Someone who supports Coach D answer this for me...

[919Cane2DaGrave]

People need to sit back and give Coach D the benefit of the doubt until he gets his players in. He will turn this defense around given time. Last year I thought he did a nice job with the hand he was dealt considering the injuries and suspensions. This year his talent is simply awful and he is simply in a no win spot.

Golden knows football and respects the heck out of Coach D as a friend and football coach. As bad as this defense is, I think this guy can coach.

Our talent is not 118th bad though. You can't convince me of that. We're not that bad to give up 30 straight carries for 286 yards in the second half. No DIV1 team is that bad except us.

 

[Consigliere]

Listen I am not a fan of giving up yards but it should be the points that is driving you insane. No amount of yards equal points, yards COULD lead to points but it is not guaranteed. Yards may increase TOP but more TOP doesn't guarantee points either.

I understand what you're saying bro, but think about this. We play a bend but don't break style of defense and we're 118th in the country. It's bending and breaking right now. Be more aggressive. Change the way you cover the pass. Change the way you blitz because the blitzes aren't working. Change the scheme.

Giving up yards leads to points and its retarded I have to say that.

I am not sold on changing the blitz will fix the way we blitz (meaning get the result). Our DL is so ******* bad that picking up an extra man or two (the person blitzing) is not much help because our DL is so easily head in check.

I am not defending Coach D, it is the points that I notice first. I can hardly get over the points thing, the yards things is terrible too but I can't get pass the points.

To me (the yards points thing) is like saying to a gun shot victim, hey you were shot in the heart and your going to die shortly and just so you know we also found a brain tumor. You can POSSIBLY live with the tumor (the yards), but the real issue the gun shot (the points) is what kills.

I know we need to change things, I am not happy with anything going on.

 

[mydas77]

People need to sit back and give Coach D the benefit of the doubt until he gets his players in. He will turn this defense around given time. Last year I thought he did a nice job with the hand he was dealt considering the injuries and suspensions. This year his talent is simply awful and he is simply in a no win spot.

Golden knows football and respects the heck out of Coach D as a friend and football coach. As bad as this defense is, I think this guy can coach.

What is this based on? What have you seen that leads you to this conclusion? Certainly it cannot be something you see on Saturdays.

I don't want the man fired, but he has been a tremendous disappointment thus far. He was supposed to be the ace of this staff.

 

[Mico Jones]

just watched the game again and everything is bad. d line gets walled off, linebackers get swallowed at the second level and (other than Deon Bush) safeties are slow and take bad angles. the corners play 10 yards off but get torched on practically every seam route thrown against them.

I know the d line gets a lot of the blame, but watch the ND highlights and count the number of times you see a big gain result from a poor angle by Paul, Johnson, Telemaque, Highsmith and Rodgers. That has nothing to do with scheme, that's just an issue of athleticism and instinct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Np-0X_bcJw

WTF are you taking about its not about scheme?

Look again. thanks for finding the highlights. First run is a microcosm of the No D ofrio mindset.

41 seconds = ND has a tightend and one back. We are in a 4-3 bas with our safeties deep and a LB lines up wide on the slot. That's 5 lineman, a tight end against 4 defensive lineman and 2 lbs in the box for Miami.In case you can't count, counting the tailback who was leading on the play that's 7 blockers on 6.Why do this when ND has a Freshman QB that hasn't beaten anyone with his arm and Kelly would love to run on every down?

1.20 Seconds = Then look at the first goal line score. Watch the NFL. NO ONE lines up against a pro set double tight on goal line without at least 5 DLs and two backers on the inside. Miami is lines up in a base 4-3 under weak with both tackles head up on the guard. Then watch as ND pulls a guard into the soft spot(where there should have been a nose guard) of the formation for an overwhelming blocking advantage . Who from Miami is there to stop it? Two jumbo Tes and 3 offensive linemans blocking two DL, one LB and Two Dbs. That's a win every time.

There is only one LB on that side Paul who gets swallowed, the other defenders are Bush and Highsmith.

 

[FinsFishandCaneS]

lmfao.

 

[mydas77]

We can't stop the run

We can't stop the pass

We can't time up blitzes

We can't blitz

We can't cover

We can't take proper angles against the run or pass

What can we do on defense?

 

[valid]

I don't think you can really defend a 118th ranked unit. BUT...how many teams have played 2 top 10 teams and all but 2 games on the road with mostly young or inexperienced players? I don't know if D'onfrio is a crap coach....but its not like he was terrible last year. We ranked 45th last year with an absolutely horrid secondary. Maybe his defensive style does not cater well to inexperience....i don't know. but losing Regis, M.Robinson, Forston, Vernon, Ojomo has hurt a ton.

IMO we should'nt call for his head until we see what he does with players that develop in his system. Next year is a good time to pass judgement.

let me PM you something...I dont wanna post stuff about other boards **** all that *** etiquette stuff but im tryna step on toes, but I want you to read this write up.

basically, until 2011 we were among the top 40. Last year was the worst defense statistically since 1999. Seriously. In efficiency, the site the info was garnered from only started keeping it in 2007. Worst since then. Now this season its an abortion.

Here's some food for thought...Last year Bama gave up under 3000 yards (either 24 or 2800). In 6 games we've given up 3000 +. I'm not saying we're alabama good. But we can't possibly be this bad. Something is very wrong with this situation. Combination of play calling, overall scheme and coaching that scheme. This is not the 118th most talented D in america. Honestly, if we were just in the top 75 that would be cool. Its just so bad right now..

read it earlier and I get it. BUT..all of those teams since 2007 had alot more talent/experience than this 2012 team. Vegas Franklin, Eric Moncur, Teraz McCray....all better players than Green, Pierre, Smith, etc.

This is the worst defensive personnel we have ever had outside of the LBs.

**** **** naw they weren't. franklin was 245 lbs. Moncur and Mccray were JAGS. Yes they were older, but this Dline is significantly bigger and stronger based on numbers posted this spring and going into the season. It's not about the Dline to me. Its about asking them to play a different technique then they're used to. We're asking them to occupy blocks instead of get penetration because our Corch is worried about cutbacks.

Well, they cutback, run over around and thru us anyway. So lets try and make it 2nd and 12 instead of 2nd and 7. Maybe we miss on the penetration maybe we hit. But its better than sitting back and being face raped for 40 minutes.

Bigger? yes. But those guys were more athletic and created a pass rush.... Those 3 alone combined for over 20 sacks in 2007. The group we have now are slow and can't beat their man......this is a major reason why we suck so badly.

 

[Catskill Cane]

I don't think you can really defend a 118th ranked unit. BUT...how many teams have played 2 top 10 teams and all but 2 games on the road with mostly young or inexperienced players? I don't know if D'onfrio is a crap coach....but its not like he was terrible last year. We ranked 45th last year with an absolutely horrid secondary. Maybe his defensive style does not cater well to inexperience....i don't know. but losing Regis, M.Robinson, Forston, Vernon, Ojomo has hurt a ton.

IMO we should'nt call for his head until we see what he does with players that develop in his system. Next year is a good time to pass judgement.

PERSPECTIVE....pass it on

 

[Mico Jones]

just watched the game again and everything is bad. d line gets walled off, linebackers get swallowed at the second level and (other than Deon Bush) safeties are slow and take bad angles. the corners play 10 yards off but get torched on practically every seam route thrown against them.

I know the d line gets a lot of the blame, but watch the ND highlights and count the number of times you see a big gain result from a poor angle by Paul, Johnson, Telemaque, Highsmith and Rodgers. That has nothing to do with scheme, that's just an issue of athleticism and instinct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Np-0X_bcJw

WTF are you taking about its not about scheme?

Look again. thanks for finding the highlights. First run is a microcosm of the No D ofrio mindset.

41 seconds = ND has a tightend and one back. We are in a 4-3 bas with our safeties deep and a LB lines up wide on the slot. That's 5 lineman, a tight end against 4 defensive lineman and 2 lbs in the box for Miami.In case you can't count, counting the tailback who was leading on the play that's 7 blockers on 6.Why do this when ND has a Freshman QB that hasn't beaten anyone with his arm and Kelly would love to run on every down?

1.20 Seconds = Then look at the first goal line score. Watch the NFL. NO ONE lines up against a pro set double tight on goal line without at least 5 DLs and two backers on the inside. Miami is lines up in a base 4-3 under weak with both tackles head up on the guard. Then watch as ND pulls a guard into the soft spot(where there should have been a nose guard) of the formation for an overwhelming blocking advantage . Who from Miami is there to stop it? Two jumbo Tes and 3 offensive linemans blocking two DL, one LB and Two Dbs. That's a win every time.

There is only one LB on that side Paul who gets swallowed, the other defenders are Bush and Highsmith.

LMAO

2:44 Seconds = Cierre Wood long run. Same deal except this time its not the QB running. ND runs stretch strong side, hole opens up backside. Again, why is there a linebacker lined up on the slot?

3:17 Second = Again, goal line lined up in 4-3 under but at least this time the LB is to the strong side of the formation because the TE motions. Notre runs the exact same play with the free blocker that should have been covered by a Nose Guard.

ND is creating situations with more blockers against less defenders that's good offensive coaching. Miami doesn't create situations with more defenders overwhelming less blockers thats **** poor No D ofrio.

 

[rok]

just watched the game again and everything is bad. d line gets walled off, linebackers get swallowed at the second level and (other than Deon Bush) safeties are slow and take bad angles. the corners play 10 yards off but get torched on practically every seam route thrown against them.

I know the d line gets a lot of the blame, but watch the ND highlights and count the number of times you see a big gain result from a poor angle by Paul, Johnson, Telemaque, Highsmith and Rodgers. That has nothing to do with scheme, that's just an issue of athleticism and instinct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Np-0X_bcJw

OMFG at 2:44 of this video. Oh my christ almighty please kill me.

 

[losdogcane]

I'm not excusing Coach D'nofrio by any means but GOTDAM!
McCord Moore Ivery Chikolo
E Johnson Perryman Paul
Finnie MaGee
Highsmith Bush

They got a lot of burn Saturday and That is scary young and inexperienced!

 

[Notsince1985]

I'm not a supporter, and I (and no one) can defend this defense, but I'm also not going to call for his head until I see what he can do with real players.

 

[CINCYCANESFAN]

notsince1985, how long do we have to wait for this defense to get better because the way i see it, its not going to happen anytime soon. so do we give corch d another year because the players are going to be the same other than VT and mcgee. we dont have the players up front to run this type of scheme and not next year either.

 

[Notsince1985]

notsince1985, how long do we have to wait for this defense to get better because the way i see it, its not going to happen anytime soon. so do we give corch d another year because the players are going to be the same other than VT and mcgee. we dont have the players up front to run this type of scheme and not next year either.

I would look for any improvement this year, and if not then you evaluate and make a decision, but I honestly think one more year. I know no one likes to hear it, but we're still young, and the older guys who are playing either are not good (Rodgers, Highsmith, VT) or are inexperienced (Green, Cain).

 

[UMFarArcher]

It's one damned thing to want to instill a 'system.'

It's another thing when you don't have the crew present to instill that system.

It's yet ANOTHER thing to not at least coach to what you HAVE, and not what you hope one day TO HAVE!

If you ideally need a 22oz. framing hammer, but only have a 16oz. claw hammer, then you have to adjust a bit - grip, swing, hold-off, etc.

If you need a Claymore for an ambush but only have grenades for the initial opening, you have to do things a bit differently. ****.

What worries me is that I don't see this SOB making ANY adjustments to compensate for the inexperience until a schittload of criticisms show up all frikkin' week on this site and others - and even THEN - are only token, occasional variations.

Someone with football experience - PLEASE tell me why you don't want your corners popping the receivers at the snap, and then staying in their face for a few seconds? Please tell me the advantage of passive, distant coverage over aggressive tight coverage?

 

[919Cane2DaGrave]

It's one damned thing to want to instill a 'system.'

It's another thing when you don't have the crew present to instill that system.

It's yet ANOTHER thing to not at least coach to what you HAVE, and not what you hope one day TO HAVE!

If you ideally need a 22oz. framing hammer, but only have a 16oz. claw hammer, then you have to adjust a bit - grip, swing, hold-off, etc.

If you need a Claymore for an ambush but only have grenades for the initial opening, you have to do things a bit differently. ****.

What worries me is that I don't see this SOB making ANY adjustments to compensate for the inexperience until a schittload of criticisms show up all frikkin' week on this site and others - and even THEN - are only token, occasional variations.

Someone with football experience - PLEASE tell me why you don't want your corners popping the receivers at the snap, and then staying in their face for a few seconds? Please tell me the advantage of passive, distant coverage over aggressive tight coverage?[/QUOTE]



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[DeadPoets]

Need a serious strength coach who can develop explosive players. Not just cute weight room numbers.

 

[Burr]

I don't think swaseys been getting it done for the past couple years. Since the Shannon era our guys mass and strength wise (Allen bailey doesn't count he eats alligators) has seemed a little on the small size.

 

[UMcanesfan420]

Someone who supports Corch D answer this for me...


NO! Read the other hundred threads about the same thing.

 

[Larry]

It's one damned thing to want to instill a 'system.'

It's another thing when you don't have the crew present to instill that system.

It's yet ANOTHER thing to not at least coach to what you HAVE, and not what you hope one day TO HAVE!

If you ideally need a 22oz. framing hammer, but only have a 16oz. claw hammer, then you have to adjust a bit - grip, swing, hold-off, etc.

If you need a Claymore for an ambush but only have grenades for the initial opening, you have to do things a bit differently. ****.

What worries me is that I don't see this SOB making ANY adjustments to compensate for the inexperience until a schittload of criticisms show up all frikkin' week on this site and others - and even THEN - are only token, occasional variations.

Someone with football experience - PLEASE tell me why you don't want your corners popping the receivers at the snap, and then staying in their face for a few seconds? Please tell me the advantage of passive, distant coverage over aggressive tight coverage?

Your assumptions are off...

We need a hammer, but we have a Dish Sponge
We need a Claymore, but have a Carrot.