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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Good for you was a compliment.

I appreciate your background and your listing of qualifications and experience, but until I see data that shows a statistical correlation between Mario/Feld training causing injuries, until you can prove causation, it’s just an unproven theory. Someone else could postulate something completely different, and it would be just as valid. You made a very specific claim about injuries.

I’m a hard data, prove it to me guy, when it comes to science, specifically medical science in this case. And I have yet to see anything closely resembling proof, or even just a statistical correlation.

I would be very interested in you having a one on one conversation with Feld, and I guess Mario for that matter, to see how you could teach them how to improve their techniques.

Have you considered reaching out to them to try to help them? Since you’re so sure that they’re doing it incorrectly?
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20 players missing at least one game due to injury sound like a good over/under bet for '23?
 
grover said:
On Franklin v Fletcher, I was speaking more to a primary role in gaining the hard earned interior yards when we needed that first down on third or fourth and short. I know they both do more than that in different ways. I was calling Fletcher a rich man’s Franklin because he has that heart and relentlessness we didn’t see in Thaddeus.
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Flether ain't fat. Case closed.
 
Ironmanfootball said:
I still teach but I no longer coach HS FB. I coach at a private training facility with all sports, all ages
It's not good for me, it's good for society. Good for me would be a private island with Hawaiian Tropic models needing a lotion boy.

No one is going to be able to walk in and say A-HA here's the evidence, this isn't Law & Order.
I was in football for 10 years as a chitty player, 20 as a never-was coach, and in S&C 20 years as well.
I'm a certified S&C coach that's in the field practicing coaching 3-4x a week.

Reading material:
Conditioning Article
Cramping
Running poles is dumb
Reverse engineering
Four coactives
Rhea + Ballou = Ring

If you never run at max velocity: 1- you'll never get faster, 2- you're more prone to injury when you do run at max velo in a game

If I run that volume above prescribed without training for it, I'm greatly increasing my risk of injury during the condo work
If I run that volume prescribed and train for it, I'm greatly increasing my risk of injury in football specific periods
Their workout detrained the athlete for their sport, and for speed

Now you have to focus on the movement efficiency that breaks down when you start to add volume and distance
Move less efficient, get tired faster.
Run 100's at all tired, get injured. Run 100's 200's and 300's... good luck!

100m is a long distance for anyone, it's 3 races in one. But it's especially long for anyone that isn't a small skill.
Throwers might bust out a 60m sprint here or there, but they work up to it.
There are 100m sprinters who never run 100m. There are 400m 'sprinters' who never run the 400.
So why are football players, who hardly run 50 yards a pop, running 300's? 200's? 100's?

The answer isn't "toughness" that's task-specific. If X team runs 300's to be tough, and then they are bottom 20 in penalties, are they tough?
The answer isn't conditioning, it's not to 'prevent cramps', it's not making you faster, stronger, more powerful, or cutting quicker
You won't block, tackle, pursue, intercept, throw, catch or run better because of them
So why do it?
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Don't bother. @OriginalCanesCanesCanes is a good poster but he's chosen to dig in on this position and won't relent, despite the fact that multiple folks who are very qualified on the topic have suggested it is a concern and something to look out for.
 
Ironmanfootball said:
20 players missing at least one game due to injury sound like a good over/under bet for '23?
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I don’t know man I don’t cheer for injuries.

And can you tell me how many players on the average miss at least one game due to injuries overall per team? That’s a completely arbitrary number unless you can come up with what the average is in college football.

So your bet makes zero sense, unless you’re looking at averages for each team, and not just over one year but over many years. I’m sure you understand the concept of statistical significance.
 
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AlexCane said:
Don't bother. @OriginalCanesCanesCanes is a good poster but he's chosen to dig in on this position and won't relent, despite the fact that multiple folks who are very qualified on the topic have suggested it is a concern and something to look out for.
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I’m just looking for data. I’m not dug in on anything. You’ve completely misunderstood my point of view. I’m not making any claims, other people are.

I’m not saying Mario’s techniques cause injuries and I’m not saying they don’t cause injuries. I don’t have data to back up either point.

You cannot make scientific claims or medical claims without proof.

You can theorize, you can speculate, but until you can correlate with data, it’s just pulling **** out of your ***.
 
I fr dont even care about the ads but I'm about to sign up for premium because D puts out a bunch of free content & the board is always hilarious. If I have to click a few ads or close a few videos to support that's gravy.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I don’t know man I don’t cheer for injuries.

And can you tell me how many players on the average miss at least one game due to injuries overall per team? That’s a completely arbitrary number unless you can come up with what the average is in college football.

So your bet makes zero sense, unless you’re looking at averages for each team, and not just over one year but over many years. I’m sure you understand the concept of statistical significance.
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You only cheer for injury data.

10 out of 1000 D1 players get injured / year

meridian.allenpress.com

Epidemiology of Injuries in National Collegiate Athletic Association Men's Football: 2014–2015 Through 2018–2019

Context. Football is among the most popular collegiate sports in the United States, and participation in National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) football has risen in recent years.Background. Continued monitoring of football injuries is important for capturing the evolving burden of...
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Ironmanfootball said:
You only cheer for injury data.

10 out of 1000 D1 players get injured / year

meridian.allenpress.com

Epidemiology of Injuries in National Collegiate Athletic Association Men's Football: 2014–2015 Through 2018–2019

Context. Football is among the most popular collegiate sports in the United States, and participation in National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) football has risen in recent years.Background. Continued monitoring of football injuries is important for capturing the evolving burden of...
meridian.allenpress.com meridian.allenpress.com
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Wrong.

Did you even read that study - it’s 10 out of 10,000 athlete exposures not 10 out of 10,000 D1 players get injured / year.

Yeesh.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I’m just looking for data. I’m not dug in on anything. You’ve completely misunderstood my point of view. I’m not making any claims, other people are.

I’m not saying Mario’s techniques cause injuries and I’m not saying they don’t cause injuries. I don’t have data to back up either point.

You cannot make scientific claims or medical claims without proof.

You can theorize, you can speculate, but until you can correlate with data, it’s just pulling **** out of your ***.
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I appreciate and understand that, but your request is somewhat disingenuous because you know that no one here can present the data. In many instances, we don't even know what the injury is (Arroyo?). We don't know whether it's contact or non-contact. We don't know what the workout or practice schedule looked like. UM also has a sophisticated biofeedback system. We don't know what team-wide recovery looked like (or whether sleep is measured, and if so, what that looked like). There's a million variables, hence why the folks discussing this topic intelligently have stopped short of saying anything other than be on the lookout for this, because if it continues to happen year after year, it's not bad luck but an actual thing.
 
More like bankrupt. Mario 1 year in sitting on a D grade and would be an F if he wasn’t recruiting so well. Man I hope he can figure it out cause I just don’t even want to imagine what this program would be if a homegrown elected recruiter with the most money the school has ever seen for football can’t even win.
 
plantcity3 said:
It also pauses any anything I’m listening to in the background whenever a page is loaded making it almost impossible to browse the site and listen to something like a YouTube video
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It makes it impossible to mindlessly scroll.. I'm trying to find new go to sites when bored. That can't be good for traffic.
 
TitansHope said:
people who don't have the faintest grasp of how to interpret academic papers or data casually throwing them around is an absolute epidemic in this country. depressing.
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I’m in the fitness/supplement space and it’s about 99.99% people quoting studies they don’t understand

Not saying it’s an easy thing to do all the time, but I know when to keep my mouth shut. I wish others did 😂
 
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