Tampa Plant OL set to decide on July 17th

[hawaiicane]

Nah, i know folks are getting all bent out of shape but the truth hurts. Golden's made only three serious mistakes in his 18 months here. Hiring Kehoe, retaining Swasey, and certain questionable recruiting decisions. Even though I knew the lack of S and OL were weaknesses in the 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes, i havent really criticized Golden for those oversights since he had significant mitigating circumstances that hurt his ability to recruit against the top tier (only 6 real weeks of recruiting in 2011 and the garbage Shapiro crap hanging over him in 2012).

But the coaching hires are all on him.

 

[Aliveguy]

OL has always been the weakest part of EVERY champtionship team that Miami has had with the exception of the 2001 team, which had a dominant OL. THere's no reason why Miami shouldn't produce stud OL and get some of the best high school talented to sign on. Kehoe just isn't a great recruiter.

 

[Ghandi]

2010 -
1 kid made it in
*Hunter Wells (Tackle)

2011-
3 kids made it in
*Taylor Gadbois (Tackle)
*Erek Flowers (Tackle)
*Danny Isadora (Guard)

2013-
1 kid committed so far
*Alex Gall (Guard)

That's 5 kids in two years for a position that is still very healthy with talent. The other issues on the roster needed to be addressed (DB/LB), so healthy positions took a back seat. If we only get 2 this year, then I think they'll begin to get into a gray area.

 

[Ghandi]

Nah, i know folks are getting all bent out of shape but the truth hurts. Golden's made only three serious mistakes in his 18 months here. Hiring Kehoe, retaining Swasey, and certain questionable recruiting decisions. Even though I knew the lack of S and OL were weaknesses in the 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes, i havent really criticized Golden for those oversights since he had significant mitigating circumstances that hurt his ability to recruit against the top tier (only 6 real weeks of recruiting in 2011 and the garbage Shapiro crap hanging over him in 2012).

But the coaching hires are all on him.

Answer the question sir. It was a simple direct inquiry. You're not answering anything about the OL numbers or talent, just talking about Kehoe and Swasey.

 

[AllbouttheU]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

Failures? We got One of the best Tackles in Flowers last year and one the best guards in Isadora add Gadbois and it was a solid class. Shammin failed at actually bringing in kids this is nothing like Shannon.

 

[Core Values]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

Failures? We got One of the best Tackles in Flowers last year and one the best guards in Isadora add Gadbois and it was a solid class. Shammin failed at actually bringing in kids this is nothing like Shannon.

+1

 

[Cane Empire]

Goldens been here a year and a half and you're already *****ing about recruiting failures? GTFOOH

 

[CaneSuger]

Way too early to fret over OL recruiting. We need 2-3.

It seems to me that OL is also one of the positions that has a weaker correlation between high HS ranking and college/NFL success

Ereck Flowers (while a commit) was still under the radar at this time last year.

A lot of OL emerge in senior year

Speed develops at a younger age than strength.

 

[CaneSuger]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

You're the worst poster on this forum. Seriously you have no clue what you're talking about. Our OL numbers are fine. We are only losing one senior, and possibly Henderson will leave early. That means we need one or two commitments to maintain a 3-deep OL.

This isn't Nebraska in 1985. We can't have 75+ offensive linemen on scholarship.

 

[hawaiicane]

Nah, i know folks are getting all bent out of shape but the truth hurts. Golden's made only three serious mistakes in his 18 months here. Hiring Kehoe, retaining Swasey, and certain questionable recruiting decisions. Even though I knew the lack of S and OL were weaknesses in the 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes, i havent really criticized Golden for those oversights since he had significant mitigating circumstances that hurt his ability to recruit against the top tier (only 6 real weeks of recruiting in 2011 and the garbage Shapiro crap hanging over him in 2012).

But the coaching hires are all on him.

Answer the question sir. It was a simple direct inquiry. You're not answering anything about the OL numbers or talent, just talking about Kehoe and Swasey.

I dedicated an entire half thread about OL numbers and talent . We have 8 bodies at OL for 2014. That's atrocious. Meanwhile we have 84503840509 DEs and folks on here are still screaming for more.

 

[CanesAreAble]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

The biggest difference is that Golden isn't turning away talented o-linemen who want in. You can't take blood from a stone.

Golden had like a month to cobble together the 2011 class, and he got two impact linemen for 2012.

Let's be a little more patient before flying off the handle.

 

[Core Values]

Nah, i know folks are getting all bent out of shape but the truth hurts. Golden's made only three serious mistakes in his 18 months here. Hiring Kehoe, retaining Swasey, and certain questionable recruiting decisions. Even though I knew the lack of S and OL were weaknesses in the 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes, i havent really criticized Golden for those oversights since he had significant mitigating circumstances that hurt his ability to recruit against the top tier (only 6 real weeks of recruiting in 2011 and the garbage Shapiro crap hanging over him in 2012).

But the coaching hires are all on him.

Answer the question sir. It was a simple direct inquiry. You're not answering anything about the OL numbers or talent, just talking about Kehoe and Swasey.

I dedicated an entire half thread about OL numbers and talent . We have 8 bodies at OL for 2014. That's atrocious. Meanwhile we have 84503840509 DEs and folks on here are still screaming for more.

You keep saying we have 8 bodies at OL for 2014 but you're not adding whatever UM gets for 2013 & 2014. By 2014 we are losing 6 OL but only 2 really play henderson and Linder. If things go well Henderson get replaced by Flowers and Linder gets replaced by Isidora.

 

[DiegoCane]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

Failures? We got One of the best Tackles in Flowers last year and one the best guards in Isadora add Gadbois and it was a solid class. Shammin failed at actually bringing in kids this is nothing like Shannon.

He's basically ripping Golden for not pulling an amazing OL class his 1st year when he had no time. Last year was a nice pull and I'm sure we will finish with 2 or 3 this year. 2014 will be a big OL class with Darling and McDermott looking like the frontrunners. Either that or hawaii wants 5 OL recruited every year and 20-25 OL on the roster and doesn't understand you only get 85 scholarship (possibly less in our case).

 

[DiegoCane]

Nah, i know folks are getting all bent out of shape but the truth hurts. Golden's made only three serious mistakes in his 18 months here. Hiring Kehoe, retaining Swasey, and certain questionable recruiting decisions. Even though I knew the lack of S and OL were weaknesses in the 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes, i havent really criticized Golden for those oversights since he had significant mitigating circumstances that hurt his ability to recruit against the top tier (only 6 real weeks of recruiting in 2011 and the garbage Shapiro crap hanging over him in 2012).

But the coaching hires are all on him.

Answer the question sir. It was a simple direct inquiry. You're not answering anything about the OL numbers or talent, just talking about Kehoe and Swasey.

I dedicated an entire half thread about OL numbers and talent . We have 8 bodies at OL for 2014. That's atrocious. Meanwhile we have 84503840509 DEs and folks on here are still screaming for more.

8 upperclassmen bodies. You realize that is an average of 4 per class (16 total OL playing the averages) which is extremely standard. Get this, we are playing with 7 upperclassmen OL this year. This is standard stuff I'm not sure why you are freaking out about it.

Go look at nearly every program in the nation and look at the amount of scholarship OL they have and then report back.

 

[CaneSuger]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

You're the worst poster on this forum. Seriously you have no clue what you're talking about. Our OL numbers are fine. We are only losing one senior, and possibly Henderson will leave early. That means we need one or two commitments to maintain a 3-deep OL.

This isn't Nebraska in 1985. We can't have 75+ offensive linemen on scholarship.

Learn how to read dates and do simple math than we can have a real talk. Otherwise, you are just wasting everyone's time.

Can you count to two? Cause that's the MAXIMUM number of offensive linemen we lose after this year.

 

[maximegauthierl]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

You're the worst poster on this forum. Seriously you have no clue what you're talking about. Our OL numbers are fine. We are only losing one senior, and possibly Henderson will leave early. That means we need one or two commitments to maintain a 3-deep OL.

This isn't Nebraska in 1985. We can't have 75+ offensive linemen on scholarship.

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[hawaiicane]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

You're the worst poster on this forum. Seriously you have no clue what you're talking about. Our OL numbers are fine. We are only losing one senior, and possibly Henderson will leave early. That means we need one or two commitments to maintain a 3-deep OL.

This isn't Nebraska in 1985. We can't have 75+ offensive linemen on scholarship.

Learn how to read dates and do simple math than we can have a real talk. Otherwise, you are just wasting everyone's time.

Can you count to two? Cause that's the MAXIMUM number of offensive linemen we lose after this year.

Learn how to read dates and do simple math than we can have a real talk. Otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time.

 

[hawaiicane]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

The biggest difference is that Golden isn't turning away talented o-linemen who want in. You can't take blood from a stone.

Golden had like a month to cobble together the 2011 class, and he got two impact linemen for 2012.

Let's be a little more patient before flying off the handle.

True. But if he doesnt come through in 2013 with several impact linemen that can contribute in 2014, we are going to be ***ked there the same way we were ***ked at CB last year. 8 OL return in 2014 but some of them will be busts - just the law of averages and the unpredictability of recruiting OL. That means some of the 2014 class will need to contribute by year 2, unless we want to pin our hopes on true FR in 2014.

 

[Ethnicsands]

What a lame exchange here. Guys are butthurt over a simple discussion of OL recruiting.

If we are relying on true frosh OL in '14, that will be a recruiting failure. If we are not going to rely on true frosh OL in '14, then we need a couple kids from this class to step up as RS frosh. If we need a couple kids from this class to step up as RS frosh, we either need to hit on them perfectly or sign several so the best two can step up. In that vein, it is interesting that it doesnt appear we're targeting that many OL this year. And AG got only 3 OL from his first two classes, so its a logical area to keep an eye on. (Not counting wells, who was a post-NSD add who i dont believe will ever play here.)

I'm as big an AG fan as there is around here,but this is a legit topic to discuss. Some of you guys are trying to canonize ag before he's accomplished anything. He's not perfect and its not an attack on im to discuss areas of concern or interest.

 

[Core Values]

OL for Golden reminds me of Shammin's CB failures and Corker's WR failures. The problems recruiting OL are only compounded by one of Golden's other big mistakes - hiring the current OL coach.

The biggest difference is that Golden isn't turning away talented o-linemen who want in. You can't take blood from a stone.

Golden had like a month to cobble together the 2011 class, and he got two impact linemen for 2012.

Let's be a little more patient before flying off the handle.

True. But if he doesnt come through in 2013 with several impact linemen that can contribute in 2014, we are going to be ***ked there the same way we were ***ked at CB last year. 8 OL return in 2014 but some of them will be busts - just the law of averages and the unpredictability of recruiting OL. That means some of the 2014 class will need to contribute by year 2, unless we want to pin our hopes on true FR in 2014.

8 OL return in 2014 PLUS 2/3 from 2013 PLUS 4/5 from 2014 Class. Thats 14-16 OL in 2014. also nothing wrong with having freshman help out with depth on an OL. We are losing 6 OL by 2014 and only 2 really play henderson and Linder. the other 4 are depth

You keep talking about only 8 bodies in 2014 but your not adding 2013 & 2014 Classes.