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Jedi Master Cane said:
Mike Leach is crazy, weird, and nuts enough to take a demotion at this stage of his career in return for a chance to win big.
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Manny would do well to hire Fedora and stack Applewhite or Coley for depth in OC role. He can use the ***. HC title and co-coordinator title in there as well. I can't expect Fedora stays more than 3 seasons with any success and his big personality.
 
Mahoney-Pearson said:
Manny would do well to hire Fedora and stack Applewhite or Coley for depth in OC role. He can use the ***. HC title and co-coordinator title in there as well. I can't expect Fedora stays more than 3 seasons with any success and his big personality.
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Applewhite and Fedora run two different systems.

They’re not going to be co-OC.
 
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nystateofmind said:
Applewhite and Fedora run two different systems.

They’re not going to be co-OC.
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I don't think we should get pigeon-holed into this offense or that. We need a disposition change (which Fedora brings) and a modernization, which I think just about anyone can help with...
 
Mahoney-Pearson said:
Manny would do well to hire Fedora and stack Applewhite or Coley for depth in OC role. He can use the ***. HC title and co-coordinator title in there as well. I can't expect Fedora stays more than 3 seasons with any success and his big personality.
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Zero chance Applewhite AND Coley are here. One or the other and Coley is much more likely IMO.
 
Major Applesauce was a complete bum as an OC for HTown & Tejas. Houston's offense was only explosive because of Kendall Briles & the Houston boosters/administration hired Kendrall because Art coached there from 03-07 & had the most success they had as a program since the late 80's, plus they still like the Briles family a great deal in Houston.

Coley is a BUM as a play caller, he doesn't nor did he ever call plays at UGA, he was just a recruiter & his recruiting is only enhanced by having Bags to support, take away the bags & Coley is average at best.

Fedora is the guy out of those 3 options, if for whatever reason we blank on Fedora, we should heavily consider Graham Harrell, Kevin Johns (who's still available), Glenn Thomas or Kalen Deboer.
 
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Liberty City El said:
Major Applesauce was a complete bum as an OC for HTown & Tejas. Houston's offense was only explosive because of Kendall Briles & the Houston boosters/administration hired Kendrall because Art coached there from 03-07 & had the most success they had as a program since the late 80's, plus they still like the Briles family a great deal in Houston.

Coley is a BUM as a play caller, he doesn't nor did he ever call plays at UGA, he was just a recruiter & his recruiting is only enhanced by having Bags to support, take away the bags & Coley is average at best.

Fedora is the guy out of those 3 options, if for whatever reason we blank on Fedora, we should heavily consider Graham Harrell, Kevin Johns (who's still available), Glenn Thomas or Kalen Deboer.
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I’d take a look at Josh Gattis who was the former penn state receiver coach and now bama co oc/receiver coach. He’s had his wide receivers at penn state and bama playing at an elite level and he’s one of the better recruiters in the country too.
 
Liberty City El said:
Major Applesauce was a complete bum as an OC for HTown & Tejas. Houston's offense was only explosive because of Kendall Briles & the Houston boosters/administration hired Kendrall because Art coached there from 03-07 & had the most success they had as a program since the late 80's, plus they still like the Briles family a great deal in Houston.

Coley is a BUM as a play caller, he doesn't nor did he ever call plays at UGA, he was just a recruiter & his recruiting is only enhanced by having Bags to support, take away the bags & Coley is average at best.

Fedora is the guy out of those 3 options, if for whatever reason we blank on Fedora, we should heavily consider Graham Harrell, Kevin Johns (who's still available), Glenn Thomas or Kalen Deboer.
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No thanks on Harrell.

He runs Leach’s offense, which good defenses always stop.
 
BWCD said:
He was probably our best recruiter/closer on the last staff. I don't think that's in dispute. He's a creepy looking mo-fo and he definitely wasn't the best coach on the staff, but dude could recruit.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

I will take a great developer of Talent over a so-called good recruiter any day.
 
You need technicians at the coordinator positions, not recruiters. The recruiters should be the position coaches and the head guy.
 
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Liberty City El said:
Major Applesauce was a complete bum as an OC for HTown & Tejas. Houston's offense was only explosive because of Kendall Briles & the Houston boosters/administration hired Kendrall because Art coached there from 03-07 & had the most success they had as a program since the late 80's, plus they still like the Briles family a great deal in Houston.

Coley is a BUM as a play caller, he doesn't nor did he ever call plays at UGA, he was just a recruiter & his recruiting is only enhanced by having Bags to support, take away the bags & Coley is average at best.

Fedora is the guy out of those 3 options, if for whatever reason we blank on Fedora, we should heavily consider Graham Harrell, Kevin Johns (who's still available), Glenn Thomas or Kalen Deboer.
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Applewhite wasn’t a bum at Houston. In 2015 they had the 10th best scoring offense. In 2016 they were 26th and that year they had to play their third 3rd string QB in some games when the top 2 QBs were injured. The Applewhite slander is extreme. Kendal Briles didn’t get there until this past season.
 
SonnyLong said:
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

I will take a great developer of Talent over a so-called good recruiter any day.
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I think you're disagreeing without understanding what I said to begin with.

Seider's a replacement for Hartley in terms of who he was as a recruiter. We can agree that Hartley was most certainly not the best coach on the staff - but his guys that he recruited loved him and came here in a big part because he recruited them well. **** - I saw Brevin Jordan (and his mom), Louis Hedley, and a bunch of other guys stumping on Twitter for Hartley to be retained.

So...the comparison between Seider and Hartley recruiting-wise is sound - but I said that Seider is actually better, in part because he's an upgrade as an actual coach on staff. Basically - what we're getting if we get Seider on staff is an upgrade over Hartley as both a recruiter AND a coach - which fits your "great developer of talent over a so-called good recruiter" criteria anyways. I never argued that criteria either - I think we all want the coaches to be both a great developer and a good recruiter. Hartley was the latter not the former, Seider is arguably both.
 
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droneld29 said:
Applewhite wasn’t a bum at Houston. In 2015 they had the 10th best scoring offense. In 2016 they were 26th and that year they had to play their third 3rd string QB in some games when the top 2 QBs were injured. The Applewhite slander is extreme.
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In 2015-16 there was a guy by the name of Tom Herman that might’ve had a little bit of input on the offensive side of the ball.
 
droneld29 said:
Applewhite wasn’t a bum at Houston. In 2015 they had the 10th best scoring offense. In 2016 they were 26th and that year they had to play their third 3rd string QB in some games when the top 2 QBs were injured. The Applewhite slander is extreme. Kendal Briles didn’t get there until this past season.
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Wasn’t Tom Herman calling plays?
 
droneld29 said:
Applewhite wasn’t a bum at Houston. In 2015 they had the 10th best scoring offense. In 2016 they were 26th and that year they had to play their third 3rd string QB in some games when the top 2 QBs were injured. The Applewhite slander is extreme.
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That was Tom Herman, you guys have convinced yourselves that Apple is a good coach because you're trying to lessen the blow if we miss on Fedora.

Ask anybody who's a Houston or Texas fan, they'll tell you firsthand that couldn't wait to get him the **** out of BOTH places, he SUCKS. If it wasn't for Mack Brown putting him on he'd be nothing more than a position coach at Rice or UTEP.
 
BWCD said:
I think you're disagreeing without understanding what I said to begin with.

Seider's a replacement for Hartley in terms of who he was as a recruiter. We can agree that Hartley was most certainly not the best coach on the staff - but his guys that he recruited loved him and came here in a big part because he recruited them well. **** - I saw Brevin Jordan (and his mom), Louis Hedley, and a bunch of other guys stumping on Twitter for Hartley to be retained.

So...the comparison between Seider and Hartley recruiting-wise is sound - but I said that Seider is actually better, in part because he's an upgrade as an actual coach on staff. Basically - what we're getting if we get Seider on staff is an upgrade over Hartley as both a recruiter AND a coach - which fits your "great developer of talent over a so-called good recruiter" criteria anyways. I never argued that criteria either - I think we all want the coaches to be both a great developer and a good recruiter. Hartley was the latter not the former, Seider is arguably both.
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What did you expect those guys to say? Of course they're going to root for him to be retained. I bet there were plenty of players on the team that wanted richt to stay even though it was apparent that he needed to leave.
 
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