Style Points Matter not Strength of Schedule,

[zone3cane]

I personally think it's a fine line that Miami needs to start walking.....

Miami doesnt have to keep pushing up the score but playing prevent defense w/ your starters on the field, just giving free points to the other team has to stop.

Also I agree w/ Consigliere that all that's going to matter is the Ws in the end.... the top 10 is still going to change a lot before the season is over. So the style points will have less relevance but as of right now, the media is downplaying Miami b/c we let up on teams and then when we do get the lead, we do stupid **** like play scared Prevent that never works.

 

[zone3cane]

I don't think Al is putting in the backups to be nice. He puts in the backups for the valuable chance to get in game reps and to avoid injury to the starters. As far as style points, the only game where the style points mattered to me is slightly against UF. Those tools would have nothing to say if we won by 2 scores. They would still say UF gave the game away, but a 2 score lead still makes it look like we handled business. USF was a blowout either way. GT was indicative of what the game really was.

We got jumped in the rankings, because we were on TV alone in front of a national audience, when all the analysts and voters could watch, and we looked horrible. If it had been a regular saturday game, a whole lot less people would have watched it and analysts would see the few highlights, but not see how bad it was in its entirety. It would have been Miami looked bad with 4 int because we saw the highlights, instead of miami looked like a dumpster fire and were lucky enough to win and everyone saw it.

I will say dnofrio needs to work on the prevent defense. Why don't we just play a deep cover 3 or 4 and put a couple more guys in a deeper mid level zone to stop all this garbage underneath routes.

AL Golden said after the uSF game that he didnt want to seem like he was running up the score "b/c he knows what it's like to be on that side" and didnt want to do that to USF.... that's being nice.

It's good to get players more experience, but when the other team is going hard still, Miami needs to keep doing the same.

 

[Notsince1985]

Stanford didn't jump us. Voters don't think Stanford losing to Utah is better than Miami beating UNC.

The BCS projection had Stanford ranked ahead of Miami even though they lost to Utah.

That's not voters though

 

[Notsince1985]

I don't think Al is putting in the backups to be nice. He puts in the backups for the valuable chance to get in game reps and to avoid injury to the starters. As far as style points, the only game where the style points mattered to me is slightly against UF. Those tools would have nothing to say if we won by 2 scores. They would still say UF gave the game away, but a 2 score lead still makes it look like we handled business. USF was a blowout either way. GT was indicative of what the game really was.

We got jumped in the rankings, because we were on TV alone in front of a national audience, when all the analysts and voters could watch, and we looked horrible. If it had been a regular saturday game, a whole lot less people would have watched it and analysts would see the few highlights, but not see how bad it was in its entirety. It would have been Miami looked bad with 4 int because we saw the highlights, instead of miami looked like a dumpster fire and were lucky enough to win and everyone saw it.

I will say dnofrio needs to work on the prevent defense. Why don't we just play a deep cover 3 or 4 and put a couple more guys in a deeper mid level zone to stop all this garbage underneath routes.

AL Golden said after the uSF game that he didnt want to seem like he was running up the score "b/c he knows what it's like to be on that side" and didnt want to do that to USF.... that's being nice.

It's good to get players more experience, but when the other team is going hard still, Miami needs to keep doing the same.

I love Al, but I don't take everything he says at face value. He's a politician, and a football coach. He always says the right thing. He's not going to say he runs up the score or wants to. Doesn't means it literally.

 

[motorcitycane]

I don't think Al is putting in the backups to be nice. He puts in the backups for the valuable chance to get in game reps and to avoid injury to the starters. As far as style points, the only game where the style points mattered to me is slightly against UF. Those tools would have nothing to say if we won by 2 scores. They would still say UF gave the game away, but a 2 score lead still makes it look like we handled business. USF was a blowout either way. GT was indicative of what the game really was.

We got jumped in the rankings, because we were on TV alone in front of a national audience, when all the analysts and voters could watch, and we looked horrible. If it had been a regular saturday game, a whole lot less people would have watched it and analysts would see the few highlights, but not see how bad it was in its entirety. It would have been Miami looked bad with 4 int because we saw the highlights, instead of miami looked like a dumpster fire and were lucky enough to win and everyone saw it.

I will say dnofrio needs to work on the prevent defense. Why don't we just play a deep cover 3 or 4 and put a couple more guys in a deeper mid level zone to stop all this garbage underneath routes.

AL Golden said after the uSF game that he didnt want to seem like he was running up the score "b/c he knows what it's like to be on that side" and didnt want to do that to USF.... that's being nice.

It's good to get players more experience, but when the other team is going hard still, Miami needs to keep doing the same.

I love Al, but I don't take everything he says at face value. He's a politician, and a football coach. He always says the right thing. He's not going to say he runs up the score or wants to. Doesn't means it literally.

This

 

[miamicanesfan5x]

When it comes to the computers, which are 1/3 of the BCS calculation, strength of schedule matters and style points do not. The computers used to take into account margin of victory, but it was removed (or given no weight above a certain margin) to keep teams from running up the score.

Here's what the Anderson & Hester computer site says:

1. Unlike the polls, these rankings do not reward teams for running up scores. Teams are rewarded for beating quality opponents, which is the object of the game. Posting large margins of victory, which is not the object of the game, is not considered.

2. Unlike the polls, these rankings do not prejudge teams. These rankings first appear after the season's fifth week, and each team's ranking reflects its actual accomplishments — on the field, to date — not its perceived potential.

3. These rankings compute the most accurate strength of schedule ratings. Each team's opponents and opponents' opponents are judged not only by their won-lost records but also, uniquely, by their conferences' strength (see #4).

4. These rankings provide the most accurate conference ratings. Each conference is rated according to its non-conference won-lost record and the difficulty of its non-conference schedule.

http://andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I disagree that its all Al calling off the dogs to avoid the appearance of running up the score. I think another critical factor is that the coaches feel we don't have the depth to risk playing our 1's any later than we really need to.

I do think we could be a little more aggressive in terms of not allowing other teams to score at the end of games though.

All of this.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

You know who is affecting the perception of how "good" Miami truly is in the eyes of everybody? Stephen ******* Morris. If he doesn't throw 6 INTs against Ga Tech and UNC we win both of those games without breaking a sweat.

 

[Gatorhater]

Style points always matter. FSU has always run up scores. Bobby was straight up about it never denied it, but for some reason never got blamed for it. We have only one course to NCs, win every game. That is own only chance. They will steal any title chance from us they can if we let them. We have to go undefeated. Mizzo is up there incase they beat Bama in the sec title game, so bama can come right back and paly them again in the NC.

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

You know who is affecting the perception of how "good" Miami truly is in the eyes of everybody? Stephen ****ing Morris. If he doesn't throw 6 INTs against Ga Tech and UNC we win both of those games without breaking a sweat.

He is Dan Marino brah

 

[Onion]

Our place in the rankings reveals an extreme bias in voters' minds. Here's how the system works...
1) Voters has a preconceived notion of teams' relative strengths based on past experience
2) Voters, like all human beings, do not like admitting they're wrong
3) To save face, voters adjust their votes as little as possible from their original ideas
4) The result is that "strong teams" (in the voters' minds) tend to rise quickly following a win and fall slowly after a loss. It's the opposite for their disliked team
5) Few voters like Miami, so they want to think of them as struggling and weak.
6) The product of this is that our wins are discredited and move us slowly forward and our losses quickly back
7) TA-DA, if we lose it's a self fulfilling prophecy
8) if we win, it's a "nobody saw this coming" moment

They refuse to see the truth. We are a dangerous and powerful team

 

[zellerdog]

just so i understand...zone you are charging golden with knowingly and willfully taking his foot off the gas because he cares what other people think more than he cares about miami?

reaching pretty far man.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

You guys are some serious homers man. Miami has played a poor schedule thus far and has not looked all that impressive at times during the season. Miami should be happy right now with their ranking and do something about it against FSU and Va Tech.

 

[zone3cane]

You guys are some serious homers man. Miami has played a poor schedule thus far and has not looked all that impressive at times during the season. Miami should be happy right now with their ranking and do something about it against FSU and Va Tech.

lol @ this **** about being some serious homers.....it's called fans.

Miami hasnt played a poor schedule at all.... everybody's schedule is weak.

The only game Miami struggled against was a in-state rivalry against Florida, the 1st half of GT, and of course UNC. I dont get this **** about Miami hasntt looked impressive.

Mizzou hasnt played anybody either.... the point is the style points is what's in these voters minds.

 

[zone3cane]

just so i understand...zone you are charging golden with knowingly and willfully taking his foot off the gas because he cares what other people think more than he cares about miami?

reaching pretty far man.

I think Al Golden would take his foot off the gas b/c he thinks it's in the best interest of Miami to not blow teams out.... maybe from a PR perspective b/c of the NCAA situation or maybe it's just b/c he thinks it's in bad taste.

But he probably is making a calculated judgement based on the fact that he cant risk injuries to certain positions if it's unnecessary

 

[Notsince1985]

You guys are some serious homers man. Miami has played a poor schedule thus far and has not looked all that impressive at times during the season. Miami should be happy right now with their ranking and do something about it against FSU and Va Tech.

Please tell me the strong opponents Missouri and Baylor played. I'm eagerly awaiting your answer.

 

[The Franchise]

And if Morris hadn't gone all Son of Rix on us, and we'd won by 24, no one would care about the MOV.

It doesn't matter either way. Keep winning.

and thats exactly why you try to get style points when you can so you can have that in ur pocket b/c a team may struggle at any point.

Instead voters think that Stanford losing to an unranked Utah team is better then Miami winning a close game to UNC.

No, they think Stanford beating #9 UCLA by 14 is better than beating UNC by the skin of your teeth.

And they're right about that. Again, what have you done for me lately?

I wonder how they feel if we lost to an unranked opponent (i.e. Utah). Let's move on. This argument is terrible, a loss should trump all but these voters don't care.

Exactly. Dudes are now acting like Stanford didn't lose to unranked Utah just 2 short weeks ago. These voters are wishy washy assh0les who get duped by the puppets on ESPN because they can't think for themselves.

 

[The Franchise]

You guys are some serious homers man. Miami has played a poor schedule thus far and has not looked all that impressive at times during the season. Miami should be happy right now with their ranking and do something about it against FSU and Va Tech.

A Miami message board is usually a pretty good place to find homers for Miami even though there is a large contingent of detached analytical assh0les on here who pride themselves in playing everything down the middle and giving other programs and players the benefit of the doubt over UM.

 

[The Franchise]

You guys are some serious homers man. Miami has played a poor schedule thus far and has not looked all that impressive at times during the season. Miami should be happy right now with their ranking and do something about it against FSU and Va Tech.

Please tell me the strong opponents Missouri and Baylor played. I'm eagerly awaiting your answer.

None of the fakes ever have an answer for that question.

 

[thebizzness]

Who gives a **** who is jumping us after week 8. Keep winning and you'll end up exactly where you want to be in the end.