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[zone3cane]

Hey if your content wit 191 yards passing and not daring to use your qb when you need to win a game like we have the past two weeks than hey good for you. I think that Morris has the ability to be a 24-32 with 325yards type of qb week in week out. So when I see him throwing for meager numbers I wonder whats up. When I see us consistently not throwing late in games, trying to come back no less, it concerns me. There were many throws he missed on Saturday where guys made good catches, the out that was way behind Hurns, the deep ball to Coley that he had no right catching but did cause he a fuggin boss.

LOL you dont have a clue.....

his "meager" numbers are do the defense not being able to get off the field and not giving Morris and the offense a lot of opportunity to make plays. You do know James Coley calls a balanced offense so half the plays are going to be run plays when Miami does have the ball.

Why does it concern you that Miami has ran the ball late in games the last 2 games???? wtf r u talking about? The run game is used to run out the clock since the defense couldnt be trusted, and since Duke Johnson is ur best weapon and he's on fire then you use him. you are clueless smh Stephen Morris has had to win games for the team before so it should be a good thing if others can do the same.

And as far as this remark about Allen Hurns and Stacy Coley, r u serious? "There were throws that he missed on were guys made good catches".... lol only Cane fans. How many great catches have FSU's receivers bailed Winston out on? again you dont have a clue.... receivers are there to make plays to, but Stephen Morris has to put every ball on the money every time for you huh. smh wow.

 

[Consigliere]

Hey if your content wit 191 yards passing and not daring to use your qb when you need to win a game like we have the past two weeks than hey good for you. I think that Morris has the ability to be a 24-32 with 325yards type of qb week in week out. So when I see him throwing for meager numbers I wonder whats up. When I see us consistently not throwing late in games, trying to come back no less, it concerns me. There were many throws he missed on Saturday where guys made good catches, the out that was way behind Hurns, the deep ball to Coley that he had no right catching but did cause he a fuggin boss.

I personally really like Morris, I think the kid has the goods. I just hate seeing him not trust his mechanics and players they way he has been lately. I didnt mean to beat a dead horse. They were a few observations I made while watching the game.

Your right I am not a coach, however I do enjoy discussing the X's and O's of the game. With the access you can get on ESPN etc you can learn a lot about the game. Do you ever watch the qb stuff Gruden does every yr before the draft? Half of it is all about footwork. It doesn't take a professional to figure out you dont want your qb backpedaling while throwing even if he does complete it. Just because you have success does not make it right. I expect to see the Passing MVP of that college summer camp look better. And I think he can and will. He just needs to trust his mechanics and teammates.

I am with you 100%. I love Morris, I am one of his biggest fans but I see blatant issues. The ball (WF and UNC) has been taken out of his hands now in the 4th quarter twice, that is not a sign of confidence in your play caller IMO.

 

[zone3cane]

I am with you 100%. I love Morris, I am one of his biggest fans but I see blatant issues. The ball (WF and UNC) has been taken out of his hands now in the 4th quarter twice, that is not a sign of confidence in your play caller IMO.

smh dont have a clue

against UNC, Stephen Morris made 2 clutch/critical throws on the last drive that Miami needed to put us in position to win the game, and he threw 4 interceptions that game.

How is that "taking the ball out of his hands".... what r u talking about?

 

[cubin10]

it's the same **** every week.....

Morris mechanics, his footwork, REPEAT.... the **** is making me dizzy.

He went 17/28 against WF, 1 of the 11 drops were on Clive Walford who missed a wide open screen pass that wouldve went for a 1st down.

he did the smart play by throwing the ball away a couple more times in the game, so now we are talking about his mechanics based on 6-8 missed passes in the game.

wow

Whenever one looks up another's ****** what are they going to find?

 

[zone3cane]

Whenever one looks up another's ****** what are they going to find?

you tell me f*****, i'm not into all of that.

 

[NVA CANE]

10 pages

 

[Andrew]

You surely can complete passes even with bad foot work. 2 things Morris needs to work on is staying in the pocket and stepping up when he throws. A lot of his throws have come as he was moving backwards and with no pressure. He also has moved out of the pocket at times and put himself in worse situations.

 

[Consigliere]

I am with you 100%. I love Morris, I am one of his biggest fans but I see blatant issues. The ball (WF and UNC) has been taken out of his hands now in the 4th quarter twice, that is not a sign of confidence in your play caller IMO.

smh dont have a clue

against UNC, Stephen Morris made 2 clutch/critical throws on the last drive that Miami needed to put us in position to win the game, and he threw 4 interceptions that game.

How is that "taking the ball out of his hands".... what r u talking about?

Here is the play-by-play of the UNC game (4th Quarter)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=332900153&period=4

HERE IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

- We ran 27 plays total plays in the 4th quarter
- Of the 27 plays, 7 were pass plays (26%)
The last drive was 13 total plays, we started on the Miami 10 yard line with 4:11 left in the game.
- Of the last 13 plays (final drive), 3 were passing plays (23%)
- Of the last 13 plays, we ran the ball our first 5 plays.
- Of the last 7 plays, we ran the ball 5 times.

Morris's stat line from the 4th quarter: 4 for 7 69 Yards and 1 INT. Yes with the team down by double digits we ran the ball 20 times and scored both TDs on the ground.

You are unable to to discuss this in a fair manner, so we cannot discuss this. Find someone else.

 

[Consigliere]

You surely can complete passes even with bad foot work. 2 things Morris needs to work on is staying in the pocket and stepping up when he throws. A lot of his throws have come as he was moving backwards and with no pressure. He also has moved out of the pocket at times and put himself in worse situations.

Correct Andrew.

 

[dookie blaylock]

I am with you 100%. I love Morris, I am one of his biggest fans but I see blatant issues. The ball (WF and UNC) has been taken out of his hands now in the 4th quarter twice, that is not a sign of confidence in your play caller IMO.

smh dont have a clue

against UNC, Stephen Morris made 2 clutch/critical throws on the last drive that Miami needed to put us in position to win the game, and he threw 4 interceptions that game.

How is that "taking the ball out of his hands".... what r u talking about?

Here is the play-by-play of the UNC game (4th Quarter)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=332900153&period=4

HERE IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

- We ran 27 plays total plays in the 4th quarter
- Of the 27 plays, 7 were pass plays (26%)
The last drive was 13 total plays, we started on the Miami 10 yard line with 4:11 left in the game.
- Of the last 13 plays (final drive), 3 were passing plays (23%)
- Of the last 13 plays, we ran the ball our first 5 plays.
- Of the last 7 plays, we ran the ball 5 times.

Morris's stat line from the 4th quarter: 4 for 7 69 Yards and 1 INT. Yes with the team down by double digits we ran the ball 20 times and scored both TDs on the ground.

You are unable to to discuss this in a fair manner, so we cannot discuss this. Find someone else.

nonono you don't get it. he had a great performance because he managed to not over/underthrow 2 routine routes! never mind that he got us in the situation that we were in by throwing 4 interceptions.

 

[zone3cane]

You surely can complete passes even with bad foot work. 2 things Morris needs to work on is staying in the pocket and stepping up when he throws. A lot of his throws have come as he was moving backwards and with no pressure. He also has moved out of the pocket at times and put himself in worse situations.

I disagree that a lot of his throws have come as he was moving backwards w/ no pressure.... but i can accept that you can complete passes w/ bad footwork but Morris completely 17/28 passes against WF. No way most of those passes were completed w/ bad footwork.

 

[Consigliere]

I am with you 100%. I love Morris, I am one of his biggest fans but I see blatant issues. The ball (WF and UNC) has been taken out of his hands now in the 4th quarter twice, that is not a sign of confidence in your play caller IMO.

smh dont have a clue

against UNC, Stephen Morris made 2 clutch/critical throws on the last drive that Miami needed to put us in position to win the game, and he threw 4 interceptions that game.

How is that "taking the ball out of his hands".... what r u talking about?

Here is the play-by-play of the UNC game (4th Quarter)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=332900153&period=4

HERE IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

- We ran 27 plays total plays in the 4th quarter
- Of the 27 plays, 7 were pass plays (26%)
The last drive was 13 total plays, we started on the Miami 10 yard line with 4:11 left in the game.
- Of the last 13 plays (final drive), 3 were passing plays (23%)
- Of the last 13 plays, we ran the ball our first 5 plays.
- Of the last 7 plays, we ran the ball 5 times.

Morris's stat line from the 4th quarter: 4 for 7 69 Yards and 1 INT. Yes with the team down by double digits we ran the ball 20 times and scored both TDs on the ground.

You are unable to to discuss this in a fair manner, so we cannot discuss this. Find someone else.

nonono you don't get it. he had a great performance because he managed to not over/underthrow 2 routine routes! never mind that he got us in the situation that we were in by throwing 4 interceptions.

Shhhhh, when you're down 10 points in the 4th quarter. It is a known thing you will need to score a bunch of points quick. How did we score our 14 points? Two rushing touchdowns, 20 rushing plays out of 27 total plays....we clearly left the ball in Morris's hands.

 

[zone3cane]

I am with you 100%. I love Morris, I am one of his biggest fans but I see blatant issues. The ball (WF and UNC) has been taken out of his hands now in the 4th quarter twice, that is not a sign of confidence in your play caller IMO.

smh dont have a clue

against UNC, Stephen Morris made 2 clutch/critical throws on the last drive that Miami needed to put us in position to win the game, and he threw 4 interceptions that game.

How is that "taking the ball out of his hands".... what r u talking about?

Here is the play-by-play of the UNC game (4th Quarter)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=332900153&period=4

HERE IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

- We ran 27 plays total plays in the 4th quarter
- Of the 27 plays, 7 were pass plays (26%)
The last drive was 13 total plays, we started on the Miami 10 yard line with 4:11 left in the game.
- Of the last 13 plays (final drive), 3 were passing plays (23%)
- Of the last 13 plays, we ran the ball our first 5 plays.
- Of the last 7 plays, we ran the ball 5 times.

Morris's stat line from the 4th quarter: 4 for 7 69 Yards and 1 INT. Yes with the team down by double digits we ran the ball 20 times and scored both TDs on the ground.

You are unable to to discuss this in a fair manner, so we cannot discuss this. Find someone else.

you just made my point..... on the last drive, even though he threw 4 interceptions, he still was called on by James Coley to pass the ball on 3 plays and completed the 3 clutch passes.

I dont care about that other ****.... Morris had a terrible game that day, you said "james coley took the ball out of his hands" when that's not true at all, and you proved that it wasnt true.

What James Coley was suppose to call a pass play at the 4 yard line for you to give S. Morris credit even though his passes got Miami to the 4 yard line???

 

[Consigliere]

I am with you 100%. I love Morris, I am one of his biggest fans but I see blatant issues. The ball (WF and UNC) has been taken out of his hands now in the 4th quarter twice, that is not a sign of confidence in your play caller IMO.

smh dont have a clue

against UNC, Stephen Morris made 2 clutch/critical throws on the last drive that Miami needed to put us in position to win the game, and he threw 4 interceptions that game.

How is that "taking the ball out of his hands".... what r u talking about?

Here is the play-by-play of the UNC game (4th Quarter)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=332900153&period=4

HERE IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

- We ran 27 plays total plays in the 4th quarter
- Of the 27 plays, 7 were pass plays (26%)
The last drive was 13 total plays, we started on the Miami 10 yard line with 4:11 left in the game.
- Of the last 13 plays (final drive), 3 were passing plays (23%)
- Of the last 13 plays, we ran the ball our first 5 plays.
- Of the last 7 plays, we ran the ball 5 times.

Morris's stat line from the 4th quarter: 4 for 7 69 Yards and 1 INT. Yes with the team down by double digits we ran the ball 20 times and scored both TDs on the ground.

You are unable to to discuss this in a fair manner, so we cannot discuss this. Find someone else.

you just made my point..... on the last drive, even though he threw 4 interceptions, he still was called on by James Coley to pass the ball on 3 plays and completed the 3 clutch passes.

I dont care about that other ****.... Morris had a terrible game that day, you said "james coley took the ball out of his hands" when that's not true at all, and you proved that it wasnt true.

What James Coley was suppose to call a pass play at the 4 yard line for you to give S. Morris credit even though his passes got Miami to the 4 yard line???

Your point is never going to be made because it is incorrect. It is also telling that we continued to run the ball with Crawford because Duke left in the 1st quarter.

No one is making a point in your favor. In fact even though UNC was fully aware we were running the ball (even 5 straight), we still ran the ball 10 out of 13 plays. 10 out of 13 plays. 10 out of 13 plays. When were down, we still ran the ball 10 out of 13 plays. We ran the ball 10 out of 13 plays, 10 out of 13 plays.

Are you unable to agree to disagree?

 

[Andrew]

You surely can complete passes even with bad foot work. 2 things Morris needs to work on is staying in the pocket and stepping up when he throws. A lot of his throws have come as he was moving backwards and with no pressure. He also has moved out of the pocket at times and put himself in worse situations.

I disagree that a lot of his throws have come as he was moving backwards w/ no pressure.... but i can accept that you can complete passes w/ bad footwork but Morris completely 17/28 passes against WF. No way most of those passes were completed w/ bad footwork.

Your correct, not all of them were completed with bad foot work and not all of his incompletions were incomplete because of bad foot work. Regardless he needs to improve on this and we didn't see it to this extent last year. Morris and Coach Coley need to be confident enough to take some big shots and use that arm of Morris.

 

[Canesfan1899]

it's the same **** every week.....

Morris mechanics, his footwork, REPEAT.... the **** is making me dizzy.

He went 17/28 against WF, 1 of the 11 drops were on Clive Walford who missed a wide open screen pass that wouldve went for a 1st down.

he did the smart play by throwing the ball away a couple more times in the game, so now we are talking about his mechanics based on 6-8 missed passes in the game.

wow

Wow is correct.

There was not 11 drops, I think you mean incompletions. Walford dropped one, he also saved him on another. Let's cancel them out.

Morris still has crap footwork, I am sorry if you disagree. There is a big change since USF, I can't believe you don't see it.

you dont know what good footwork is suppose to look like. You are not a QB coach, it's always going to be bad in your view of Morris b/c that's how you see him, you cant have "crap" footwork but complete 17/28 passes can you??? didnt know that.

11 incompletions is what i mean.... do you think thats too much, when Clive dropped 1 that wouldve went for a 1st down, but Miami ended up not converting the 4th and 1, 2 plays later.

Also like i said he made the smart decisions to throw the ball away a couple of times, so out of the 11 "incompletions" 1 drop, 2 or 3 balls were thrown away, so that leaves 6-8 incomplete passes that may or may not have been on Morris.

WOW smh

WOW, stop being a child and discuss. Stop fake shaking your head. You are no QB coach either, at least I will fully admit that I am not one.

Listen, do you think his footwork is great? Do you think there are zero issues? It is clear to a novice like myself and the announcers on TV he was having issues, but you let me know.

Yes, 17/28 is not a good game. Morris didn't do much, he made errant throws but instead of turning it over he threw it away. So some improvement. Morris has issues on may passes, so if he fixes some things perhaps he goes 21 for 28. There is a big difference.

Side note: The throwaways are included in the stats for everyone. 60% is nothing to brag about. Sorry he has work to do and needs to set his feet.

Agree to disagree.

i'm not a footwork specialist..... but you cant throw 17/28 w/ "crap" footwork. Show me the sloppy throws that he made b/c of "crappy" footwork in the Wake Forest game.

There were some guys he missed b/c of not making the right reads but for the most part he did a lot better job at making good reads. Throwing the ball away counts against your stats but what's ur point??? that he shouldve just thrown the ball into coverage for an interception???

The balls that he threw away were the smart decisions... those have nothing to do w/ bad mechanics. What r u saying?

you are just reaching trying to blame him for not being perfect. He didnt have a lot of yards or opportunities to throw b/c the defense couldnt get off the field on 3rd down, maybe if they did he wouldve had the opportunity to make those mistakes that you hope he makes, and i would be able to agree w/ your point of view.

I'm no expert but almost all of his throws are coming off his back foot, he rarely ever plants his foot in the ground and tranfers his weight properly causing him to get by with his arm strength. If he distributed his weight better he would likely throw the ball more accurately and more velocity when needed.

 

[sebastian91]

I am with you 100%. I love Morris, I am one of his biggest fans but I see blatant issues. The ball (WF and UNC) has been taken out of his hands now in the 4th quarter twice, that is not a sign of confidence in your play caller IMO.

smh dont have a clue

against UNC, Stephen Morris made 2 clutch/critical throws on the last drive that Miami needed to put us in position to win the game, and he threw 4 interceptions that game.

How is that "taking the ball out of his hands".... what r u talking about?

Here is the play-by-play of the UNC game (4th Quarter)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=332900153&period=4

HERE IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

- We ran 27 plays total plays in the 4th quarter
- Of the 27 plays, 7 were pass plays (26%)
The last drive was 13 total plays, we started on the Miami 10 yard line with 4:11 left in the game.
- Of the last 13 plays (final drive), 3 were passing plays (23%)
- Of the last 13 plays, we ran the ball our first 5 plays.
- Of the last 7 plays, we ran the ball 5 times.

Morris's stat line from the 4th quarter: 4 for 7 69 Yards and 1 INT. Yes with the team down by double digits we ran the ball 20 times and scored both TDs on the ground.

You are unable to to discuss this in a fair manner, so we cannot discuss this. Find someone else.

you just made my point..... on the last drive, even though he threw 4 interceptions, he still was called on by James Coley to pass the ball on 3 plays and completed the 3 clutch passes.

I dont care about that other ****.... Morris had a terrible game that day, you said "james coley took the ball out of his hands" when that's not true at all, and you proved that it wasnt true.

What James Coley was suppose to call a pass play at the 4 yard line for you to give S. Morris credit even though his passes got Miami to the 4 yard line???

Your point is never going to be made because it is incorrect. It is also telling that we continued to run the ball with Crawford because Duke left in the 1st quarter.

No one is making a point in your favor. In fact even though UNC was fully aware we were running the ball (even 5 straight), we still ran the ball 10 out of 13 plays. 10 out of 13 plays. 10 out of 13 plays. When were down, we still ran the ball 10 out of 13 plays. We ran the ball 10 out of 13 plays, 10 out of 13 plays.

Are you unable to agree to disagree?

As mentioned in the other 50,000 Morris threads, the end of both the UNC and WF games were situational. The ball was NOT taken out of Morris' hands. The coaches did EXACTLY what the situation called for, which was to pound the ball, move the chains, score a TD, and burn the clock. If there are <2 minutes left instead of 4, you can bet your **** the ball would've been in Morris' hands. This argument is completely ridiculous.

 

[zone3cane]

As mentioned in the other 50,000 Morris threads, the end of both the UNC and WF games were situational. The ball was NOT taken out of Morris' hands. The coaches did EXACTLY what the situation called for, which was to pound the ball, move the chains, score a TD, and burn the clock. If there are <2 minutes left instead of 4, you can bet your **** the ball would've been in Morris' hands. This argument is completely ridiculous.

Exactly..... THE END.

 

[Consigliere]

As mentioned in the other 50,000 Morris threads, the end of both the UNC and WF games were situational. The ball was NOT taken out of Morris' hands. The coaches did EXACTLY what the situation called for, which was to pound the ball, move the chains, score a TD, and burn the clock. If there are <2 minutes left instead of 4, you can bet your **** the ball would've been in Morris' hands. This argument is completely ridiculous.

I think there is some truth to what you mentioned (situational) but my problem is when we're down 10 points (i.e. we need 2 scores) we still stuck to the run. See when your down 10 points and your still running the ball because you are afraid to pass, it is slightly different. At the start of the 4th quarter we were down 10 points. Remember when you need to score twice, you need to go fast. We didn't care, we just pounded the rock. We ran 27 plays and threw on 7 of them.

I understand what you are saying that the situation at the end of the game called for more runs than passes. I get it. The problem is we were unable to pass the ball. You can pass the ball and still burn the clock, but facts are facts and Morris proved to be too risky to pass the ball.

Those are my thoughts.

 

[sebastian91]

As mentioned in the other 50,000 Morris threads, the end of both the UNC and WF games were situational. The ball was NOT taken out of Morris' hands. The coaches did EXACTLY what the situation called for, which was to pound the ball, move the chains, score a TD, and burn the clock. If there are <2 minutes left instead of 4, you can bet your **** the ball would've been in Morris' hands. This argument is completely ridiculous.

I think there is some truth to what you mentioned (situational) but my problem is when we're down 10 points (i.e. we need 2 scores) we still stuck to the run. See when your down 10 points and your still running the ball because you are afraid to pass, it is slightly different. At the start of the 4th quarter we were down 10 points. Remember when you need to score twice, you need to go fast. We didn't care, we just pounded the rock. We ran 27 plays and threw on 7 of them.

I understand what you are saying that the situation at the end of the game called for more runs than passes. I get it. The problem is we were unable to pass the ball. You can pass the ball and still burn the clock, but facts are facts and Morris proved to be too risky to pass the ball.

Those are my thoughts.

We were never down by 10 in the 4th Q against Wake, so I presume you mean UNC. Our first possession in the 4th Q against UNC, down 10, we move the chains easily on 2 DC runs for 8 and 15 yds. Then he gets stuffed for a 2 yard loss. Morris throws to a wide open Walford for 35 yds. Two more DC runs...move the chains. Penalty on UNC. 3 yd TD run for DC. The only time in that drive where we needed to throw at all, 2nd and 12, we did (successfully; ball not out of Morris' hands).

Defense forces UNC 3 and out. Morris throws a pick on 3rd and 4 after 2 DC runs (ball not out of his hands, we could easily have tried to run in that situation); Renner throws one 3 plays later. We go 3 and out (two incompletions by Morris...ball not out of his hands). Defense forces UNC 3 and out again (shockingly, given how horrible the defense and Coach D apparently are according to many on this board). We get the ball back at our own 10 with 4:11 left.

Two DC runs for 6 yds each...easy move the chains. OT run for 13 yds...move the chains. OT run for 14 yds....move the chains. DC gets stuffed but picks up 2 yds. Morris throws a very nice pass to Hurns...move the chains. Two DC runs gets us into 3rd and short, and DC moves the chains easily. We're now under a minute left and need to gain some ground. Morris hits Waters for 17...very nice throw (ball not out of Morris' hands when we need to gain yards)...move the chains. DC gets stuffed, we call timeout with 25 seconds left. Another nice pass to Hurns gets us into 3rd and short again at their 3 yd line (ball still not out of Morris' hands). DC run for a TD with 16 seconds left. Brilliant drive.

Morris completed 2 passes in the last drive against Wake (and threw another one that drew a PI and netted us 15 yds), one on a 1st and 15 when we needed to get into a more manageable down and distance (he hit Walford for 7 yds). The rest of that drive was pretty much easy moving the chains on the ground.

Where in those sequences should we have been putting the ball in Morris' hands, but didn't? Every time we needed to throw, we did...and were successful at it. I just don't get this argument that the coaches don't trust Morris, so they took the ball out of his hands when it really mattered. The actual play calling and execution, especially relative to the situations, just don't show any signs of that being the case.