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SouthParkCane said:
Yes. And they were both true but not to the extent the board makes it seem imo. For example a lot of people attributed the destinations guys we lost to the portal chose as a perception of their talent. That’s not how that works. A lot of those guys didn’t have a lot of film and recruiting doesn’t stop. Miami isn’t a top tier program and they went 5-7 nobody was beating down their door because of that fact not because of their individual talent. A kid who has never played at UGA has more options in the portal than the guy who signed at Miami.
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Not true. Teams like Bama that have unlimited analysts scour teams to find talent regardless of the team record.

You can find a talented kid and his team sucks. Look at the Gibbs kid that was at GT before Bama stole him.
 
Canesq said:
Not true. Teams like Bama that have unlimited analysts scour teams to find talent regardless of the team record.

You can find a talented kid and his team sucks. Look at the Gibbs kid that was at GT before Bama stole him.
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Gibbs was highly recruited bro, he was an all American back and top 100 player lol he chose GT because he legit liked the school
 
YUMU said:
Great coaching for sure
they also struck gold in the transfer portal

…and have a monster stud QB (gamer) and one of the best receivers in the college (got the goods with this one)
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Did they just show upas studs or were they developed as studs.

Here’s an example. Dan Morgan was a fullback in HS. Was asked due to depth issues to play LBer. The Chimp and Pagano along of course with Dan’s own motivation turned him into the most award winning LBer in CFB history.
 
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Some of ya’ll mofos should be eating some crow tonight. TCU is way less talented overall according to recruiting rankings, but have way better coaching and schemes than we do.

Today was just more proof as to how clueless many on this board are when it comes to football. Talent matters, but only when you don’t have corches. Just look at Ron Zook and Muschump during their tenures at UiF. They both recruited at a high level, but both always had mediocre records.

Those of you that predicted that Michigan was going to steamroll TCU obviously did not see the Horned Frogs play this season. That team never, ever gives up, and they’re not scared of anyone.
 
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Player development, PLUS guys staying for 4-5 years can overcome a lack of top end stars. That said, you also have to hit on your evals at a high rate, to make up for the fact that you don't have ready made stars coming in. However, TCU is an OUTLIER. I know our fans have difficulty understanding what an OUTLIER is , so I'm going to provide a definition.

out·li·er
/ˈoutˌlī(ə)r/
noun
a person or thing situated away or detached from the main body or system.
"less accessible islands and outliers"
a person or thing differing from all other members of a particular group or set.
"an outlier in Faulkner's body of work"

You look at the typical playoff team, they are rarely as mediocre in overall recruiting as TCU, in fact, it's rare that a program is consistently outside the Top 15 in the rankings makes a CFP appearance. Just like in the NFL, you are much more likely to find your franchise QB in the first round, compared to the 6th, but you always have someone screaming "Joe Montana and Tom Brady weren't drafted early", forgetting that the bulk of good QBs drafted in the last 40 years were usually taken in the top 2 rounds. Outliers don't disprove a rule, they only prove that in any dataset, that someone will be outside the standard deviation.
 
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RedPill Stepdad said:
they run an offense that can do “more with less”. if they ran the offense we do they’d be lucky to win 7 games.
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They have 3 legit NFL players on O.. that WR will go day one. Dugs will be a NFL QB. And the RB who got hurt will play on Sundays. They have 2 future nfl players at corner. We need to stop obsessing with recruiting rankings..they matter don’t get me wrong but what you see with our highly regarded guys who went in the portal should tell ppl something..Evals matter. What guys do in your program while you have them matter..ultimately culture matters
 
Canedude08 said:
Player development, PLUS guys staying for 4-5 years can overcome a lack of top end stars. That said, you also have to hit on your evals at a high rate, to make up for the fact that you don't have ready made stars coming in. However, TCU is an OUTLIER. I know our fans have difficulty understanding what an OUTLIER is , so I'm going to provide a definition.

out·li·er
/ˈoutˌlī(ə)r/
noun
a person or thing situated away or detached from the main body or system.
"less accessible islands and outliers"
a person or thing differing from all other members of a particular group or set.
"an outlier in Faulkner's body of work"

You look at the typical playoff team, they are rarely as mediocre in overall recruiting as TCU, in fact, it's rare that a program is consistently outside the Top 15 in the rankings makes a CFP appearance. Just like in the NFL, you are much more likely to find your franchise QB in the first round, compared to the 6th, but you always have someone screaming "Joe Montana and Tom Brady weren't drafted early", forgetting that the bulk of good QBs drafted in the last 40 years were usually taken in the top 2 rounds. Outliers don't disprove a rule, they only prove that in any dataset, that someone will be outside the standard deviation.
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Fact. They are an outlier.
 
I see those articles on espn that does a redraft of previous season drafts after they have been in the league. You’ll see guys that were drafted top 5 that didn’t do anything.

If anyone ever did something like this for college recruiting classes, our classes wouldn’t be as good as they were back then. We pulled a lot of late kids after very little evals because our wishlist wasn’t interested in us. Meanwhile, teams like TCU generally don’t get into bidding wars or long drawn out battles. They stay in their lane and focus their evals on targets that are attainable. I would be willing to bet you don’t see middle tier teams scrambling at the 11th hour on multiple positions like we did on an annual basis before Mario.

So please stop using those recruiting rankings in hindsight as something that should mean something. More than half our team that has transferred out has went to a much lower profile team, just saying.
 
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305to954 said:
They have 3 legit NFL players on O.. that WR will go day one. Dugs will be a NFL QB. And the RB who got hurt will play on Sundays. They have 2 future nfl players at corner. We need to stop obsessing with recruiting rankings..they matter don’t get me wrong but what you see with our highly regarded guys who went in the portal should tell ppl something..Evals matter. What guys do in your program while you have them matter..ultimately culture matters
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Yes, you need to recruit kids with the physical tools AND you need to develop them. There's a reason why **** near every year, Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, Georgia are in the CFP mix. They recruit high end athletes, AND they rarely miss on their evals. No one is perfect in regards to evals, because you are evaluating human beings who are fallible, but the better teams have fewer total busts. Miami on the other hand, we have a ton of flat busts, because our evals have been awful, and we've also had a culture that allows mediocrity. You can't miss on evals, not recruit entire position groups at a decent level, and have a crappy culture. That isn't a recipe for success.
 
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305to954 said:
They have 3 legit NFL players on O.. that WR will go day one. Dugs will be a NFL QB. And the RB who got hurt will play on Sundays. They have 2 future nfl players at corner. We need to stop obsessing with recruiting rankings..they matter don’t get me wrong but what you see with our highly regarded guys who went in the portal should tell ppl something..Evals matter. What guys do in your program while you have them matter..ultimately culture matters
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they win 7 games if they try to line up and play Mario ball and the only one drafted is Johnston. same culture they have now. 7 games.

they have 3 legit NFL players on offense because the scheme puts their players in a position to succeed. Duggans and TVD are similar in talent level. the difference being one is in a system that allows for him to showcase and get the most out of his talents and the other has Josh Gattis as OC.
 
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SouthParkCane said:
Gibbs was highly recruited bro, he was an all American back and top 100 player lol he chose GT because he legit liked the school
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And none of Miami’s transfers were highly recruited?

My point is it’s the job of the staff is to find guys and not everyone will be coming from good teams.
 
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