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OldManCane

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Star ratings aren't perfect, but to give you a rough, quick and dirty idea of what Miami's talent level is like compared with other teams in college football, here's what I got for ya.

The following list shows how many 4 and 5 star kids each team has currently on the roster.

1. Alabama (53)
2. Ohio State (50)
3. Florida (43)
4. LSU ( 42)
5. Florida State (40)
6. Auburn (38)
6. Notre Dame (38)
8. UCLA (37)
9. Southern Cal (36)
9. Georgia (36)
9. Michigan (36)
12. TAMU (35)
13. Tennessee (33)
14. Texas (32)
15. Oklahoma (28)
16. Clemson (27)
17. Stanford (26)
17. South Carolina (26)
17. Miami (26)
20. Oregon (23)
21. Ole Miss (21)
22. Virginia Tech (19)
23. Kentucky (14)
24. Michigan State (13)


Last year, we played with 21 kids who were 4/5 stars.... most of those kids were sophomores or freshman.

All "x factors" like coaching and quarterback play aside, we should be a more talented and veteran team this coming year... and the expectation should be to finish top 20 somewhere.
 
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That list stamps Florida as the biggest under performer of the bunch. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of *** wipes.
 
Dingaan1828 said:
That list stamps Florida as the biggest under performer of the bunch. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of *** wipes.
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Yep tells us 3 things we already knew:

1. Florida, Texas, and Southern Cal underachieved (crappy coaching)
2. Oregon, Stanford, Louisville, and Oklahoma overachieved (good coaching)
3. FSU and Florida have been kicking our *** on the recruiting trail for whatever reason
 
That's interesting because those two teams on the top of that list are my current picks for the next National Championship Game
 
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If that becomes the case, it will be yet another mnc I will not watch.
 
luke137 said:
And where were the Duke Blue Devils on that list?
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Just because you are more talented than another team doesn't GUARANTEE you will win, it just means the PROBABILITY you will win is higher.

You ever gamble? It's all about the odds.

Say having 10 more 4/5 stars than your opponent gives you an 80% chance of winning. That means if you play 10 teams who you are more talented than, chances are you will win 8 and lose 2.

Using the list in the OP, it looks like we should be more talented than every team on our schedule except for Florida State. Does that mean we're going to go 11-1?

No probably not.

We're not to the point yet where we're THAT much more talented than other teams to where we can just beat them down on talent alone. I think 8-10 wins is more reasonable.
 
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We have enough talent to win a bunch more than we do. We certainly have enough talent to not get embarrassed by just about anyone. Al needs to send his book out to a ghostwriter for major editing.
 
OldManCane said:
luke137 said:
And where were the Duke Blue Devils on that list?
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Just because you are more talented than another team doesn't GUARANTEE you will win, it just means the PROBABILITY you will win is higher.

You ever gamble? It's all about the odds.

Say having 10 more 4/5 stars than your opponent gives you an 80% chance of winning. That means if you play 10 teams who you are more talented than, chances are you will win 8 and lose 2.

Using the list in the OP, it looks like we should be more talented than every team on our schedule except for Florida State. Does that mean we're going to go 11-1?

No probably not.

We're not to the point yet where we're THAT much more talented than other teams to where we can just beat them down on talent alone. I think 8-10 wins is more reasonable.
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But Duke had less talent then many , if not all of the teams on that list, yet they achieved more. What's the difference? Luck? Because the odds say Duke should have been in the crapper yet again, but they won the Costal.
 
luke137 said:
OldManCane said:
luke137 said:
And where were the Duke Blue Devils on that list?
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Just because you are more talented than another team doesn't GUARANTEE you will win, it just means the PROBABILITY you will win is higher.

You ever gamble? It's all about the odds.

Say having 10 more 4/5 stars than your opponent gives you an 80% chance of winning. That means if you play 10 teams who you are more talented than, chances are you will win 8 and lose 2.

Using the list in the OP, it looks like we should be more talented than every team on our schedule except for Florida State. Does that mean we're going to go 11-1?

No probably not.

We're not to the point yet where we're THAT much more talented than other teams to where we can just beat them down on talent alone. I think 8-10 wins is more reasonable.
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But Duke had less talent then many , if not all of the teams on that list, yet they achieved more. What's the difference? Luck? Because the odds say Duke should have been in the crapper yet again, but they won the Costal.
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Nope, the difference is that they maximized their talent better than a lot of other teams in the ACC. Think about VT's formula the past 20 years...Duke's currently doing pretty much the same thing. Cutcliffe is a **** good coach.
 
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A friend of mine sent this to me weeks ago. Some article on the net.

Hurricanes (4 and 5 star player totals):

2006: 46
2007: 45
2008: 42
2009: 42
2010: 40
2011: 28
2012: 28
2013: 23
2014: 27

Having 40 or more 4 and 5 star players is of course not a guarantee for success. For example, the University of Texas has easily had over 40 four star players each year for a decade and has not produced much in the way of results while Miami did not go under the 40 player threshold until Shannon's reign. But having highly rated players certainly raises the odds of success.

For a quick further comparison of roster strength in during 2006 and 2013 (the lowest year), let's look at the number of 4 and 5 star players by position. And I'll throw in 2014 as well just for fun:

Quarterback:
2006: (2) Freeman, Wright
2013: (1) Olsen
2014: (2) KAYAA, Olsen

Wide Receiver:
2006: (4) Moore, Jenkins, Leggett, Shields
2013: (2) Coley, Lewis
2014: (3) BERRIOS, Coley, Lewis

Tight End:
2006: (5) Epps, Farr, Fox, Gordon, Olsen
2013: (1) Sandland
2014: (1) Sandland

Running Back:
2006: (4) Moss, J James, Johnson, Jones
2013: (2) Clements, Johnson
2014: (2) Johnson, YEARBY

Offensive Line:
2006: (5) Pou, Brain, Barney, Trump, Youngblood
2013: (4) Bunche, Flowers, Henderson, Linder
2014: (5) Bunche, DARLING, GIBBONS, Flowers, MCDERMOTT

Defensive Line:
2006: (11) Abdallah, Anderson, Brown, Campbell, Dixon, Franklin, Harris, Hendricks, Holmes, Moncur, Pata
2013: (5) Chickillo, Hamilton, McCord, Muhammad, L Robinson
2014: (7) Chickillo, Hamilton, JACKSON, McCord, MOTEN, Muhammad, C THOMAS

Linebacker:
2006: (5) Adkins, Beason, Bryant, Gooden, Robinson
2013: (2) Grace, Kirby
2014: (2) Grace, Kirby

Defensive Backs:
2006: (6) Cooper, Johnson, K Philips, R Philips, Sharpe, Walden
2013: (5) Burns, Bush, Carter, Elder, Howard
2014: (6) Burns, Bush, Carter, Elder, HESTER, Howard

Special Teams:
2006: (1) Peattie
2013: none
2014: none
 
Miami82 said:
A friend of mine sent this to me weeks ago. Some article on the net.

Hurricanes (4 and 5 star player totals):

2006: 46
2007: 45
2008: 42
2009: 42
2010: 40
2011: 28
2012: 28
2013: 23
2014: 27

Having 40 or more 4 and 5 star players is of course not a guarantee for success. For example, the University of Texas has easily had over 40 four star players each year for a decade and has not produced much in the way of results while Miami did not go under the 40 player threshold until Shannon's reign. But having highly rated players certainly raises the odds of success.

For a quick further comparison of roster strength in during 2006 and 2013 (the lowest year), let's look at the number of 4 and 5 star players by position. And I'll throw in 2014 as well just for fun:

Quarterback:
2006: (2) Freeman, Wright
2013: (1) Olsen
2014: (2) KAYAA, Olsen

Wide Receiver:
2006: (4) Moore, Jenkins, Leggett, Shields
2013: (2) Coley, Lewis
2014: (3) BERRIOS, Coley, Lewis

Tight End:
2006: (5) Epps, Farr, Fox, Gordon, Olsen
2013: (1) Sandland
2014: (1) Sandland

Running Back:
2006: (4) Moss, J James, Johnson, Jones
2013: (2) Clements, Johnson
2014: (2) Johnson, YEARBY

Offensive Line:
2006: (5) Pou, Brain, Barney, Trump, Youngblood
2013: (4) Bunche, Flowers, Henderson, Linder
2014: (5) Bunche, DARLING, GIBBONS, Flowers, MCDERMOTT

Defensive Line:
2006: (11) Abdallah, Anderson, Brown, Campbell, Dixon, Franklin, Harris, Hendricks, Holmes, Moncur, Pata
2013: (5) Chickillo, Hamilton, McCord, Muhammad, L Robinson
2014: (7) Chickillo, Hamilton, JACKSON, McCord, MOTEN, Muhammad, C THOMAS

Linebacker:
2006: (5) Adkins, Beason, Bryant, Gooden, Robinson
2013: (2) Grace, Kirby
2014: (2) Grace, Kirby

Defensive Backs:
2006: (6) Cooper, Johnson, K Philips, R Philips, Sharpe, Walden
2013: (5) Burns, Bush, Carter, Elder, Howard
2014: (6) Burns, Bush, Carter, Elder, HESTER, Howard

Special Teams:
2006: (1) Peattie
2013: none
2014: none
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When you look at that list you don't see guys who are future pros.
Perryman, Feliciano, elder McDermott, Gunter, Dorsett, Olsen Pierre.
Maybe Figs, Isidora, Dobard.

Player development anyone?

I see 6 guys who will be drafted next year who the star whores would have written off as JAG's after their freshman year.
 
What 6 do you see drafted next year? That is an amazingly sad statistic. Showed just how poorly we have recruited in the last bunch of years. It also shows how much it has affected this current staff. Just look at the past two classes, and especially this last one now that the "cloud" is gone. I think the reason this recruiting cycle is slowing down is because there is so much to be desired from the staff as a whole. I think if we can get to ten wins we will land a great class. I think last yrs was a really good class as well, and had the chance to be amazing. Thanks for posting the info...
 
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frostycane said:
What 6 do you see drafted next year? That is an amazingly sad statistic. Showed just how poorly we have recruited in the last bunch of years. It also shows how much it has affected this current staff. Just look at the past two classes, and especially this last one now that the "cloud" is gone. I think the reason this recruiting cycle is slowing down is because there is so much to be desired from the staff as a whole. I think if we can get to ten wins we will land a great class. I think last yrs was a really good class as well, and had the chance to be amazing. Thanks for posting the info...
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The six I had listed.
Perryman, Feliciano. McDermott will be a late round pick. Pierre is physically the ideal 3-4 end and shows versatility playing DT as well. He will be drafted. Gunter will be a mid to late round pick as the NFL will continue its newfound infatuation with big corners.
Dorsett will be picked simply for his 4.3 speed plus he has ability.

That's six right there who, for star whores, were 3 star and under high school recruits.

Throw in Chickillo who will be a 3-5 round pick, Duke who could go anywhere from the 1st-3rd round, Flowers who could be a 1st-2nd round pick, and Tracy who, despite the haters, is a legit cover corner and will be a 2nd-3rd round pick, and you have some serious draft picks.
 
We are the 3rd most talented team on paper yet we have a coach pumping excuses and fans slurping it up

Win or GTFO
 
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