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Not saying thank you Golden, just saying FSU is way deeper and more talented. They got Cook, Rudolph, and Lane. We did not. They got Joyner, Davonte Freeman, Benjamin, etc. we did not. Winston is a 5 star Heisman winner, but you didn't mention him. Kaaya is great, but he is a true freshman statue. How about OL? Other than Flowers and McDermot, what big name upper classmen do we have? Deon Bush is great, but Ramsey is a monster.
Okay Here is FSU's line up vs ours based on rivals:
Us
QB: 4* Kaaya: TRUE FRESHMAN who is playing way better than he should be. +1 to the coaches
RB: 5* Duke Johnson: Has met and exceeded expectations his whole career. Good job coaches getting and developing this kid into a workhorse.
FB: 2* Walter Tucker: Has played great this season. Good job finding an athlete and putting him at FB coaches.
WR: 3* Phillip Dorsett: Great for a 3* WR. Fastest WR in the country. Good job coaches making him a complete player.
WR: 4* Stacey Coley: Has regressed this year
WR: 3* Herb Waters: Is solid, but can't quite break out.
TE: 3* Clive Walford: Came in as a poor player, but has become very good. Good job coaches developing this kid.
LT: 4* Erick Flowers: Has been very good, but not great.
LG: 3* Nick Linder: This is telling, we have to start a true freshman 3* LG!!! He's been good though!
C: 3* Shane McDermott: Solid Center. Has consistently gotten better, good job coaches.
RG: 3* Jonathan Feliciano: Solid lineman. Has gotten much better this year. Good job coaches.
RT: 4* Trevor Darling: We have to start another true freshman because of lack of depth and injuries. He is okay right now, but will probably get much better.
DE: 4* Anthony Chickilo: Is solid, but not great. Too slow for DE. Probably should be inside, but is better this year than last.
DE: 4* Tyriq McCord: Is also solid, but not great. Isn't much better than last year IMO, but this may be due to having no DT's.
DT: 3* Calvin Heurtelou: Is an okay gap filling DT.
DT: 3* Olsen Pierre: Is okay, but not athletic enough to be better. Coaches have made both DT's serviceable.
LB: 3* Denzel Perryman: Is a beast. Coaches have made him continually bigger and better.
LB: 4* Raphael Kirby: Is a solid LB. He wasn't good last year, but seems to be improving. Good job coaches.
LB: 0* Thurston Armbrister: Is a feel good story. We were his only offer, but the coaches have made him a good college LB with a chance to make an NFL roster.
S: 4* Deon Bush: Really good player. Seems to be getting better as of late, so coaches are developing him to.
S: 0* Nantumbu Fentress: Our Rudy. Lots of heart, but not much height or talent. Coaches have made him serviceable.
CB: 4* Artie Burns: Good player. Would like to see coaches develop him more though.
CB: 3* Ladarius Gunter: Good player, seems to have plateaued though.
A few things to note about us:
-Now we have 5* Chad Thomas who hasn't been much of a factor b/c he is a true freshman baby, 5* Tracy Howard who is a rotational player, and, and solid 3* corner Anthony Crawford. 4* Jamal Crawford is athletic, but is not a good football player yet. We are also missing 3* Rayshawn Jenkins. 2* Ufomba Kamalu is a solid contributor on the DL as well. 4* Jermaine Grace has gained weight and is on a roll too. Kudos to coaching for this one too. On offense, 4* Joseph Yearby has been solid, but nothing extraordinary yet.
-I didn't account for the kickers. If we switched kickers with FSU, we win easily.
-Player development seems very good minus DL and DB's with the outlier being Stacy Coley.
So in total we have:
5*=3
4*=12
3*=11
2*=2
0*=2
Keep in mind that IMO stars don't mean anything because Golden has our lesser rated players playing as well as FSU's higher rated players. We outgained them and would have won if it were not for the kicking game, a few bad bounces, bad calls, dropped int/td, and Dobard's fumble.
Now for FSU:
QB: 5* Heisman Winner
RB: 5* Karlos Williams
RB: 5* Dalvin Cook
WR: 5* Travis Rudolph
WR: 3* Jesus Wilson
WR: 4* Rashad Greene
WR: 5* Ermon Lane
TE: 4* Nick O' Leary
LT: 4* True Freshman Roderick Johnson
LG: 4* Josue Matias
C: 3* Cameron Irving
RG: 3* Tre Jackson
RT: 4* Bobby Hart
DE: 3* Lorenzo Featherston
DE: 5* Mario Edwards
DT: 4* Derrick Mitchell
DT: 5* Eddie Goldman
LB: 4* Chris Casher
LB: 3* Terrance Smith
LB: 4* Reggie Northrup
CB: 4* Ronald Darby (Sucks)
CB: 4* P.J. Williams
S: 3* Tyler Hunter
S: 5* Jalen Ramsey
So, without even counting FSU's "role" players like I did for us, FSU has:
5*=8 (vs our 3)
4*=10
3*=6
Note, I think we are about equal to FSU in terms of how our players are actually playing. We were just as good the other night, but made too many mistakes to beat a team that is so talented and USED TO WINNING WITH THE HEISMAN WINNER AT QB!!! Note the talent difference at DT and remember FSU's best DT, 4* Niles Lawerence-Stample is out for the year.
One of the best posts i have seen