the talent we’ve had”….or let’s be happy to win 6 games against these juggernauts…

Do we have the talent? Or have we had the talent? I mean I’m just taking a look to see where a transfer guys go and none of them are going to big schools

 

[mossmadness]

There’s very few high end, non-JAGs in the portal.

And we are requiring them to be members of the PTA and have credit scores higher than my zip code?

 

[Angry Ibis]

Do we have the talent? Or have we had the talent? I mean I’m just taking a look to see where a transfer guys go and none of them are going to big schools

We were told we had the talent when we had the coach we did not like…

Now it’s a 5 year rebuild… acquire the talent. The same deficiencies exist from December of 2021. Some of it is rebuild, some of it is absurd.

 

[BS85]

"Miami is going to be very aggressive in the portal"

 

[DMoney]

Let’s see what it looks like when the dust settles. I already posted the Portal Shopping List a few weeks ago, so there are no secrets about what we want and need.

I do think people are forgetting about what we already got- Top OL in the Portal, best C in the Portal, arguably the best LB in the Portal, upper-tier Big 10 DT and a starting CB with draftable grades.

More work to do.

 

[01Canes]

Love the Jerrae Hawkins update. Phenomenal talent. If we can land Hawkins and Drelon Miller to go along with Robinson, then that would be massive for our WR room.

Also couldn’t agree more with post #16 from @SayWhat in this thread. Would upvote it a thousand times if I could.

For all the talk about USC in this thread, it’s important to note that they are building through BOTH HS recruiting and the portal. They just signed the 8th-ranked class while we finished 7th. It’s not a situation where USC is just spending recklessly through the portal while being negligent in recruiting. Riley continues landing elite QB/WR talent and now has the financial backing to fortify the trenches as well.

If our pockets aren’t deep enough to compete on that level, then that’s one thing. But miss me with the talk of how other schools are “overspending” for blue-chip talent. The market is the market. For 3 straight seasons, Jaden Davis has had a strong camp at OU, began the season as the starter, got torched in coverage once actual games were played, and then was benched. We'd be laughing if a rival brought in that caliber of player to bolster a glaringly weak CB room.

 

[gacaneaddict]

Miami has had talent? Not real NFL talent.

Last 5 years I pulled 1st and 2nd round picks:

Alabama-19/8-27 total
Georgia-12/7-19 total
Ohio State-10/5-15 total
Clemson-7/4-11 total
LSU-8/8-16 total
Michigan-6/2- 8 total
OU-5/4-9 total
Miami-2/0-2 total-and we got 1 real season out of our 2 first rounders

Then last night to add to above total:

Frist rounders:

Alabama-3
Georgia-3
Ohio State-3
Clemson-2

 

[Angry Ibis]

You're not getting Corvette performance buying a Miata. Are we trying to compete with super cars or Honda's with a fart can?

Dude is looking for reliable minivans…

 

[RealRussellPumps]

Love the Jerrae Hawkins update. Phenomenal talent. If we can land Hawkins and Drelon Miller to go along with Robinson, then that would be massive for our WR room.

Also couldn’t agree more with post #16 from @SayWhat in this thread. Would upvote it a thousand times if I could.

For all the talk about USC in this thread, it’s important to note that they are building through BOTH HS recruiting and the portal. They just signed the 8th-ranked class while we finished 7th. It’s not a situation where USC is just spending recklessly through the portal while being negligent in recruiting. Riley continues landing elite QB/WR talent and now has the financial backing to fortify the trenches as well.

If our pockets aren’t deep enough to compete on that level, then that’s one thing. But miss me with the talk of how other schools are “overspending” for blue-chip talent. The market is the market. For 3 straight seasons, Jaden Davis has had a strong camp at OU, began the season as the starter, got torched in coverage once actual games were played, and then was benched. We'd be laughing if a rival brought in that caliber of player to bolster a glaringly weak CB room.

I'm just going to call him Jaden "DJ Ivey" Davis from here on out.

 

[bobbydigius]

Also, Miami is also NOT going to over spend on any blue chip prospect like certain schools are doing. Miami has handled the $ numbers very responsibly and isn’t promising starting roles. As we continue to load up, I expect for this to change a little bit.

This is another example where you apply the golden rule of CFB fandom. If this was an FSU or UF board saying this, how would we react? Not promising starting roles, being fiscally responsible and only going after high character guys is vintage cfb fandom copium
playbook.

I saw that we got an official from Ellis the UGA commit. My hopium here is that we are being tight with NIL in the portal and saving it for HS but that is basically the equivalent that the OC is saving the good stuff in the playbook for later.

 

[tsimonitis]

Because we don’t have the same caliber coaches to do what USC did last year at the same starting position as us. They went forward and should’ve been in the playoff last year. We went backward.

USC did everything that Mario was criticized for at Oregon....lost to Utah

 

[yuhot]

If we have a solid locker room, we should be able to take some low character guys. I just feel like miami is always chasing high character guy then we get screwed at the end. In the past we didnt always have high character guys but they werent criminals either.

 

[TexasCane90]

Love the Jerrae Hawkins update. Phenomenal talent. If we can land Hawkins and Drelon Miller to go along with Robinson, then that would be massive for our WR room.

Also couldn’t agree more with post #16 from @SayWhat in this thread. Would upvote it a thousand times if I could.

For all the talk about USC in this thread, it’s important to note that they are building through BOTH HS recruiting and the portal. They just signed the 8th-ranked class while we finished 7th. It’s not a situation where USC is just spending recklessly through the portal while being negligent in recruiting. Riley continues landing elite QB/WR talent and now has the financial backing to fortify the trenches as well.

If our pockets aren’t deep enough to compete on that level, then that’s one thing. But miss me with the talk of how other schools are “overspending” for blue-chip talent. The market is the market. For 3 straight seasons, Jaden Davis has had a strong camp at OU, began the season as the starter, got torched in coverage once actual games were played, and then was benched. We'd be laughing if a rival brought in that caliber of player to bolster a glaringly weak CB room.

That sounds just like DJ Ivey the past 4 years he was here…. He kept passing the shorts and tshirt walk throughs and once the games came on he was getting beat like a drum every game.

Bringing in jaden is another JAG in a room full of jags except this one is a senior… just let the young kids play and see if they can have the light bulb go off. Rather see a younger player maybe take some lumps and grow than watch a senior player take the same freshman lumps all season with zero improvement.

 

[canedotcom]

will only give consideration to high character porsts going forward

content be damned

 

[DMoney]

Miami is spending money. Just a month ago, Nick Saban was complaining publicly about the NIL money we threw at Cohen.

And we aren’t above the renegotiation game. We just won that battle against Bama for TVD.

It’s about picking the right battles and spending the money wisely. Let’s see how it works out.

 

[GojiraCane]

I wonder if Zo is having a bigger effect in this aspect given he has so much experience working in the NFL with a salary cap. Think a lot of coaches are just in the mindset of give me all the money and all the best players you can buy... without zero regard for actual team building and talent evaluation/fit and how that spending could have negative effects in the future.
We need the money to be there but we gotta be responsibly using it. Spending out of control isn't how you win.

I think we have to look at this not only in who we did not get, but who we did not lose. Let’s presume things stay as is with our current roster. We’re in the Wild West, no contracts. There is nothing - nothing - to stop USC from offering large amounts of money to Leonard Taylor, James Williams, Samson, or Francis Maiogoa to leave. The NIL money may also be used to keep the current team intact. Presently it’s a team that now has a 59% blue chip ratio, and there are people on our team that others would love to raid us for. We may be spending a lot behind the scenes to keep our most needed players here.

A second thing to consider is follow-on spending. Let’s say you offer a wide receiver $1.5M to jump. He agrees. But now Washington, Horton, Jacolby, and Colby theoretically want an increase too. So you have to be willing to spend on the existing players at the position you bring a prominent transfer in.

I think Zo and Mario are taking a more conservative, Pittsburg Steelers type approach to roster building in this era. The Steelers built through the draft and did not rely on free agency heavily.