South Florida '25 - The CBs

The dude who just wont he heisman is a SOUTH FLORIDA product. There's more coming down the pike my brudda. ( i dont like em but Jason Marshall likely is a draft pick at cb)

LA is densely populated they dont have sh*t but Mcduffie. The population an per capita of florida never works as the STate numbers are skewed by the m illions of old ppl living in state that dont know how to play cover 3.

After the group you listed there are about four south florida dbs that fluctuate in that top 30 cbs in the league yearly. Thats with young guys like Tyrique Stevenson expected to possibly make progressions.

Guys like Fabian Moreua and Artie Burns will be loggin starter snaps this week.

A pff list of "top" cbs pre 2024 nfl szn had i think 7 or 8 state of florida corners on it.

But i know u been on our decline in elite level db play and you may have a point. But the numbers are still flowing which eventially will push guys up in my opinion.

Whats crazy is LA and Houston.

Especially LA. tHEY WERE DOING 7 ON 7 LIKE 15-20 YEARS BEFORE US OVER HERE....THEY HAVE SPREAD OFFENSES FOR EVER..while south florida was still running wing t and pro style...and they dont produce good corners for the most part. Its a lil unique to me...
How many years did Travis Hunted live in SF?
 
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The dude who just wont he heisman is a SOUTH FLORIDA product. There's more coming down the pike my brudda. ( i dont like em but Jason Marshall likely is a draft pick at cb)

LA is densely populated they dont have sh*t but Mcduffie. The population an per capita of florida never works as the STate numbers are skewed by the m illions of old ppl living in state that dont know how to play cover 3.

After the group you listed there are about four south florida dbs that fluctuate in that top 30 cbs in the league yearly. Thats with young guys like Tyrique Stevenson expected to possibly make progressions.

Guys like Fabian Moreua and Artie Burns will be loggin starter snaps this week.

A pff list of "top" cbs pre 2024 nfl szn had i think 7 or 8 state of florida corners on it.

But i know u been on our decline in elite level db play and you may have a point. But the numbers are still flowing which eventially will push guys up in my opinion.

Whats crazy is LA and Houston.

Especially LA. tHEY WERE DOING 7 ON 7 LIKE 15-20 YEARS BEFORE US OVER HERE....THEY HAVE SPREAD OFFENSES FOR EVER..while south florida was still running wing t and pro style...and they dont produce good corners for the most part. Its a lil unique to me...
LA is a shocker. California has literally been doing 7 on 7 since the 70s, started using spread offenses in the 70s, first state with the specialized position training (Todd Marinovich) and the high schools with the huge weight rooms/facilities, etc. Everything Texas is known for now, they actually got it from California in the late 90s/early 00s.

Florida has just been doing this off pure talent. Our facilities suck and our coaches don't get paid jack ****. My alma mater is still using the same weight equipment from 1997.
 
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You already know what it is. South Florida is a DB factory. There is not a region in America that can compete with the quantity and quality of DBs that we have produced over the years.

Since I took this series over in 2023, we have had Antione Jackson (ECU/UCF), D'Angelo Ponds (James Madison/Indiana), Xavier Lucas (Wisconsin), OJ Frederique (Miami), Daniel Harris (UGA), Luke Evans (MS State/Miami-OH), Edwin Joseph (FSU), Kimari Robinson (Duke), Ahmere Foster (Marshall), Victor Evans III (FIU), Malik Willis (Campbell), Will Ferrell (Presbyterian), Guylijah Theodule (Marshall), Lawrence Johnson (FAU), Kal-El Pascal (Bowling Green) Matthew McKenzie (Bethune Cookman) become contributors at the next level. Guys like Damari Brown (Miami), Darrell Sweeting (Temple), Dwight Bootle (Nebraska) and Nazir Ward (WKU) played early but were struck by injury, while Rayquan Adkins (Cincinnati/James Madison) was a starter as a freshman but ran into legal issues. This class I expect a good amount of these guys to continue the trend of South Florida corners producing.

Ben Hanks Jr., Booker T. Washington (6'1" 170) - Attended Doral Academy as a freshman. Looks and plays like a 5 star defensive back. Elite ballhawk (13 picks as a senior) with Niagara Falls-esque hips. Knack for blocking field goals. Dominant in camp settings. Also played offense and could have been a prospect at WR if he focused there. District champion in the 400M. Also played baseball. Dad played at UF and in the NFL. UF signee.



Chris Ewald, Chaminade Madonna (6'0" 165) - Played varsity at TRU Prep as an 8th grader. Aggressive, long-armed press coverage terrorist that cut his teeth against the best competition in America. 7 picks and 49 PBUs in career. Starred on the 7v7 circuit with Defcon. Very technically sound and won't need much work. Despite being light, isn't scared to mix it up in the run game. Will eat in a bump-and-run scheme. Miami signee.




Tywan Cox, Miami Northwestern (5'11" 165) - Chaminade transfer. Feisty nickel prospect with real speed. Verified track speed (10.79 100M, 21.05 200M) and it shows on tape. Willing to come up and make a rude introduction to the running back. Dad, Torrie, starred at Pitt and played six seasons in the NFL for Tampa Bay. Older brother, Torrie Jr., is one of the best DBs in the country at Illinois after starting out at Ohio. Illinois signee.

Caden Gordon, Santaluces (6'1" 170) - WR convert with real tools. Very good press corner with long arms & the ability to reroute receivers with ease. Hard hitter. Very surprising twitch. No verified track times but fast as ****. Underrated. NC State signee.


Tavius Horne, Atlantic (5'11" 160) - Spent junior year at STA but went back to Atlantic for senior year. Speedy cover corner from a DB factory. Verified track speed (10.78 100M, 21.44 200M) and it shows on film. A threat to take a pick to the house. Very hard hitter. Claims 4.35 40 and 37" vertical. Unsure how he was so underrated. East Carolina signee.

Herlin Perry, Miami Central (5'11" 165) - Originally from Providence, Rhode Island. Transferred from La Salle (RI) Academy. Sticky cover corner with good ball skills. A pick and 8 PBUs as a senior. USF signee.

Zion Paret, Miami Central (5'10" 165) - Originally from Tallahassee. 4 picks and 10 PBUs as a sophomore at North Florida Christian. Transferred to Northwestern as a junior and put up a pick and 5 PBUs. Played for the Rockets as a senior and recorded 2 picks and 6 PBUs. Twitchy ballhawk with the ability to stay in the receiver's hip. Plays outside in HS but may be a better nickel/FS at the next level. Track background. FAU signee.

Camari Hall, Chaminade Madonna (5'8" 175) - Attended both McArthur and South Broward before finishing at Chaminade. Explosive nickel prospect that plays with a head full of steam. Hits like a tow truck. Explosive RB on offense and could play there on the next level. Middle Tennesee State signee.

Jamarcus Pierre, Cardinal Gibbons (5'9" 170) - Deerfield Beach transfer. Another speedy nickel prospect. Verified speed (10.89 100M) and it shows on his film. Lethal with the ball in his hands. Plays with his hair on fire. Violent in the run game. Underrated. Temple signee.

Kelly Sejour Jr., Chaminade Madonna (5'9" 165) - Started out at Central. Ballhawk cover corner that pests receivers like a mosquito. Played against elite competition. 5 picks and 37 PBUs in varsity career. Twitchy backpedal and quick feet. Can play both outside and nickel. Track background. Underrated. Chattanooga signee.

Zaheed Pierre, West Broward (5'9 165) - Flanagan transfer. Sticky cover corner with good speed. Hard hitter. Claims 4.4 40. Eastern Michigan signee.

Josh Smith, The Benjamin School (6'0" 170) - Martin County transfer. Cover corner with good length. Played offense and the ball skills translate. No track times but plays fast. Army signee.


Jett White, Edison (6'2" 170) - Originally from California and spent time at Los Alamitos and Orange HS before coming to South Florida as a junior. Long bump-and-run specialist that terrorizes receivers. Plays faster than track times (24.09 200M.) Was a high 4 star, ranked as one of the best DBs in the country in California as a sophomore, then fell to a mid 3 star. I'm shocked at the fall off because his Florida film is still great. Was committed to Maryland and has an OV to Temple this weekend.



Somehow I missed this and just noticed this today (Sunday morning).

Dolph what was Torrie Jr recruitment like? Do u remember? He went to Chaminade but went under the radar
 
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I know.

And there's only one.

If yall wanna count 1st or early round busts, then be my guest, but if the barometer is quality of play, there's literally only one.

OK but doesn't seem like that's what this thread is about, right? It's about high school corners.

And like @gogeta4 says

After the group you listed there are about four south florida dbs that fluctuate in that top 30 cbs in the league yearly. Thats with young guys like Tyrique Stevenson expected to possibly make progressions.

Top 10 is kinda subjective number.
 
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Somehow I missed this and just noticed this today (Sunday morning).

Dolph what was Torrie Jr recruitment like? Do u remember? He went to Chaminade but went under the radar
Typical South Florida nickel profile. Sticky ballhawk with production (ten picks between junior & senior year) and fast (11.09 100M, 22.26 200M) but small (5'8" 165)
 
Typical South Florida nickel profile. Sticky ballhawk with production (ten picks between junior & senior year) and fast (11.09 100M, 22.26 200M) but small (5'8" 165)

ahh I see so it was probably his height why he went under the radar. I remember you bringing him during the Nebraska vs Illinois game and I didn't know he was from down here
 
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LA is a shocker. California has literally been doing 7 on 7 since the 70s, started using spread offenses in the 70s, first state with the specialized position training (Todd Marinovich) and the high schools with the huge weight rooms/facilities, etc. Everything Texas is known for now, they actually got it from California in the late 90s/early 00s.

Florida has just been doing this off pure talent. Our facilities suck and our coaches don't get paid jack ****. My alma mater is still using the same weight equipment from 1997.
in the off szn my hs coaches told us to get an La fitness gym membership. lol

Me and my friends literally trained stayed in shape....Playing back yard football at our neighborhood park every day after school..or running track. This is in the early 2000s, and i went fcs along with a number of my friends who did the same....NO REAL WEIGHT PROGRAMMING. LOL
The first time i ever power cleaned i was a freshman in........COLLEGE.

WE GOT IT OFF THE MUSCLE OUT THE MUD US AY...STRAIGHT RAW TALENT DOWN HERE AND STILL IS.

Probably under 10 schools in the tri county have legit programming that the avg school in ga or texas has..i aint talking about the powerhouse im talking about your 500 level team in those states.

STA likely is on par with the big dogs in any state as far as weight training/s&c an all that.
 
Somehow I missed this and just noticed this today (Sunday morning).

Dolph what was Torrie Jr recruitment like? Do u remember? He went to Chaminade but went under the radar
he is short.

Has some of the dad traits...I thought Ohio was reaching when they offered him but he developed well there. Im saying this because he was the cb we wanted to target when we played chaminade.
I think the younger brother is slightly bigger with good upside as well.

Torrie i think was Teddy B's dc this year at MNW....he talks THE MOST sh*t...lol
 
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he didnt move to colins hill until high school.

Listen to what his dad said...



He even stated he aint evem from Boynton let alone georgia lol...He from DOWNTOWN


LMAO I luv the dad said Nah we ain't from Georgia or Boynton Beach...Downtown Palm Beach
 
So is it SF or FL in general?

And if the criteria is sheer numbers drafted, then yes.

But QUALITY of play, Pat Surtain II is all there is if you're using the NFL metric.







Whether he's the best is debatable, this season Derek Stingley Jr & Christian Gonzalez have actually been the best CB's in the league, with having the lowest reception rate based on targets faced.

PS2 gives up 72% of the targets he covers. He's very good, but other than him, who else does SF have if it's a QUALITY of play debate?

The top 10 best CB's in the NFL
- Christian Gonzalez
- Derek Stingley Jr
- Pat Surtain II
- Jaylon Johnson
- Denzel Ward
- Ahmad Gardner
- Jaire Alexander
- Marlon Humphrey
- Jaycee Horn
- Trent McDuffie

Where is the over representation of SF at?

What yall are really having is a population debate. FL is a densely populated state with a ton of Football players, of course they're going to have a bunch of players drafted. But when you look around the leagues, both College & NFL, you can count on one hand how many of them are actually dominant.

There's 1 Elite SF CB in the NFL & maybe 2 or 3 at most that can even be considered "Good" on the college level.

For a region that produces as many recruits & NFL draft picks, there should be a whole **** of a lot more represented at the top.

Regions that have a significantly smaller populations per capita shouldn't even be on any list for CB's, if SF produces the BEST ones...

Good points overall on everything but they have not been cbs better than ps2 this year, the targets he gives up have been garbage time before the half, off coverage hitches type ****. He has been locked down and the main reason broncos have a top defense.

Gonzo and sting tuff tho for sure

Are the guys you named from the same regions tho? Or are multiple of them from the areas, genuinely asking ? I dont think to get an accurate answer it should be who is the best of the best in the league only.

This isn’t saying sfla or any region has the best, just saying its a flawed criteria to only mention the best of the best in the nfl. Thats gonna be a small list
 
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Good points overall on everything but they have not been cbs better than ps2 this year, the targets he gives up have been garbage time before the half, off coverage hitches type ****. He has been locked down and the main reason broncos have a top defense.

Gonzo and sting tuff tho for sure

Are the guys you named from the same regions tho? Or are multiple of them from the areas, genuinely asking ? I dont think to get an accurate answer it should be who is the best of the best in the league only.

This isn’t saying sfla or any region has the best, just saying its a flawed criteria to only mention the best of the best in the nfl. Thats gonna be a small list
Statistically speaking Christian Gonzalez has absolutely been the best CB in the league, by every measure. There hasn't been a single WR this season that he's faced that has put up #'s on him. And he's doing this without having a pass rush of any kind.



PS2 benefits from playing on a very well rounded Defense that can affect the game at all 3 levels. Meaning, he's not the only good player they have on that Defense. CG, is all New England has.

That's the criteria that D$ went with, so that's what I used.

If we just went by college it wouldn't even be close. There isn't a single SF CB in College that would register among the top 10 in the Nation & its debatable if they would crack the top 20.

The whole point I was making from the beginning is that it's just not true to say "South FL produces the best CB's in the country", they simply don't. I wish they did, but the facts are the facts & the fact show that's not the case at all.

Now, if people wanna argue SF produces a high number of Corners, I mean sure. Idk exactly if that's something to be celebrated necessarily considering CB is literally the most drafted position annually in the league, with about 34-38 on average getting drafted every year. Which means teams will draft a bunch CB's who aren't even necessarily that good, but it's a position of need due to injury pile up throughout the season & because of the turn towards being a heavy passing league over the last few years.

The same goes for college. CB is a heavy position of need in College because of the all the Air Raid & Run/Shoot passing attacks around the country. Also, it's the most converted to position in Football. Whenever a WR can't catch or run routes, they put him at CB. If a Safety has any kinda Speed, he'll be moved to CB. Even some RB's when they don't have the stout low center of gravity type physical build will get moved to CB if they have good speed & fluidity.

But point is, it's a high demand position, therefore, teams are willing to take more at that spot than most other spots. Which means that a high QUANTITY of players at that spot will be recruited there. Doesn't mean they're all good, in fact, just based on law averages most of them won't be good.

I get the argument & maybe some years ago it was true. But currently right now, in 2024-25, saying that the best CB's come from SF just isn't true. If it were, I would be the main one pushing the narrative.

I don't think any region actually produces the best of any one positon in Football, except for QB. But every other position, it's pretty much even across the board. People confuse a high volume concentration of a particular position group from one region as meaning "GOOD", but that's not the case.

There's an argument to be made for SF producing the best Edge rushers & RB's, but QB, WR, CB, LB, is an old narrative based on the glory years & not recent history.

The best WR's annually, have been coming from East STL & Louisiana for the most part. But if you read this board, you would think they all come from SF & that's not remotely true. It's the same thing with CB, it's more myth than fact.
 
Statistically speaking Christian Gonzalez has absolutely been the best CB in the league, by every measure. There hasn't been a single WR this season that he's faced that has put up #'s on him. And he's doing this without having a pass rush of any kind.



PS2 benefits from playing on a very well rounded Defense that can affect the game at all 3 levels. Meaning, he's not the only good player they have on that Defense. CG, is all New England has.

That's the criteria that D$ went with, so that's what I used.

If we just went by college it wouldn't even be close. There isn't a single SF CB in College that would register among the top 10 in the Nation & its debatable if they would crack the top 20.

The whole point I was making from the beginning is that it's just not true to say "South FL produces the best CB's in the country", they simply don't. I wish they did, but the facts are the facts & the fact show that's not the case at all.

Now, if people wanna argue SF produces a high number of Corners, I mean sure. Idk exactly if that's something to be celebrated necessarily considering CB is literally the most drafted position annually in the league, with about 34-38 on average getting drafted every year. Which means teams will draft a bunch CB's who aren't even necessarily that good, but it's a position of need due to injury pile up throughout the season & because of the turn towards being a heavy passing league over the last few years.

The same goes for college. CB is a heavy position of need in College because of the all the Air Raid & Run/Shoot passing attacks around the country. Also, it's the most converted to position in Football. Whenever a WR can't catch or run routes, they put him at CB. If a Safety has any kinda Speed, he'll be moved to CB. Even some RB's when they don't have the stout low center of gravity type physical build will get moved to CB if they have good speed & fluidity.

But point is, it's a high demand position, therefore, teams are willing to take more at that spot than most other spots. Which means that a high QUANTITY of players at that spot will be recruited there. Doesn't mean they're all good, in fact, just based on law averages most of them won't be good.

I get the argument & maybe some years ago it was true. But currently right now, in 2024-25, saying that the best CB's come from SF just isn't true. If it were, I would be the main one pushing the narrative.

I don't think any region actually produces the best of any one positon in Football, except for QB. But every other position, it's pretty much even across the board. People confuse a high volume concentration of a particular position group from one region as meaning "GOOD", but that's not the case.

There's an argument to be made for SF producing the best Edge rushers & RB's, but QB, WR, CB, LB, is an old narrative based on the glory years & not recent history.

The best WR's annually, have been coming from East STL & Louisiana for the most part. But if you read this board, you would think they all come from SF & that's not remotely true. It's the same thing with CB, it's more myth than fact.

We’ll just agree to disagree on the ps2 gonzo stuff. I think he has been great, but #2. Both all pro. I think broncos defense benefits way more from having ps2 than the other way around.

And i agree with your point if the argument is simply who produces the best. i think having a high quantity is valuable tho
 
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