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I am not posting this to bash Swasey or Golden but I do wonder if our S and C program is out of date.

The other day I read this article in the NY times about Stanford's S and C program and then I saw it posted on another forum so I thought I would post it here because I think it is an interesting read.

I always hear Golden and Swassey talk about weight room numbers and how much guys are benching, but I think many programs and NFL teams are moving away from that kind of thinking. This is just my hunch, I could be wrong, for all I know we are doing many of things that Stanford does. BTW, their coach was just awarded by some group as the S and C coach of the year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/s...inct-training-regimen-redefines-strength.html

I also stumbled upon a a bleacher report article, I'm not the biggest bleacher fan, but I think it is also a good read.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...inside-the-stanford-football-strength-program
 
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The Stanford article is great. Functional strength is the key not just numbers for individual movements. Also flexibility means more strength. The more flexible you are the larger range of motion you can produce force (low man wins). I can't bring myself to read a bleacher report sorry.
 
I give any credence to the argument that our admissions standards are too high, and we can't get solid talent. Even if you were to give weight to that argument, however, this proves that you can still win with high admissions standards:

Stanford lost quarterback Andrew Luck, running back Toby Gerhart and Coach Jim Harbaugh to the N.F.L., and yet the Cardinal will make their fourth consecutive Bowl Championship Series appearance Wednesday in the Rose Bowl against Michigan State. The year before Turley arrived, Stanford went 1-11.
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compleatp said:
The Stanford article is great. Functional strength is the key not just numbers for individual movements. Also flexibility means more strength. The more flexible you are the larger range of motion you can produce force (low man wins). I can't bring myself to read a bleacher report sorry.
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ive been saying this for a few years as well. Muschamp shifted hard to the Olympic lifting program after his initial problems, and his defenses went through the roof. Obviously, this year turned into a disaster for them, but that defense will be back in short order.
 
We had a bunch of big, supposed NFL talent on OL and they got blasted off the line by teams that were 60+ pounds lighter per man, like WF.

We HAVE NO S & C program!
 
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Their strength coach is a scientist. He is innovative, constantly looking for answers, and uses quantitative data and the laws of physics to maximize the athleticism of his players.

We have an uneducated jack off whose best skill is beig friends with alum. TEN YEARS of being a joke physically.
 
WildcatDefense said:
We do Olympic lifts.
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I'm sure the team does Olympic lifts, but it does at least seem that the players are not getting as much out of the S and C program as they should. Though it could just be a lack of talent. Assuming Golden stays, I think how this current recruiting class develops will be a good barometer of where the team's S and C program is at.
 
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GoldenShowers said:
Their strength coach is a scientist. He is innovative, constantly looking for answers, and uses quantitative data and the laws of physics to maximize the athleticism of his players.

We have an uneducated jack off whose best skill is beig friends with alum. TEN YEARS of being a joke physically.
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I lost all confidence in Swasey after the 2005 Peach Bowl disaster. We physically had our sh*t pushed in by LSU. Not been the same team ever since.
 
crimson_cane said:
WildcatDefense said:
We do Olympic lifts.
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I'm sure the team does Olympic lifts, but it does at least seem that the players are not getting as much out of the S and C program as they should. Though it could just be a lack of talent. Assuming Golden stays, I think how this current recruiting class develops will be a good barometer of where the team's S and C program is at.
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talent > strength numbers

Not saying S&C isn't important, but I don't think it's our issue. Our issue lies with talent and coordination.
 
WildcatDefense said:
crimson_cane said:
WildcatDefense said:
We do Olympic lifts.
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I'm sure the team does Olympic lifts, but it does at least seem that the players are not getting as much out of the S and C program as they should. Though it could just be a lack of talent. Assuming Golden stays, I think how this current recruiting class develops will be a good barometer of where the team's S and C program is at.
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talent > strength numbers

Not saying S&C isn't important, but I don't think it's our issue. Our issue lies with talent and coordination.
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This.

S&C arguments always bring out the morons.
 
JHallCanes said:
WildcatDefense said:
crimson_cane said:
WildcatDefense said:
We do Olympic lifts.
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I'm sure the team does Olympic lifts, but it does at least seem that the players are not getting as much out of the S and C program as they should. Though it could just be a lack of talent. Assuming Golden stays, I think how this current recruiting class develops will be a good barometer of where the team's S and C program is at.
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talent > strength numbers

Not saying S&C isn't important, but I don't think it's our issue. Our issue lies with talent and coordination.
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This.

S&C arguments always bring out the morons.
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You must be one of the morons you're talking about
 
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In todays game, SC is crucial. That's all that needs to be said. We have a middle of the pack guy in Swasey and it shows. Our nutrition and supplement program is a complete joke as well. Hopefully Blake James upgrades some of the departments that aid in the football development.
 
I've said this numerous times on here, better football players are what this team needs. Football coaches and football players are far more important than a top 10 or even top 100 strength coach. Rule #1, bar none, in collegiate S&C is "Do no harm". Keeping the kids on the field is number one in team sports where skill and technique dominates. It's not the same as a training program for a weightlifter or powerlifter where their training is their sport.

It matters but it's overstated by a lot of people.
 
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Moar swasey threads!!!!!

It's the offseason!!!! Same bull **** *****ed about every offseason
 
Very interesting read, thanks for the post. Btw the Stanford s&c coach explained he isn't interested in Olympic lift numbers..it's the efficiency of the athletes movement he's looking at. His claim to fame from what I read in the article is building lean muscle, functional strength, and above all, injury prevention.
The O-linemen that was featured in the article could barely bench over 300lbs but I'm sure his hips are much more explosive, fluid, flexible then the majority of the guys in our trenches..my two cents
 
crimson_cane said:
WildcatDefense said:
We do Olympic lifts.
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I'm sure the team does Olympic lifts, but it does at least seem that the players are not getting as much out of the S and C program as they should. Though it could just be a lack of talent. Assuming Golden stays, I think how this current recruiting class develops will be a good barometer of where the team's S and C program is at.
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Miami's major issue with its offensive line play is this: Most of its kids do not have the necessary lateral quickness for a zone blocking scheme. You need a more much athletic kid. It took two years but Harland Gunn is now on an NFL roster. He was as strong as any kid we've had in the last 30 years at guard. When he got beat we got beat against a quick guy.
 
Let me get this straight. I've been reading threads for years on here and grassy about how weak our bench numbers are and teams like LSU and FSU have 137 guys benching 400+. Now the problem is that we focus too much on bench. Got it. Just want to make sure I'm up on the latest s&c incoherent ramblings.
 
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