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Stars matter to some extent in recruiting

westcoastcanes said:
Support your counter claim with an athletic department recruiting budget that hasn't increased more than the rate of inflation, staffs that are the same size as the 80's, and proof that major schools are prioritizing the Dakotas and Idaho.
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Miami has 5 rings. That's the only proof needed.
 

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ShadowSpring said:
According to what metric have the services gotten more accurate. Support the claim with facts or it's a false claim.
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How about you just look up the percentage of 5 stars that go pro over the past 5-10 years vs prior to that. 2009-2014 recruiting classes has over 80% of the 5 stars making NFL rosters. In the 90s it was something around 30- 40%.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
How about you just look up the percentage of 5 stars that go pro over the past 5-10 years vs prior to that. 2009-2014 recruiting classes has over 80% of the 5 stars making NFL rosters. In the 90s it was something around 30- 40%.
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It is unhealthy to sew your ******* shut. But I don't have the facts to back that up, so it is a false claim.
The guy has either successfully trolled us, or is developmentally disabled. Just gotta move on.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
How about you just look up the percentage of 5 stars that go pro over the past 5-10 years vs prior to that. 2009-2014 recruiting classes has over 80% of the 5 stars making NFL rosters. In the 90s it was something around 30- 40%.
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1) Prove the claim.

2) The argument is still not about if ratings matter. They do. 5* players have a high hit rate. That is not in question.
 
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ShadowSpring said:
1) Prove the claim.

2) The argument is still not about if ratings matter. They do. 5* players have a high hit rate. That is not in question.
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What claim would you like proven? A simple google search will allow you to see what my sources are. I would post it, but I don't care what an idiot like yourself thinks. Richt knows how important 5 stars are.
 
ShadowSpring said:
That is an opinion piece, no actual data.

Also, I am not arguing that rankings don't matter. I've already said they do. Everyone agrees with that, so again this is a scarecrow argument on your part here.

It is NOT the only thing that matters. The history and success of Miami is the only proof I need.

For example, I think the butter zone for Miami is around 10-15. That's where a lot of Butch's classes were. That means we are keeping a good number of blue chippers home (McGahee, Wayne, Kenny Phillips) which is where the rankings matter. Blue Chippers have a higher hit rate than lower rated kids. They form the backbone of the class. We then get the 3* kids that we've been evaluating for many many years. Kids like Sam Brooks, Brownlee, Wiggins, Sean Taylor, Jon Vilma, etc. These recruits have extremely high ceilings, but maybe play a different position or maybe don't have bluechip measurables in some way. They also have a higher miss rate, and perhaps end up as transfers.
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Where did I say that stars are the ONLY thing that matters? Talk about scarecrow arguments.

Yeah, blue chippers have a higher hit rate than 3*'s. Which is why the more blue-chippers Miami signs, the better our odds will be when we get on the field with a team like LSU to overwhelm them with talent. That's the whole point.

If you want to beat Alabama, you can't have any holes in your roster. You can't have any projects. I've seen enough Miami football over the past 10 years to know that for every "diamond in the rough" eval we hit on, we miss on five. Can't be doing that anymore.
 
We all agree we need to keep the elite recruits the question is can this group and if not can they develop at an elite level

Butch had an awesome staff that could really develop the kids he brought

After 3 years can we say CMr has that staff?
 
When you have an elite talent evaluator for a HC like butch Davis the ranking matter but they don't. Davis is proven and the services know this.

Conversely, a guy like Larry Coker brought in highly rated guys that busted at a much higher rate than what Davis brought in.
Good/great coaches are going to bring in good/great players regardless of what some recruiting service ranks them.

Coker proved that bringing in top 10 classes just isn't good enough. You can bring in highly rated players but if they bust, suck or are overrated then your team will be trash. They won't win nothing.
 
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ShadowSpring said:
Support the claim with supporting facts or it's a false claim.
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Whos our best player on D at that LSU game?

number 9 thats how a 5 star looks bruh and we didnt win him he fell into our laps. This is why a Tyreke Stevenson sees the field and needs really no coaching, he will talent that **** all the way and look good as long as the coaches aint fools.
 
jsy said:
We all agree we need to keep the elite recruits the question is can this group and if not can they develop at an elite level

Butch had an awesome staff that could really develop the kids he brought

After 3 years can we say CMr has that staff?
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this staff cant keep elite recruits that live 2 blocks away man thats crazy to me
 
Dwinstitles said:
Kirby is a monster thats why, people in denial here just like they were with Jimbo when he started that monster **** at FSU when he first started. When a coach can come in and clean up on the trial he will be successful
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He’s not a “monster”. I could get a decent class with the shadow booster network those “ Jawja”boys have. All that’s happened is Smart has a resume and pedigree that screams success (Bama). He’s a decent recruiter but to say he’s a monster totally negates the fact that he’s been signing an embarrassment of riches due to bags. Same thing happened with Jimbo. It depends on the type of support u have from the boosters and in turn the shadow boosters. Most coaches do not take a job unless they know a system is in place. They don’t wanna know how it works (plausible deniability) but they wanna know it’s there. Not all players get bags but if your a 5 or high 4 star DL, OL or DB and the SEC is recruiting you there’s a high chance you’ll be contacted.
 
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CaniacOnTheDanceFloor said:
He’s not a “monster”. I could get a decent class with the shadow booster network those “ Jawja”boys have. All that’s happened is Smart has a resume and pedigree that screams success (Bama). He’s a decent recruiter but to say he’s a monster totally negates the fact that he’s been signing an embarrassment of riches due to bags. Same thing happened with Jimbo. It depends on the type of support u have from the boosters and in turn the shadow boosters. Most coaches do not take a job unless they know a system is in place. They don’t wanna know how it works (plausible deniability) but they wanna know it’s there. Not all players get bags but if your a 5 or high 4 star DL, OL or DB and the SEC is recruiting you there’s a high chance you’ll be contacted.
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right now even with the booster network which I believe, he will get the credit for the recruiting its the way it works
 
There is a direct and inarguable mathematical correlation between high star rankings and wins. Its undeniable.

This class is another in a long line of “not nearly good enough”. It just isnt.

When you **** the bed as bad as we did to end the season, and then on NSD, it is obvious that the program has lost steam recruiting. Being 19th in the 247 composite right now is Golden and Shannon all over again.
 
CaniacOnTheDanceFloor said:
He’s not a “monster”. I could get a decent class with the shadow booster network those “ Jawja”boys have. All that’s happened is Smart has a resume and pedigree that screams success (Bama). He’s a decent recruiter but to say he’s a monster totally negates the fact that he’s been signing an embarrassment of riches due to bags. Same thing happened with Jimbo. It depends on the type of support u have from the boosters and in turn the shadow boosters. Most coaches do not take a job unless they know a system is in place. They don’t wanna know how it works (plausible deniability) but they wanna know it’s there. Not all players get bags but if your a 5 or high 4 star DL, OL or DB and the SEC is recruiting you there’s a high chance you’ll be contacted.
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Did you just break out all of your excuses or do you have a few more saved up for the next time someone points out Kirby is a far better coach then Richt. The guy went to OT in the NC in his second game. You can scream bags all you want, but plenty of teams in history dropped bags and no one has recruited like him. Richt had access to all the same **** Kirby had yet he always hired the wrong assistants and never was able to win the big games.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
Did you just break out all of your excuses or do you have a few more saved up for the next time someone points out Kirby is a far better coach then Richt. The guy went to OT in the NC in his second game. You can scream bags all you want, but plenty of teams in history dropped bags and no one has recruited like him. Richt had access to all the same **** Kirby had yet he always hired the wrong assistants and never was able to win the big games.
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Where in the name of anything do you get your incoherent 90% wrong information>
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
Did you just break out all of your excuses or do you have a few more saved up for the next time someone points out Kirby is a far better coach then Richt. The guy went to OT in the NC in his second game. You can scream bags all you want, but plenty of teams in history dropped bags and no one has recruited like him. Richt had access to all the same **** Kirby had yet he always hired the wrong assistants and never was able to win the big games.
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Richt openly spoke out against the paying of players. Ypu have no idea the number of boosters and shadow boosters who have had to put up with Brother Mark’s values and hated it. Kirby got there and basically said “back up the trucks, I want players”. The floodgates were opened. UGA has ALWAYS had money. Their shadow booster network was NOWHERE near what it is today. Nobody said Kirby isn’t a great coach. So far he looks legit. But stop giving him credit for something that had a 50 mile headstart with Richt’s 31 seniors and $$$ to buy the best around. Remember they were 8-5 his first year. Imagine if miami had that same network and we used it to keep top talent home. It would be game over NCAA. I don’t think you have any idea how serious this “bag” game has gotten. Football is a religion here and after folks seen what Bama has turned into this last decade every SEC diehard wants their shot. Ole Miss tried to jump the gun years ago and Saban ain’t like that ****. His buddy Emmerit took care of that. But UGA has always been a sleeping giant. All it took was the right coach who was willing to win at all co$t.
 
CaniacOnTheDanceFloor said:
Richt openly spoke out against the paying of players. Ypu have no idea the number of boosters and shadow boosters who have had to put up with Brother Mark’s values and hated it. Kirby got there and basically said “back up the trucks, I want players”. The floodgates were opened. UGA has ALWAYS had money. Their shadow booster network was NOWHERE near what it is today. Nobody said Kirby isn’t a great coach. So far he looks legit. But stop giving him credit for something that had a 50 mile headstart with Richt’s 31 seniors and $$$ to buy the best around. Remember they were 8-5 his first year. Imagine if miami had that same network and we used it to keep top talent home. It would be game over NCAA. I don’t think you have any idea how serious this “bag” game has gotten. Football is a religion here and after folks seen what Bama has turned into this last decade every SEC diehard wants their shot. Ole Miss tried to jump the gun years ago and Saban ain’t like that ****. His buddy Emmerit took care of that. But UGA has always been a sleeping giant. All it took was the right coach who was willing to win at all co$t.
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I know what sort of boosters they have. Richt had the option, but he went the corch route and told them to F off. Exactly my point. Richt held them back for all of these years now we have a new power team. Kirby is 10x the coach corch Richt is.
 
Dawgcane said:
Where in the name of anything do you get your incoherent 90% wrong information>
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Lets see. Kirby went to OT in the NC. Fact. Plenty of teams have dropped bags, but no one has ever landed more 5 stars in their first 3 years then Kirby. Fact. Kirby also has the most 5 stars in a 2 year time frame. Fact. Kirby landed the most 5 stars in a 1 year time frame. Fact. Kirby went further in 2 years then Richt had in his entire time at UGA. Fact. Kirby and Richt both coached at UGA so it is very easy to compare the two coaches. It is not like comparing coaches at 2 different schools.
 
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