Stadium Renovations

[CyberCane]

Canopy to help with heat plus increased noise by a ****load + seats moved much closer to the field will be night and day. I guess one positive from playing at an NFL stadium as opposed to an on campus stadium is there'd be a large seating capacity to pack the house for big games as opposed to a 40-45 k stadium Miami would probably have built if they could.

Just a point of information... UM averages, with the BIG GAMES, 49,000 in attendance. A new 50,000 seat stadium at Tropical Park would be perfect. We could design it for both noise and shade. It would make UM tickets the hottest around and hard to get. That's better than 20,000 in a 76,000 seat coffin 25 miles from campus and seats a mile from the field in the blazing sun.

Also, remember that this will probably be Miami's last chance for a stadium of their own (remember how SLS honored the Gators championship team on "our home field?")

JMO

Tex

Will never happen due to parking and traffic/noise implications. Yes, could a stadium literally fit in that space--not the point.

 

[TexCane]

Canopy to help with heat plus increased noise by a ****load + seats moved much closer to the field will be night and day. I guess one positive from playing at an NFL stadium as opposed to an on campus stadium is there'd be a large seating capacity to pack the house for big games as opposed to a 40-45 k stadium Miami would probably have built if they could.

Just a point of information... UM averages, with the BIG GAMES, 49,000 in attendance. A new 50,000 seat stadium at Tropical Park would be perfect. We could design it for both noise and shade. It would make UM tickets the hottest around and hard to get. That's better than 20,000 in a 76,000 seat coffin 25 miles from campus and seats a mile from the field in the blazing sun.

Also, remember that this will probably be Miami's last chance for a stadium of their own (remember how SLS honored the Gators championship team on "our home field?")

JMO

Tex

Will never happen due to parking and traffic/noise implications. Yes, could a stadium literally fit in that space--not the point.

Cyber...

Really? Have you ever been to Tropical Park? It's at the intersection of two busy freeways and sits in the middle of a commercial zone. Noise will not affect this location and it's made for traffic flow onto and off of the freeways. And it's bigger in space than SLS. Please!!!

 

[BisCane]

Are SoFL voters in the mood to vote for a tax increase to fund renovations on a privately owned stadium? I guess we'll find out in May. But it doesn't read like definitely getting done to me.

Explain to me how raising the bed tax by a point effects the "common man" of Miami-Dade?

Makes hotels in Ft lauderdale more attactive and more competitive...more business for Broward tourism

Ok...please tell me that you know what 1% of $250 is. If you're telling me that if that dollar amount increase was imposed, people would literally start looking elsewhere--then you are not worth debating with. The $750+ a night hotels in Dade will not be effected at all.

Broward county and tourism officials said as much in an interview on WLRN. YOu really don't know what you're talking about. They think in terms of tens of thousands of hotel room nights and dinners, not the extreme high end rates. Who's arguing? I'm just answering your questions and then disproving your statements.

 

[Fzac75]

Canopy to help with heat plus increased noise by a ****load + seats moved much closer to the field will be night and day. I guess one positive from playing at an NFL stadium as opposed to an on campus stadium is there'd be a large seating capacity to pack the house for big games as opposed to a 40-45 k stadium Miami would probably have built if they could.

Just a point of information... UM averages, with the BIG GAMES, 49,000 in attendance. A new 50,000 seat stadium at Tropical Park would be perfect. We could design it for both noise and shade. It would make UM tickets the hottest around and hard to get. That's better than 20,000 in a 76,000 seat coffin 25 miles from campus and seats a mile from the field in the blazing sun.

Also, remember that this will probably be Miami's last chance for a stadium of their own (remember how SLS honored the Gators championship team on "our home field?")

JMO

Tex

Will never happen due to parking and traffic/noise implications. Yes, could a stadium literally fit in that space--not the point.

Cyber...

Really? Have you ever been to Tropical Park? It's at the intersection of two busy freeways and sits in the middle of a commercial zone. Noise will not affect this location and it's made for traffic flow onto and off of the freeways. And it's bigger in space than SLS. Please!!!

First let me preface this by saying, if they were to ever get a stadium there fine, but there are only two exits to get there Palmetto and Miller and Palmetto and Bird. Secondly, have you ever seen the exit off Bird Rd how easily congested it gets? Let alone Palmetto and Miller would be impossible as well.

Oh and before I continue, please let's call the stadium what it deserves to be called Joe Robbie Stadium regardless of whatever new company pays to name it, I will always call it Joe Robbie, at least he financed that stadium himself, and at the time of its construction it was the finest in football and an example to owners of what to build, what not to build and how not to finance it. It has earned that right to be named Joe Robbie Stadium.

Guys, I understand and I do too, the yearning to have our own stadium, but from a logistics perspective, there is no location from a traffic standpoint that compares to Joe Robbie, it is perfectly situated to appease both fans from Miami, Broward and Palm Beach. And Miami guys, understand, there are fans in Broward and Palm Beach, ALOT. A good organization will want to try and satisfy all 3 counties if they can to reach all their fans. No stadium, has the expressway access that Joe Robbie has, you have access from the Turnpike, the Palmetto, I-95, the 821. So no there is no location that offers those traffic access.

With that said, if the renovations go through, it will be great for the program, if they get their own stadium, even better. Personally I could care less about the traffic, I will buy my season tickets and go, so **** it. But make no mistake whenever you discuss about stadiums, no location offers the access like Joe Robbie Stadium.

 

[CyberCane]

Are SoFL voters in the mood to vote for a tax increase to fund renovations on a privately owned stadium? I guess we'll find out in May. But it doesn't read like definitely getting done to me.

Explain to me how raising the bed tax by a point effects the "common man" of Miami-Dade?

Makes hotels in Ft lauderdale more attactive and more competitive...more business for Broward tourism

Ok...please tell me that you know what 1% of $250 is. If you're telling me that if that dollar amount increase was imposed, people would literally start looking elsewhere--then you are not worth debating with. The $750+ a night hotels in Dade will not be effected at all.

Broward county and tourism officials said as much in an interview on WLRN. YOu really don't know what you're talking about. They think in terms of tens of thousands of hotel room nights and dinners, not the extreme high end rates. Who's arguing? I'm just answering your questions and then disproving your statements.

Of course they are going to fight any increase in price in the form of a tax on their product. They are fighting the slippery slope that is letting government levy additional tax on their bread and butter. The segment that I could see it effecting are very large groups--talking convention size groups that spend in excess of $500k. In the end, the hotel has to essentially eat the tax in the form of lower margin if they choose to not pass the tax on to the customer.
I'm not talking about whether they like it, I'm talking about the actual net effect of the tax on their business. I would actually like to hear the argument that displays why a customer would choose to go elsewhere over a $1 increase on a $100 room...

 

[BisCane]

Dude you don't get it, hotel booking agents, wholesalers, and yes conventions buy in bulk. Broward's bed tax is already one percent lower than Dade's. You waiting to see why $1 for a single customer makes a differences means you're not following along.

 

[CyberCane]

Dude you don't get it, hotel booking agents, wholesalers, and yes conventions buy in bulk. Broward's bed tax is already one percent lower than Dade's. You waiting to see why $1 for a single customer makes a differences means you're not following along.

No question...not disputing that at all.

 

[BigCaneAl]

Don't get too excited about closer seats. All the existing seats will still blow....they are just going to lower the field and ADD some new seats closer in.

 

[razrcane]

Sounds like this deal is definitely going to get done. I know the feelings are mixed on the renderings, but this could be huge for UM. Assuming it does:

-Modern Looking Stadium that gets nationwide pub
-Louder
-Seats Closer
-Better Vendors
-Reduced seating capacity (I believe)
-Potentially more shade during noon/afternoon games (not sure how the actual temp will compare due to ventilation--sure they will do a good job, though)

What is not to like here? I'm personally excited as **** about it. With the Schwartz Center nearing completion, throw in a very modern stadium in a couple years Golden and the boys have a better product to sell to recruits.

Please let this happen! One of the best parts about the Orange bowl was that we felt like we were part of the game because we were so close to the field. At Joe Robbie you have such a disattached feeling because all the seats are so far from the field.

That, and it makes us that much louder! I know that place will never be the OB, but this will at least help.

I hate bringing up these ****** ****ing gators but god **** they got the stadium aspect right. Fish bowl style. When you stand on the field it is ****ing epic. Why is it that Dolphins/NFL stadiums don't follow suit?

Smh

 

[Fzac75]

By getting the seats closer to the field, the noise effect will improve. Say what you want, but the seats don't blow, there is not a bad vantage point at Joe Robbie. For the life of me I don't get the unsubstantiated (in my view) disdain for Joe Robbie Stadium?

For those who choose not to appreciate history, when Joe Robbie had the guts and vision to build a new stadium for the Dolphins, he also had a vision for the South Florida community as well. He financed on his own, that stadium, with a vision of bringing baseball and soccer to South Florida. He invested in building a stadium that ahead of any football stadium at its time, and it was, it became the model. The stadium was built to house baseball and soccer, by doing that, it unfortunately affected the experience of the closeness of the fans to the field. But in the grand scheme of things, Joe Robbie Stadium, did what it was supposed to do and it was the first step into making Miami and South Florida a real and legitimate sports town.

 

[BigCaneAl]

By getting the seats closer to the field, the noise effect will improve. Say what you want, but the seats don't blow, there is not a bad vantage point at Joe Robbie. For the life of me I don't get the unsubstantiated (in my view) disdain for Joe Robbie Stadium?

For those who choose not to appreciate history, when Joe Robbie had the guts and vision to build a new stadium for the Dolphins, he also had a vision for the South Florida community as well. He financed on his own, that stadium, with a vision of bringing baseball and soccer to South Florida. He invested in building a stadium that ahead of any football stadium at its time, and it was, it became the model. The stadium was built to house baseball and soccer, by doing that, it unfortunately affected the experience of the closeness of the fans to the field. But in the grand scheme of things, Joe Robbie Stadium, did what it was supposed to do and it was the first step into making Miami and South Florida a real and legitimate sports town.

That's all great, but the seats are still far from the field.

 

[Fzac75]

By getting the seats closer to the field, the noise effect will improve. Say what you want, but the seats don't blow, there is not a bad vantage point at Joe Robbie. For the life of me I don't get the unsubstantiated (in my view) disdain for Joe Robbie Stadium?

For those who choose not to appreciate history, when Joe Robbie had the guts and vision to build a new stadium for the Dolphins, he also had a vision for the South Florida community as well. He financed on his own, that stadium, with a vision of bringing baseball and soccer to South Florida. He invested in building a stadium that ahead of any football stadium at its time, and it was, it became the model. The stadium was built to house baseball and soccer, by doing that, it unfortunately affected the experience of the closeness of the fans to the field. But in the grand scheme of things, Joe Robbie Stadium, did what it was supposed to do and it was the first step into making Miami and South Florida a real and legitimate sports town.

That's all great, but the seats are still far from the field.

Agreed on the distance, but that only effects the atmosphere of the noise in the game, not actually seeing the game. That is one thing Joe Robbie has, you can see the game fine from any seat. I've always stated, I'll take a big game at the OB than at Joe Robbie, but the worse seats at the OB was in the front, I remember going with my Grandfather and my dad to the Dolphins/Seahawks playoff game, we have always had season tickets to both Dolphins and UM, my grandfather hooked it up with sideline front row seats behind the Fins, absolutely the worse ******* seats couldn't see **** over the players. Now that is the reason why the noise was such a factor, but from a watching the game standpoint it sucks.