Stadium Renovations

[BisCane]

The Florida Marlins should be permanently disbanded for the havoc they caused:

First they pay off politicians to ensure they can steal the OB site

Then they blow up the OB and replace it with a freaking modern art museum of a "baseball stadium"

They use their payoffs to somehow get the taxpayers to fit the bill for their joke team.

They then after one season and horrendous attendance get rid of all their players.

And now, the real team in town, the Phins, and the other great team in town, the Canes, are going to struggle to get their stadium upgraded bc people are turned off by the ****ig Marlins.

The Marlins sold over 2.2 million tickets last season, ranking 18th out of 30 clubs. However, their stadium has a smaller capacity than most. By stadium capacity % the Marlins ranked 13th in attendance with over 73% on average. I'm no fan of corporate welfare but let's stick to the facts.

Capacity % is meaningless. Last season they sold a lot more tickets because the stadium was new, inaugural year excitement. How are they doing this year? Smart money says attendance is way down.

And if the referendum fails it will likely be due to the Marlins stadium fiasco. The public should have never been held responsible for cost overruns and that should go for Fins stadium as well. If the taxpayer is gonna pay then there should be a ceiling, a cap, with the owners on the hook for anything over the agreed amount.

 

[Boston_Cane]

The Florida Marlins should be permanently disbanded for the havoc they caused:

First they pay off politicians to ensure they can steal the OB site

Then they blow up the OB and replace it with a freaking modern art museum of a "baseball stadium"

They use their payoffs to somehow get the taxpayers to fit the bill for their joke team.

They then after one season and horrendous attendance get rid of all their players.

And now, the real team in town, the Phins, and the other great team in town, the Canes, are going to struggle to get their stadium upgraded bc people are turned off by the ****ig Marlins.

The Marlins sold over 2.2 million tickets last season, ranking 18th out of 30 clubs. However, their stadium has a smaller capacity than most. By stadium capacity % the Marlins ranked 13th in attendance with over 73% on average. I'm no fan of corporate welfare but let's stick to the facts.

Capacity % is meaningless. Last season they sold a lot more tickets because the stadium was new, inaugural year excitement. How are they doing this year? Smart money says attendance is way down.

And if the referendum fails it will likely be due to the Marlins stadium fiasco. The public should have never been held responsible for cost overruns and that should go for Fins stadium as well. If the taxpayer is gonna pay then there should be a ceiling, a cap, with the owners on the hook for anything over the agreed amount.

Capacity % is not at all meaningless. For example, last season the Dodgers (5th in total attendance) drew almost 300,000 more fans than the Red Sox (8th in total attendance) but Dodger stadium is much larger than Fenway Park. Like the Marlins, the Dodgers (12th in attendance %) sold about 73% of their tickets while the Red Sox (1st in attendance %) sold out every game.

EDIT: In other words, the capacity % is a more nuanced look at attendance figures, providing a more complete picture than total attendance alone.

 

[Picksix]

Capacity %, attendance, marlins fiasco, yada, yada, yada...

The plan is in the works so it will get done. The stadium will get it's facelift and our Canes will be playing in the nicest stadium in the ACC and possibly CFB.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Capacity % is meaningless unless the capacity of your stadium is limiting, or close to limiting, your attendance (Like Boston, Philly, SF). In those cases, the % tells you something. Clearly, with the Marlins at 73%, that is not the case. Averaging 27K in a new stadium is embarrassing. Their attendance will drop through the floor this year.

 

[Boston_Cane]

Capacity % is meaningless unless the capacity of your stadium is limiting, or close to limiting, your attendance (Like Boston, Philly, SF). In those cases, the % tells you something. Clearly, with the Marlins at 73%, that is not the case. Averaging 27K in a new stadium is embarrassing. Their attendance will drop through the floor this year.

The capacity of your stadium, by definition, limits your attendance. This is getting stupid.

EDIT: I misread you. In any case, selling 2.2m tickets was not a bad outcome considering how bad they were. They could have filled that place with a better on field product. I think baseball can thrive in Miami.

 

[Picksix]

Capacity % is meaningless unless the capacity of your stadium is limiting, or close to limiting, your attendance (Like Boston, Philly, SF). In those cases, the % tells you something. Clearly, with the Marlins at 73%, that is not the case. Averaging 27K in a new stadium is embarrassing. Their attendance will drop through the floor this year.

The capacity of your stadium, by definition, limits your attendance. This is getting stupid.

EDIT: I misread you. In any case, selling 2.2m tickets was not a bad outcome considering how bad they were. They could have filled that place with a better on field product. I think baseball can thrive in Miami.

What did the two world series wins give it away? Maybe if the owner doesn't sell every time the team is good the fans would actually attend the games?

 

[CyberCane]

Sounds like this deal is definitely going to get done. I know the feelings are mixed on the renderings, but this could be huge for UM. Assuming it does:

-Modern Looking Stadium that gets nationwide pub
-Louder
-Seats Closer
-Better Vendors
-Reduced seating capacity (I believe)
-Potentially more shade during noon/afternoon games (not sure how the actual temp will compare due to ventilation--sure they will do a good job, though)

What is not to like here? I'm personally excited as **** about it. With the Schwartz Center nearing completion, throw in a very modern stadium in a couple years Golden and the boys have a better product to sell to recruits.

Please let this happen! One of the best parts about the Orange bowl was that we felt like we were part of the game because we were so close to the field. At Joe Robbie you have such a disattached feeling because all the seats are so far from the field.

That, and it makes us that much louder when were close! I know that place will never be the OB, but this will at least help.

Seats will be closer...that's a big part of the deal. Dig the field deeper, add seats, reduce sideline area.

 

[CyberCane]

Are SoFL voters in the mood to vote for a tax increase to fund renovations on a privately owned stadium? I guess we'll find out in May. But it doesn't read like definitely getting done to me.

Explain to me how raising the bed tax by a point effects the "common man" of Miami-Dade?

 

[CyberCane]

Dolphins need to foot the bill 100%.

Just foolish. Do you want to go the way of PSL's?

 

[cane305]

if this deal is done, when will the renovations take place? also, when this is going on, does this mean we can't play there?

 

[CyberCane]

if this deal is done, when will the renovations take place? also, when this is going on, does this mean we can't play there?

Deal is not done. If you read the article, you can tell that it's just a matter of time before it is, however.

 

[PUNCICANE]

Obviously the situation could be exponentially better but beggars can't be choosers and a baby step in the right direction is still a step in the right direction. Go Canes!

"Baby step?" After $400M, it will be the ONLY step. Think about it.

Tex

that capital improvement is driven by the Super Bowl bids, not UM football

 

[88]

Canopy to help with heat plus increased noise by a ****load + seats moved much closer to the field will be night and day. I guess one positive from playing at an NFL stadium as opposed to an on campus stadium is there'd be a large seating capacity to pack the house for big games as opposed to a 40-45 k stadium Miami would probably have built if they could.

 

[PUNCICANE]

Canopy to help with heat plus increased noise by a ****load + seats moved much closer to the field will be night and day. I guess one positive from playing at an NFL stadium as opposed to an on campus stadium is there'd be a large seating capacity to pack the house for big games as opposed to a 40-45 k stadium Miami would probably have built if they could.

much rather our own 40-45k stadium

 

[88]

Canopy to help with heat plus increased noise by a ****load + seats moved much closer to the field will be night and day. I guess one positive from playing at an NFL stadium as opposed to an on campus stadium is there'd be a large seating capacity to pack the house for big games as opposed to a 40-45 k stadium Miami would probably have built if they could.

much rather our own 40-45k stadium

Obviously. I was looking at the bright side.

 

[BisCane]

Are SoFL voters in the mood to vote for a tax increase to fund renovations on a privately owned stadium? I guess we'll find out in May. But it doesn't read like definitely getting done to me.

Explain to me how raising the bed tax by a point effects the "common man" of Miami-Dade?

Makes hotels in Ft lauderdale more attactive and more competitive...more business for Broward tourism

 

[561Cane]

Sure they sold about 2.2 million tickets but actual butts in seats was about 1.4. Flat out pathetic! The Marlins missed the mark in attendance big time and the POS of owner grossly overpaid for players driving his team payroll from $70M to $110M. And why the mess they are in....

F them!

The Florida Marlins should be permanently disbanded for the havoc they caused:

First they pay off politicians to ensure they can steal the OB site

Then they blow up the OB and replace it with a freaking modern art museum of a "baseball stadium"

They use their payoffs to somehow get the taxpayers to fit the bill for their joke team.

They then after one season and horrendous attendance get rid of all their players.

And now, the real team in town, the Phins, and the other great team in town, the Canes, are going to struggle to get their stadium upgraded bc people are turned off by the ****ig Marlins.

The Marlins sold over 2.2 million tickets last season, ranking 18th out of 30 clubs. However, their stadium has a smaller capacity than most. By stadium capacity % the Marlins ranked 13th in attendance with over 73% on average. I'm no fan of corporate welfare but let's stick to the facts.

 

[CyberCane]

Are SoFL voters in the mood to vote for a tax increase to fund renovations on a privately owned stadium? I guess we'll find out in May. But it doesn't read like definitely getting done to me.

Explain to me how raising the bed tax by a point effects the "common man" of Miami-Dade?

Makes hotels in Ft lauderdale more attactive and more competitive...more business for Broward tourism

Ok...please tell me that you know what 1% of $250 is. If you're telling me that if that dollar amount increase was imposed, people would literally start looking elsewhere--then you are not worth debating with. The $750+ a night hotels in Dade will not be effected at all.

 

[TexCane]

Canopy to help with heat plus increased noise by a ****load + seats moved much closer to the field will be night and day. I guess one positive from playing at an NFL stadium as opposed to an on campus stadium is there'd be a large seating capacity to pack the house for big games as opposed to a 40-45 k stadium Miami would probably have built if they could.

Just a point of information... UM averages, with the BIG GAMES, 49,000 in attendance. A new 50,000 seat stadium at Tropical Park would be perfect. We could design it for both noise and shade. It would make UM tickets the hottest around and hard to get. That's better than 20,000 in a 76,000 seat coffin 25 miles from campus and seats a mile from the field in the blazing sun.

Also, remember that this will probably be Miami's last chance for a stadium of their own (remember how SLS honored the Gators championship team on "our home field?")

JMO

Tex

 

[4th-and-14]

If you look at the renderings, only one of the 4 sides (the home side, i think) has any seats being moved closer, with the end zones, and visitor side staying exactly the same. I'll take whatever I can get, but don't expect this thing to look like Oregon. More of a modest partial improvement than a drastic change. Still better than nothing.