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Sebastian91,

I was talking about UNC. It is of my opinion, when you're down 2 scores in the 4th quarter and 75% of your plays are on the ground that you have taken the ball out of the QB's hands. I would normally agree with you too but our best RB was out of the game since the first quarter and they continued to pound the ball on 20 of our last 27 plays. Dallas is not Duke but they stuck with him. I think they limited Morris given that he threw 4 INTs and 1 in the 4th quarter.

When you're down 2 scores in the 4th quarter, would you agree that you need to score quickly?

I also think they took the ball out of his hands because UNC was stacking the box and expected the run but we continued to run the ball. We didn't even try some playaction (which would have killed them). On the last drive we started with the ball on our 10 yards line, with 4:11 left. What did we do? We ran the ball 5 straight plays. 4 times on 1st and 10.

If I trust my QB, I am running playaction and hurting them because they are cheating (stacking the box). That is me. You don't throw the ball 20 times out of 27 total plays with the backup running back unless your QB is having extreme difficulty throwing the ball.

Now I understand what you are saying, that the time left dictated that we need to run the ball (kill the clock). I just think that running the ball was the only thing we did consistently and successfully.
 
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Consigliere said:
Sebastian91,

I was talking about UNC. It is of my opinion, when you're down 2 scores in the 4th quarter and 75% of your plays are on the ground that you have taken the ball out of the QB's hands. I would normally agree with you too but our best RB was out of the game since the first quarter and they continued to pound the ball on 20 of our last 27 plays. Dallas is not Duke but they stuck with him. I think they limited Morris given that he threw 4 INTs and 1 in the 4th quarter.

When you're down 2 scores in the 4th quarter, would you agree that you need to score quickly?

I also think they took the ball out of his hands because UNC was stacking the box and expected the run but we continued to run the ball. We didn't even try some playaction (which would have killed them). On the last drive we started with the ball on our 10 yards line, with 4:11 left. What did we do? We ran the ball 5 straight plays. 4 times on 1st and 10.

If I trust my QB, I am running playaction and hurting them because they are cheating (stacking the box). That is me. You don't throw the ball 20 times out of 27 total plays with the backup running back unless your QB is having extreme difficulty throwing the ball.

Now I understand what you are saying, that the time left dictated that we need to run the ball (kill the clock). I just think that running the ball was the only thing we did consistently and successfully.
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Down 2 scores in the 4th Q, do we need to score quickly? Depends on how much time is left. The ONLY time that happened, we got the ball with over 14 minutes left, scored in 2:48 (7 plays, 75 yards...35 of which came on a pass play), and put the ball in Morris' hands the ONLY time we needed to (on 2nd and 12). In that situation, no, there's no need to be in any hurry. You have to get points, but you don't really care how long it takes (most drives being in the 5-6 minute range) because there's still going to be over half the quarter left when you kick it off back to them.

"On the last drive we started with the ball on our 10 yards line, with 4:11 left. What did we do? We ran the ball 5 straight plays. 4 times on 1st and 10."

The first 4 of those plays moved the chains 3 times and took us to midfield, so I fail to see the problem with that. The 5th one only picked up 2 yds, so the pass is now back in the mix...again, executed successfully to move the chains.

I fail to see why you would run play action on 1st down to "hurt them" when you're already "hurting them" by moving the chains on running plays and "hurting them" further by burning clock ("hurting them" via play action does not burn clock, not to mention the risk you take of having an incompletion and stopping the clock altogether...and, yes, the risk of an INT, too). If they aren't stopping you, keep running it until they do. Here's the other thing...being so successful running the ball in those drives undoubtedly made it easier for Morris to be as successful as he was when we needed him to throw. The ONLY incompletion he threw in those situations got us 15 yds on a PI.

So, there you go. I respect your opinion, but I'm also very glad you aren't our coach! (and I don't mean that in a dbag way)
 
sebastian91 said:
Consigliere said:
Sebastian91,

I was talking about UNC. It is of my opinion, when you're down 2 scores in the 4th quarter and 75% of your plays are on the ground that you have taken the ball out of the QB's hands. I would normally agree with you too but our best RB was out of the game since the first quarter and they continued to pound the ball on 20 of our last 27 plays. Dallas is not Duke but they stuck with him. I think they limited Morris given that he threw 4 INTs and 1 in the 4th quarter.

When you're down 2 scores in the 4th quarter, would you agree that you need to score quickly?

I also think they took the ball out of his hands because UNC was stacking the box and expected the run but we continued to run the ball. We didn't even try some playaction (which would have killed them). On the last drive we started with the ball on our 10 yards line, with 4:11 left. What did we do? We ran the ball 5 straight plays. 4 times on 1st and 10.

If I trust my QB, I am running playaction and hurting them because they are cheating (stacking the box). That is me. You don't throw the ball 20 times out of 27 total plays with the backup running back unless your QB is having extreme difficulty throwing the ball.

Now I understand what you are saying, that the time left dictated that we need to run the ball (kill the clock). I just think that running the ball was the only thing we did consistently and successfully.
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Down 2 scores in the 4th Q, do we need to score quickly? Depends on how much time is left. The ONLY time that happened, we got the ball with over 14 minutes left, scored in 2:48 (7 plays, 75 yards...35 of which came on a pass play), and put the ball in Morris' hands the ONLY time we needed to (on 2nd and 12). In that situation, no, there's no need to be in any hurry. You have to get points, but you don't really care how long it takes (most drives being in the 5-6 minute range) because there's still going to be over half the quarter left when you kick it off back to them.

"On the last drive we started with the ball on our 10 yards line, with 4:11 left. What did we do? We ran the ball 5 straight plays. 4 times on 1st and 10."

The first 4 of those plays moved the chains 3 times and took us to midfield, so I fail to see the problem with that. The 5th one only picked up 2 yds, so the pass is now back in the mix...again, executed successfully to move the chains.

I fail to see why you would run play action on 1st down to "hurt them" when you're already "hurting them" by moving the chains on running plays and "hurting them" further by burning clock ("hurting them" via play action does not burn clock, not to mention the risk you take of having an incompletion and stopping the clock altogether...and, yes, the risk of an INT, too). If they aren't stopping you, keep running it until they do. Here's the other thing...being so successful running the ball in those drives undoubtedly made it easier for Morris to be as successful as he was when we needed him to throw. The ONLY incompletion he threw in those situations got us 15 yds on a PI.

So, there you go. I respect your opinion, but I'm also very glad you aren't our coach! (and I don't mean that in a dbag way)
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That is fair. I am glad I am not the coach either. Feel free to call me a dbag, everyone i know does that already.
 
I just want to let you all know how very proud of you I am. 3 pages on Morris, and no one mentioned Bridgewater. I know this is a process, but I feel this is a big step forward for the board.
 
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