Talent at Miami

[OldManCane]

The large drop off was in 11. We went from 40 to 28 4/5 star players. Not sure exactly how that was on Randy except his last year here.

Think about it...

It'll come to you.

LOL, yeah

year 4/5 star
2006 12
2007 12
2008 11 ---> Only 8 made it on campus
2009 8 ------> Only 6 made it on campus
2010 6 ------> Only 5 made it on campus
2011 3
2012 8
2013 9
2014 9

Fixed it for you.

Yeah, I don't think Golden's numbers are accurate either. We didn't get everyone in that signed. I think they are off by a couple.

Anyway that's how we ended up dropping from the 40's to the 20's.

8+6+5+3

The worst class was 2011. I don't know if you want to blame that one on Randy for not having anyone committed in December, or just blame it on bad timing, but that's why we are where we are today.

So we're digging ourselves out of a hole.

 

[niner]

A friend of mine sent this to me weeks ago. Some article on the net.

Hurricanes (4 and 5 star player totals):

2006: 46
2007: 45
2008: 42
2009: 42
2010: 40
2011: 28
2012: 28
2013: 23
2014: 27

Having 40 or more 4 and 5 star players is of course not a guarantee for success. For example, the University of Texas has easily had over 40 four star players each year for a decade and has not produced much in the way of results while Miami did not go under the 40 player threshold until Shannon's reign. But having highly rated players certainly raises the odds of success.

For a quick further comparison of roster strength in during 2006 and 2013 (the lowest year), let's look at the number of 4 and 5 star players by position. And I'll throw in 2014 as well just for fun:

Quarterback:
2006: (2) Freeman, Wright
2013: (1) Olsen
2014: (2) KAYAA, Olsen

Wide Receiver:
2006: (4) Moore, Jenkins, Leggett, Shields
2013: (2) Coley, Lewis
2014: (3) BERRIOS, Coley, Lewis

Tight End:
2006: (5) Epps, Farr, Fox, Gordon, Olsen
2013: (1) Sandland
2014: (1) Sandland

Running Back:
2006: (4) Moss, J James, Johnson, Jones
2013: (2) Clements, Johnson
2014: (2) Johnson, YEARBY

Offensive Line:
2006: (5) Pou, Brain, Barney, Trump, Youngblood
2013: (4) Bunche, Flowers, Henderson, Linder
2014: (5) Bunche, DARLING, GIBBONS, Flowers, MCDERMOTT

Defensive Line:
2006: (11) Abdallah, Anderson, Brown, Campbell, Dixon, Franklin, Harris, Hendricks, Holmes, Moncur, Pata
2013: (5) Chickillo, Hamilton, McCord, Muhammad, L Robinson
2014: (7) Chickillo, Hamilton, JACKSON, McCord, MOTEN, Muhammad, C THOMAS

Linebacker:
2006: (5) Adkins, Beason, Bryant, Gooden, Robinson
2013: (2) Grace, Kirby
2014: (2) Grace, Kirby

Defensive Backs:
2006: (6) Cooper, Johnson, K Philips, R Philips, Sharpe, Walden
2013: (5) Burns, Bush, Carter, Elder, Howard
2014: (6) Burns, Bush, Carter, Elder, HESTER, Howard

Special Teams:
2006: (1) Peattie
2013: none
2014: none

This is a pretty good article though, goes to show how ****ty Randy Shannon's recruiting really was. Those '09 and '10 classes really gutted our talent level.

The large drop off was in 11. We went from 40 to 28 4/5 star players. Not sure exactly how that was on Randy except his last year here.

Think about it...

It'll come to you.

:ibisroflmao:

It STILL didnt come to him.

 

[Coach Macho]

The six I had listed.
Perryman, Feliciano. McDermott will be a late round pick. Pierre is physically the ideal 3-4 end and shows versatility playing DT as well. He will be drafted. Gunter will be a mid to late round pick as the NFL will continue its newfound infatuation with big corners.
Dorsett will be picked simply for his 4.3 speed plus he has ability.

That's six right there who, for star whores, were 3 star and under high school recruits.

Throw in Chickillo who will be a 3-5 round pick, Duke who could go anywhere from the 1st-3rd round, Flowers who could be a 1st-2nd round pick, and Tracy who, despite the haters, is a legit cover corner and will be a 2nd-3rd round pick, and you have some serious draft picks.

I think you're over-rating our guys a little bit. McDermott ain't goin nowhere and Pierre hasn't done a single thing yet. Gunter is questionable. Chickillo doesn't even have a position in the NFL cause he's currently a tweener, too small for 3-4 DE and not explosive enough for 4-3 DE.

Chickillo went to the draft advisory board after his junior year to see what his draft status would be and they said 5th round.

Which means he'll probably go in the 7th.

Way to be an optimist

I think I'm being a realist.

What position is he gonna play in the NFL?

He doesn't have half the talent of Allen Bailey. Bailey was drafted in the 3rd and I could be wrong but the last time I checked he wasn't getting much playing time. Bailey is a tweener like Chickillo is. Too small for 3-4 DE and not explosive enough for 4-3 DE. (and Bailey is a better athlete than Chickillo)

I don't see a spot for Chickillo in the NFL.

 

[Fountain of Canes]

I think you're over-rating our guys a little bit. McDermott ain't goin nowhere and Pierre hasn't done a single thing yet. Gunter is questionable. Chickillo doesn't even have a position in the NFL cause he's currently a tweener, too small for 3-4 DE and not explosive enough for 4-3 DE.

Chickillo went to the draft advisory board after his junior year to see what his draft status would be and they said 5th round.

Which means he'll probably go in the 7th.

Way to be an optimist

I think I'm being a realist.

What position is he gonna play in the NFL?

He doesn't have half the talent of Allen Bailey. Bailey was drafted in the 3rd and I could be wrong but the last time I checked he wasn't getting much playing time. Bailey is a tweener like Chickillo is. Too small for 3-4 DE and not explosive enough for 4-3 DE. (and Bailey is a better athlete than Chickillo)

I don't see a spot for Chickillo in the NFL.

you always speak truth @WildcatDefense . I feel like a lot people dont even know football on here. im sorry but Chick sucks now and its because of his weight. he simply cant play that big. he is so slow and misses tackles. he should have never went pass 260. staff might have hurt his career by making him get that big. i hope im wrong though.

 

[jmbflame21]

Chickillo went to the draft advisory board after his junior year to see what his draft status would be and they said 5th round.

Which means he'll probably go in the 7th.

Way to be an optimist

I think I'm being a realist.

What position is he gonna play in the NFL?

He doesn't have half the talent of Allen Bailey. Bailey was drafted in the 3rd and I could be wrong but the last time I checked he wasn't getting much playing time. Bailey is a tweener like Chickillo is. Too small for 3-4 DE and not explosive enough for 4-3 DE. (and Bailey is a better athlete than Chickillo)

I don't see a spot for Chickillo in the NFL.

you always speak truth @WildcatDefense . I feel like a lot people dont even know football on here. im sorry but Chick sucks now and its because of his weight. he simply cant play that big. he is so slow and misses tackles. he should have never went pass 260. staff might have hurt his career by making him get that big. i hope im wrong though.

Bailey plays a lot for the Chiefs actually...

 

[dforgie]

That's interesting because those two teams on the top of that list are my current picks for the next National Championship Game

I don't see Bama and OSU. As much as it hurts to say, Oklahoma and FSU are my picks right now.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

That's interesting because those two teams on the top of that list are my current picks for the next National Championship Game

I don't see Bama and OSU. As much as it hurts to say, Oklahoma and FSU are my picks right now.

I have OSU going undefeated until the playoff. I have Bama with one loss going into the playoff.

 

[Miami82]

That's interesting because those two teams on the top of that list are my current picks for the next National Championship Game

I don't see Bama and OSU. As much as it hurts to say, Oklahoma and FSU are my picks right now.

I have OSU going undefeated until the playoff. I have Bama with one loss going into the playoff.

I think State Penn takes oswho down, and bama loses to the kittens in the bayou.

 

[Coach Macho]

Which means he'll probably go in the 7th.

Way to be an optimist

I think I'm being a realist.

What position is he gonna play in the NFL?

He doesn't have half the talent of Allen Bailey. Bailey was drafted in the 3rd and I could be wrong but the last time I checked he wasn't getting much playing time. Bailey is a tweener like Chickillo is. Too small for 3-4 DE and not explosive enough for 4-3 DE. (and Bailey is a better athlete than Chickillo)

I don't see a spot for Chickillo in the NFL.

you always speak truth @WildcatDefense . I feel like a lot people dont even know football on here. im sorry but Chick sucks now and its because of his weight. he simply cant play that big. he is so slow and misses tackles. he should have never went pass 260. staff might have hurt his career by making him get that big. i hope im wrong though.

Bailey plays a lot for the Chiefs actually...

36 tackles and 2 sacks in 3 seasons.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Bailey was a physical freak and I think his production was also better than Chick's... He was also versatile... However it took him a while to adjust to the NFL... He just started playing extensively last year...

 

[Miami82]

I would like to see this breakdown from 2000-2003. Now that would be interesting.

Recruiting rankings werent as accurate then.

I don't think the rankings of high school players is any more accurate now. There may be more people doing the rankings, but that doesn't translate to more accurate. It's always a crap shoot with any particular kid.

The odds are on your side when you recruit more 4/5 stars. MBecks did a detailed study of how often a 2/3/4/5 star made all American. The hit rate on 4/5 stars was in the 40% range. Falls off tremendously 3 star and below.