Style Points Matter not Strength of Schedule,

[zone3cane]

Just wanna start a new thread on this topic.....

The perception of how "good" Miami truly is in the eyes of everybody including some Miami fans is the way it is, not b/c of how we played against UNC. Most teams have games like that every season where they have to find a way to win, when everything is going wrong.

What's going on is the fact that Al Golden is to nice of a Head Coach.... he is too concerned w/ worrying about other ppl, who already talk **** about Miami, and not wanting them to say we are being "poor sports", and he just thinks that all that matters is the W, not stats or the scoreboard.

That notion has distorted the perception of this team b/c now everyone thinks that Miami has struggled like we did against UNC, w/ every team on our schedule.... The Florida game Miami was up 21-9 late in the 4th, but then the defense starts playing Prevent, w/ 3 minutes left in the game, like the game was over. So the final score ends up bein 21-16 and now everyone is saying "Florida turned the ball over 5 times but only lost by 5 points"

Agains USF.... Miami was up 49-7 going into the 4th quarter. The Final Score ends up being 49-21. Al Golden was so concerned about "embarrassing" a team that didnt give a **** about us, that he was subbing players out in the 3rd and Miami didnt score at all in the 4th while allowing USF to score 2 extra TDs. Now that game looks closer then it really was, when the score shouldve been around 70-14. Stephen Morris wanted us to keep running up the score, but Al Golden didnt.

Against GT....the score was 45-23 w/ 1:08 seconds left. Instead of just letting the starters just play out the final 60 seconds, Al subs everyone out and lets that POS Paul Johnson score a latte TD w/ 10 seconds left in the game.

My point is Style Points Matter..... it has nothing to do w/ Strength of Schedule, every team in CFB has a debatable SOS.

Bama blows out that garbage Arkansas team 52-0, Miami wouldve let them score 21 points just so they wont feel bad.... that type of stuff makes us look worse. Jimbo was blowing out Clemson in the 3rd quarter and still didnt want them to score another point. Miami needs to get on that level and Al Golden is the only one that can make that happen.

 

[Notsince1985]

We didn't get jumped by Missouri because we beat USF 49-21 instead of 49-7 or 63-7. We got jumped by Missouri because the voters are in love with the SEC, and they live in a "what have you done for me lately" world and they see wins over UF and UGA and are impressed even though anyone with a brain isn't impressed.

Baylor is scoring points at a video game rate, so I'll give you that.

As for some of your other points, we also scored 2 TDs very late against GT too, so it's not like we had a 20+ point lead the entire game and they tacked on a garbage TD to make it look close. That was a close game and 15 points was a better indication of how that game really went than 22 was in reality.

And, Al put some of the starters back in against USF, or at least put Williams back in when Crow **** the bed, and probably would have put Morris back in if he wouldn't have gotten hurt earlier.

I have no problem with playing backups with a minute left up 22 against GT. Did you see how many starters got hurt in the secondary against UNC? What if Jenkins and Bush couldn't have gone back in and Rodgers was already out? I want the backups to get game experience at some point so they'd be ready if something like that happens. I'd rather not keep the starters in just to keep GT from scoring for "style" points and then it comes back to cost an actual game later on.

 

[CaneMutiny06]

I disagree that its all Al calling off the dogs to avoid the appearance of running up the score. I think another critical factor is that the coaches feel we don't have the depth to risk playing our 1's any later than we really need to.

I do think we could be a little more aggressive in terms of not allowing other teams to score at the end of games though.

 

[Consigliere]

ADAT

 

[zone3cane]

We didn't get jumped by Missouri because we beat USF 49-21 instead of 49-7 or 63-7. We got jumped by Missouri because the voters are in love with the SEC, and they live in a "what have you done for me lately" world and they see wins over UF and UGA and are impressed even though anyone with a brain isn't impressed.

Baylor is scoring points at a video game rate, so I'll give you that.

As for some of your other points, we also scored 2 TDs very late against GT too, so it's not like we had a 20+ point lead the entire game and they tacked on a garbage TD to make it look close. That was a close game and 15 points was a better indication of how that game really went than 22 was in reality.

I just think if the Florida game was a 21-9 score instead of 21-16, if the USF game was a 60-7 score instead of a 49-21 score, and if the GT game was 45-23, instead of 45-30.... Miami would have a better national perception.


That's what everyone is looking at.... the Final Score.

 

[Biscuits]

That's what everyone is looking at.... the Final Score of the UNC game.

fify

 

[zone3cane]

That's what everyone is looking at.... the Final Score of the UNC game.

fify

lol see the UNC game wouldnt have been that big of a deal if the record showed Miami was blowing the lid off of teams before that.... it just wouldve looked more like Miami got caught up in a trap game but battled through it and won.

Now everyone is saying Miami has looked like how we did against UNC versus every team that we played..... Lou and Mark May made it seemed like Miami struggled to beat Sav. St this year.

 

[zone3cane]

I have no problem with playing backups with a minute left up 22 against GT. Did you see how many starters got hurt in the secondary against UNC? What if Jenkins and Bush couldn't have gone back in and Rodgers was already out? I want the backups to get game experience at some point so they'd be ready if something like that happens. I'd rather not keep the starters in just to keep GT from scoring for "style" points and then it comes back to cost an actual game later on.

That's a fair point.... Miami cant afford losing key players b/c of trying to get some style points, but calling off the dawgs is the main reason why Miami is perceived to be so "overrated"

I agree but it also doesnt make sense for example when you leave ur starters out on the field like we did against Florida and UNC, but put them in prevent so the other team can score.

 

[Biscuits]

And if Morris hadn't gone all Son of Rix on us, and we'd won by 24, no one would care about the MOV.

It doesn't matter either way. Keep winning.

 

[Notsince1985]

I have no problem with playing backups with a minute left up 22 against GT. Did you see how many starters got hurt in the secondary against UNC? What if Jenkins and Bush couldn't have gone back in and Rodgers was already out? I want the backups to get game experience at some point so they'd be ready if something like that happens. I'd rather not keep the starters in just to keep GT from scoring for "style" points and then it comes back to cost an actual game later on.

That's a fair point.... Miami cant afford losing key players b/c of trying to get some style points, but calling off the dawgs is the main reason why Miami is perceived to be so "overrated"

I agree but it also doesnt make sense for example when you leave ur starters out on the field like we did against Florida and UNC, but put them in prevent so the other team can score.

I don't think Miami is considered overrated because they beat GT 45-30 instead of 45-23 and beat UF 21-16 instead of 21-9 (that wasn't calling off the dogs so to speak) and USF 49-21 instead of name your score to 7. They are considered overrated because they've played a relatively weak schedule and had a close call against 1-4 UNC. Sure if we beat everyone like Baylor did it would be different, but aside from USF, we weren't going to beat any of those teams like Baylor has done anyway.

 

[zone3cane]

And if Morris hadn't gone all Son of Rix on us, and we'd won by 24, no one would care about the MOV.

It doesn't matter either way. Keep winning.

and thats exactly why you try to get style points when you can so you can have that in ur pocket b/c a team may struggle at any point.

Instead voters think that Stanford losing to an unranked Utah team is better then Miami winning a close game to UNC.

 

[407cane]

We didn't get jumped by Missouri because we beat USF 49-21 instead of 49-7 or 63-7. We got jumped by Missouri because the voters are in love with the SEC, and they live in a "what have you done for me lately" world and they see wins over UF and UGA and are impressed even though anyone with a brain isn't impressed.

Baylor is scoring points at a video game rate, so I'll give you that.

As for some of your other points, we also scored 2 TDs very late against GT too, so it's not like we had a 20+ point lead the entire game and they tacked on a garbage TD to make it look close. That was a close game and 15 points was a better indication of how that game really went than 22 was in reality.

And, Al put some of the starters back in against USF, or at least put Williams back in when Crow **** the bed, and probably would have put Morris back in if he wouldn't have gotten hurt earlier.

I have no problem with playing backups with a minute left up 22 against GT. Did you see how many starters got hurt in the secondary against UNC? What if Jenkins and Bush couldn't have gone back in and Rodgers was already out? I want the backups to get game experience at some point so they'd be ready if something like that happens. I'd rather not keep the starters in just to keep GT from scoring for "style" points and then it comes back to cost an actual game later on.

agreed. We got jumped because on national television during prime time our qb played a true freshman and we were lucky to beat a terrible 1-4 UNC team. These voters are smart enough to look at the scoring summary and understand that 49-21 against usf was not as close as it appeared but we needed to come up big against unc and we didn't. I'm just happy with the win.

Nothing matters until after fsu. If we beat them we won't be jumped by any average team and if we lose we will be below some of these teams anyways

 

[Notsince1985]

Stanford didn't jump us. Voters don't think Stanford losing to Utah is better than Miami beating UNC.

 

[Biscuits]

And if Morris hadn't gone all Son of Rix on us, and we'd won by 24, no one would care about the MOV.

It doesn't matter either way. Keep winning.

and thats exactly why you try to get style points when you can so you can have that in ur pocket b/c a team may struggle at any point.

Instead voters think that Stanford losing to an unranked Utah team is better then Miami winning a close game to UNC.

No, they think Stanford beating #9 UCLA by 14 is better than beating UNC by the skin of your teeth.

And they're right about that. Again, what have you done for me lately?

 

[poncho0091]

I don't think Al is putting in the backups to be nice. He puts in the backups for the valuable chance to get in game reps and to avoid injury to the starters. As far as style points, the only game where the style points mattered to me is slightly against UF. Those tools would have nothing to say if we won by 2 scores. They would still say UF gave the game away, but a 2 score lead still makes it look like we handled business. USF was a blowout either way. GT was indicative of what the game really was.

We got jumped in the rankings, because we were on TV alone in front of a national audience, when all the analysts and voters could watch, and we looked horrible. If it had been a regular saturday game, a whole lot less people would have watched it and analysts would see the few highlights, but not see how bad it was in its entirety. It would have been Miami looked bad with 4 int because we saw the highlights, instead of miami looked like a dumpster fire and were lucky enough to win and everyone saw it.

I will say dnofrio needs to work on the prevent defense. Why don't we just play a deep cover 3 or 4 and put a couple more guys in a deeper mid level zone to stop all this garbage underneath routes.

 

[Consigliere]

Here is the real deal, since you missed it.

All Miami has done this year is win. We have beaten everyone on our schedule and we're 6-0. Now I know it would have been cool to beat UNC by 15+ but we would still would have beaten a team that was 1-4. As for the USF game it was a blowout and the late scoring against our third team and walk-ons is irrelevant.

(To the board)

Some of you don't know how to act at this point because you never know how to act at all. Some of you are waiting around to expose flaws because you want to say I TOLD YOU SO. Some of you (and they exist) are waiting for us to lose because you are too proud to admit things are drastically different but they are not being done the way you wanted them done. Stop with all this bull s.hit. Trust the process and enjoy the ride.

Everyone needs to relax. When we beat WF, it will do nothing to improve our ranking at all. We will be beating a team we should beat (like UNC) but at least we will remain on track for objecting bigger goals (ACC Champ, BCS etc.). So these voters don't care about Miami because apparently we should be 7-0 at this point in the year and we're 6-0.

We have a big time test in 2 weeks but let's handle wake before then.

 

[zone3cane]

Stanford didn't jump us. Voters don't think Stanford losing to Utah is better than Miami beating UNC.

The BCS projection had Stanford ranked ahead of Miami even though they lost to Utah.

 

[Consigliere]

And if Morris hadn't gone all Son of Rix on us, and we'd won by 24, no one would care about the MOV.

It doesn't matter either way. Keep winning.

and thats exactly why you try to get style points when you can so you can have that in ur pocket b/c a team may struggle at any point.

Instead voters think that Stanford losing to an unranked Utah team is better then Miami winning a close game to UNC.

No, they think Stanford beating #9 UCLA by 14 is better than beating UNC by the skin of your teeth.

And they're right about that. Again, what have you done for me lately?

I wonder how they feel if we lost to an unranked opponent (i.e. Utah). Let's move on. This argument is terrible, a loss should trump all but these voters don't care.

 

[zone3cane]

And if Morris hadn't gone all Son of Rix on us, and we'd won by 24, no one would care about the MOV.

It doesn't matter either way. Keep winning.

and thats exactly why you try to get style points when you can so you can have that in ur pocket b/c a team may struggle at any point.

Instead voters think that Stanford losing to an unranked Utah team is better then Miami winning a close game to UNC.

No, they think Stanford beating #9 UCLA by 14 is better than beating UNC by the skin of your teeth.

And they're right about that. Again, what have you done for me lately?

no they're not UCLA almost lost to Utah too.... the entire Pac 12 is overrated outside of Oregon.

 

[zone3cane]

I wonder how they feel if we lost to an unranked opponent (i.e. Utah). Let's move on. This argument is terrible, a loss should trump all but these voters don't care.

Miami loses to Utah, and we wouldnt get back in the top 25 at all this year.