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EudocimusAlbus
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I actually think the rankings have gotten pretty good, especially at the top. Daniels and Nix were also five stars.
The trick is keeping those guys. The transfers are a killer after you’ve sunk in money. I agree with @Memnon, it makes moe sense to splurge on an elite guy if there is a clear plan for him to start as a freshman and the surrounding team is set up for success.
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I only did QBs since the portal era (2020). Nix was a 5* from 2019, & Daniels was a 4* from 2019.
I agree the rankings have gotten better, but even the starters r transferring. NIL + easy access w/ unlimited portal movement has created absolute chaos. The QB room has to be over recruited even if that means utilizing the portal for multi year starters or bridge QBs to ur future.
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Been saying this. Go for the top 1-3 hs QBs if you expect them to start asap. At most you’d need a good QB returning for his final season and expect the 5star guy to take over next season, but you just wasted >$1M…
It’s same as portal just always target a top 1-3 portal QB. Just spend big money on the starter, and try to be relatively cheap with development backups
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You to have evaluate each QB individually based on their ability & not just their ranking.
QB rankings are mostly based on Camps & which schools are recruiting said QB. The recruiting services go by the logic of, "If ____ is recruiting them, then they must be good..". That's how a lot of high rated QB's end up as busts, because they were overrated coming out of HS based on ancillary factors as opposed to their raw ability.
Some may not realize that not every top powerhouse program actually wants a #1 draft pick style starter. There are teams that have elite rosters that are just looking for a safe game manager to hand the ball off & make a lot of easy throws on simple reads.
That's why UGA doesn't have a single starter in the league despite having essentially 7 seasons straight of dominance with 2 National titles. It had very little to do with the QB.
Sometimes with QB's, team success gets conflated with individual success. Which creates a reverse engineered effect of assuming that because a certain team is recruiting a certain QB, that player must then be equivalent to the success of a previous player from that team. When in reality, that previous player was a byproduct of the system & the machine is simply recruiting the new player to fill that exact same role.
And how that trickles down into the recruiting rankings is the services arbitrarily give the recruit a higher ranking than his actual skillset, because they don't realize that the team recruiting him is really only looking at him as a role player & not a "program changer" so to speak.
It's how guys who come from non-traditional programs end up as starters in the league, while guys who come from powerhouses end up as backups, or as busts.
Jordan Love is a perfect example of how a kid from a non-powerhouse school had all the traits & ability you need to be a very good NFL starter, but yet wasn't highly rated coming out of HS & didn't play a P5/4 program, so therefore it was assumed he wasn't that good. When if you just watched his tape, he clearly had a better arm than 98% of his class & 4 years later when he entered into the draft was on par talent wise with Burrow & Herbert. It took for the Packers who have mastered QB evals/drafting, to take him for people to see his actual ability & not just be distracted by his HS ranking & what college team he played for.
I would wager that a late 6th round pick like Joe Milton ends up having a better career than JJ McCarthy, because his raw ability is just better than McCarthy's despite being ranked lower & not having as much team success in College. Both signed with Michigan out of HS; Milton was a mid 3-star/4-star composite & JJ was a high 4-star/5-star composite. Joe went to Olympia in Orlando & JJ went to IMG (even though he's a kid from Illinois).
JJ wasn't signed to Michigan to be a Gunslinger putting in the air 40+ times a game, he was signed to be a balanced Game manager who could use his mobility to help the run game. But due to the fact he played on a loaded IMG team he was rated way higher than he should've been & because he played on a Cheatagain team with stacked roster he got drafted way higher than he should've been. And when he flames out at Minnesota, people will call him a bust, when really all he's ever been was a medium level Game Manager.
QB rankings are mostly based on Camps & which schools are recruiting said QB. The recruiting services go by the logic of, "If ____ is recruiting them, then they must be good..". That's how a lot of high rated QB's end up as busts, because they were overrated coming out of HS based on ancillary factors as opposed to their raw ability.
Some may not realize that not every top powerhouse program actually wants a #1 draft pick style starter. There are teams that have elite rosters that are just looking for a safe game manager to hand the ball off & make a lot of easy throws on simple reads.
That's why UGA doesn't have a single starter in the league despite having essentially 7 seasons straight of dominance with 2 National titles. It had very little to do with the QB.
Sometimes with QB's, team success gets conflated with individual success. Which creates a reverse engineered effect of assuming that because a certain team is recruiting a certain QB, that player must then be equivalent to the success of a previous player from that team. When in reality, that previous player was a byproduct of the system & the machine is simply recruiting the new player to fill that exact same role.
And how that trickles down into the recruiting rankings is the services arbitrarily give the recruit a higher ranking than his actual skillset, because they don't realize that the team recruiting him is really only looking at him as a role player & not a "program changer" so to speak.
It's how guys who come from non-traditional programs end up as starters in the league, while guys who come from powerhouses end up as backups, or as busts.
Jordan Love is a perfect example of how a kid from a non-powerhouse school had all the traits & ability you need to be a very good NFL starter, but yet wasn't highly rated coming out of HS & didn't play a P5/4 program, so therefore it was assumed he wasn't that good. When if you just watched his tape, he clearly had a better arm than 98% of his class & 4 years later when he entered into the draft was on par talent wise with Burrow & Herbert. It took for the Packers who have mastered QB evals/drafting, to take him for people to see his actual ability & not just be distracted by his HS ranking & what college team he played for.
I would wager that a late 6th round pick like Joe Milton ends up having a better career than JJ McCarthy, because his raw ability is just better than McCarthy's despite being ranked lower & not having as much team success in College. Both signed with Michigan out of HS; Milton was a mid 3-star/4-star composite & JJ was a high 4-star/5-star composite. Joe went to Olympia in Orlando & JJ went to IMG (even though he's a kid from Illinois).
JJ wasn't signed to Michigan to be a Gunslinger putting in the air 40+ times a game, he was signed to be a balanced Game manager who could use his mobility to help the run game. But due to the fact he played on a loaded IMG team he was rated way higher than he should've been & because he played on a Cheatagain team with stacked roster he got drafted way higher than he should've been. And when he flames out at Minnesota, people will call him a bust, when really all he's ever been was a medium level Game Manager.
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If that’s not the blue print not sure what is.
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That is my understanding of how rankings goes as well. Depends on the schools who are recruiting them. Also, seems dependent on which teams have a higher fanbase subscription as well. So basically, instead of talent level, we're getting judgment based on hearsay.