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JZCane0825 said:
We're reportedly doubling our NIL/coaching pool budget, so no. Lucas has no ties to the the Miami area save for recruiting the Boozers so you're off on that as well.
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Why didn't we just pay more for a proven veteran coach, lower the NIL/coaching budget some, and guarantee us some level of success? What was Drad's thinking here?
 

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JZCane0825 said:
We're reportedly doubling our NIL/coaching pool budget, so no. Lucas has no ties to the the Miami area save for recruiting the Boozers so you're off on that as well.
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Saw some unanimous coach mention $6M was the prerequisite NIL pool to be a top 25 team next year. If that is accurate, doubling our NIL money would put us over that number.
 
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JayCane20 said:
Saw some unanimous coach mention $6M was the prerequisite NIL pool to be a top 25 team next year. If that is accurate, doubling our NIL money would put us over that number.
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If he was unanimous then it has to be true, right?
 
JZCane0825 said:
We're reportedly doubling our NIL/coaching pool budget, so no. Lucas has no ties to the the Miami area save for recruiting the Boozers so you're off on that as well.
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JayCane20 said:
Saw some unanimous coach mention $6M was the prerequisite NIL pool to be a top 25 team next year. If that is accurate, doubling our NIL money would put us over that number.
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From what I understand Miami's NIL was increased to about 8 mil.

For some context, Duke has their's at about 12 mil. Louisville close to 10. fsu is under 2 mil. LOL!
 
King of Allapattah said:
From what I understand Miami's NIL was increased to about 8 mil.

For some context, Duke has their's at about 12 mil. Louisville close to 10. fsu is under 2 mil. LOL!
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Would be exactly where double would put it at from what I've had estimated the last time I had that conversation after the roster was completed.. $7-8M range.

No clue on the other schools mentioned. We're above Tennessee right now and they're top 6 in the country so it can be done the way it is now but it hasn't been.
 
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AmherstCane said:
A-DINO?

If you listened to Jai’s press conference you know who ran the show with the hire and NIL funding.
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Wrong.

You are misinterpreting the linkage.

Yes, certain alums and boosters may say "I'll give X to NIL if you have a guy who knows how to spend the NIL". The decision is still Radakovich's on which direction he wants to pursue.

The Mas brothers found Jim Larranaga and encouraged UM to hire him. But Coach L was not some sort of recruiting savant, he was not a guy who was the master of the NIL dealings (or even the underhanded payments that were happening back in the pre-NIL days). There was no promise of "additional resources" as a quid pro quo for hiring Larranaga.

And we absolutely could have gone down the pathway of NOT pursuing a "5-star-recruiter" who would need us to take the NIL budget from $4M to $8M. As has already been pointed out, there are some top teams who get by on less than $8M for NIL.

The reality is that Radakovich chased the money with both JD and Jai. He didn't have to, at least on the NIL side. But he did.

And, sure, some people can say "yeah, but that's the equivalent of 'running the hiring show' so I'm going to ignore the differences", but the reality is that we could have paid a lot less (and been within our already-existing budget) if we went in another direction.

But when you've already focused your laser on Jai Lucas, the NIL money becomes a chicken-or-the-egg argument.

We could have hired a coach for less money who does not require 5-star NIL money. Radakovich just chose not to.

Big risk. It had better pay off.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
We could have hired a coach for less money who does not require 5-star NIL money. Radakovich just chose not to.

Big risk. It had better pay off.
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I think I'd make the same choice as Rad for Basketball specifically. I said in an earlier comment about if you were choosing between two same total budgets why it could make sense to go for the cheaper cost and less experience option if it means spending more on NIL and thus better players. But if that option actually comes with a significantly increased budget, it significantly increases the probability of success. Because to me in basketball if you land say 2 studs, you're pretty ******* well set up to be good. Now we don't KNOW if the bigger budget could have been available with different coach which you can also make the point of...

But just if you have two specific options of
A: Experienced coach at say $X salary which is ~80% of your total coach budget, leaving the remaining 20% for assistants, and then a $4M hard limit on NIL
vs
B: Inexperienced, yet highly regarded in recruiting, and with a pretty great resume as far as assistant coaching is concerned at maybe 50% of your total coach budget, leaving you 50% to get far better assistants WITH experience, and an increase to $8M NIL budget regardless of the coach spend...

I'm personally going to pick Choice B almost every time when it comes to Basketball AND this SPECIFIC coach scenario, because Lucas seems to be a pretty high quality choice among coaches without HC experience.


I think with baseball it is definitely different because A) I doubt we increased the NIL budget so much with JD choice specifically. And B) JD already was proving pretty bad as an assistant here from what I can tell (though I don't follow baseball really). But like its not like people even on here were looking at JD and going this is a great assistant... Whereas with Lucas I think most people would be like this guy is a good assistant and was in line for a HC job at a solid program, just maybe not likely to go right to a top ACC level (which we hope to be). JD had likely zero shot of being a HC at any even Medium level I'd assume, AND we are far better historically at Baseball than Basketball even if you heavily weight the recent Basketball success. So without a VERY signifcant increase in NIL it's clear that JDs probably going to fail. Now it also does seem like we have been actively invest in actual technology for baseball, so maybe its also possible this is about the worst it'll be, because once we get all this new technology maybe that investment will then switch to NIL... idk. But to me JD is a proven mediocre coach and choosing him didn't likely lead to a significant enough increase in NIL, as compared to Lucas who seems like a good yet inexperienced coach who is being given a significant investment increase...
 
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Calinative said:
I think I'd make the same choice as Rad for Basketball specifically. I said in an earlier comment about if you were choosing between two same total budgets why it could make sense to go for the cheaper cost and less experience option if it means spending more on NIL and thus better players. But if that option actually comes with a significantly increased budget, it significantly increases the probability of success. Because to me in basketball if you land say 2 studs, you're pretty ******* well set up to be good. Now we don't KNOW if the bigger budget could have been available with different coach which you can also make the point of...

But just if you have two specific options of
A: Experienced coach at say $X salary which is ~80% of your total coach budget, leaving the remaining 20% for assistants, and then a $4M hard limit on NIL
vs
B: Inexperienced, yet highly regarded in recruiting, and with a pretty great resume as far as assistant coaching is concerned at maybe 50% of your total coach budget, leaving you 50% to get far better assistants WITH experience, and an increase to $8M NIL budget regardless of the coach spend...

I'm personally going to pick Choice B almost every time when it comes to Basketball AND this SPECIFIC coach scenario, because Lucas seems to be a pretty high quality choice given he doens't have HC experience.


I think with baseball it is definitely different because A) I doubt we increased the NIL budget so much with JD choice specifically. And B) JD already was proving pretty bad as an assistant here from what I can tell (though I don't follow baseball really). But like its not like people even on here were looking at JD and going this is a great assistant... Whereas with Lucas I think most people would be like this guy is a good assistant and was in line for a HC job at a solid program, just maybe not likely to go right to a top ACC level (which we hope to be). JD had likely zero shot of being a HC at any even Medium level I'd assume, AND we are far better historically at Baseball than Basketball even if you heavily weight the recent Basketball success. So without a VERY signifcant increase in NIL it's clear that JDs probably going to fail. Now it also does seem like we have been actively invest in actual technology for baseball, so maybe its also possible this is about the worst it'll be, because once we get all this new technology maybe that investment will then switch to NIL... idk. But to me JD is a proven mediocre coach and choosing him didn't likely lead to a significant enough increase in NIL, as compared to Lucas who seems like a good yet inexperienced coach who is being given a significant investment increase...
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Significant for Miami, which is wonderful, but not at Duke level, so he’s down on NIL, minus blue blood pedigree and went from Nike to Adidas…

And JD is hot garbage. Miami has a model to follow of mediocre coach = paying suck tax for a roster than shouldn’t fail…
 
I’m as negative as just about anyone as it pertains to the **** stain that is the athletic department at the university of miami. From the top of the org all the way to the bottom of the org it is the definition of an Amateur organization. But with that being said:

I’m really not nearly as down as you guys are on this hire… and the optics of the hire are not nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be. Were the worst program in the acc statistically over last 2 years and we just went out and hired the #1 or #2 assistant in the country where he has had the chance to work under several big time coaches on top of being the son of a name that is borderline basketball royalty.

Out of all of the **** poor hires we’ve seen from this athletic department over the last 2 decades this one doesn’t have me scratching my head in disgust like many others have. Time will tell…
 
Calinative said:
I think I'd make the same choice as Rad for Basketball specifically. I said in an earlier comment about if you were choosing between two same total budgets why it could make sense to go for the cheaper cost and less experience option if it means spending more on NIL and thus better players. But if that option actually comes with a significantly increased budget, it significantly increases the probability of success. Because to me in basketball if you land say 2 studs, you're pretty ******* well set up to be good. Now we don't KNOW if the bigger budget could have been available with different coach which you can also make the point of...

But just if you have two specific options of
A: Experienced coach at say $X salary which is ~80% of your total coach budget, leaving the remaining 20% for assistants, and then a $4M hard limit on NIL
vs
B: Inexperienced, yet highly regarded in recruiting, and with a pretty great resume as far as assistant coaching is concerned at maybe 50% of your total coach budget, leaving you 50% to get far better assistants WITH experience, and an increase to $8M NIL budget regardless of the coach spend...

I'm personally going to pick Choice B almost every time when it comes to Basketball AND this SPECIFIC coach scenario, because Lucas seems to be a pretty high quality choice among coaches without HC experience.


I think with baseball it is definitely different because A) I doubt we increased the NIL budget so much with JD choice specifically. And B) JD already was proving pretty bad as an assistant here from what I can tell (though I don't follow baseball really). But like its not like people even on here were looking at JD and going this is a great assistant... Whereas with Lucas I think most people would be like this guy is a good assistant and was in line for a HC job at a solid program, just maybe not likely to go right to a top ACC level (which we hope to be). JD had likely zero shot of being a HC at any even Medium level I'd assume, AND we are far better historically at Baseball than Basketball even if you heavily weight the recent Basketball success. So without a VERY signifcant increase in NIL it's clear that JDs probably going to fail. Now it also does seem like we have been actively invest in actual technology for baseball, so maybe its also possible this is about the worst it'll be, because once we get all this new technology maybe that investment will then switch to NIL... idk. But to me JD is a proven mediocre coach and choosing him didn't likely lead to a significant enough increase in NIL, as compared to Lucas who seems like a good yet inexperienced coach who is being given a significant investment increase...
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I'll cut to the chase here.

A. It's not just about money on this choice, it's about a head coach having proven that he can do it somewhere else. If a coach shows he can win in the first two years, the NIL will come next, so it's not just some static comparison. $4M will become $6M and then $8M.

B. Again, the higher NIL and coaching salaries sound great on paper. But now you have to go out and DISPLACE another big-budget school, as there are only so many blue-chippers in the world. If Jai succeeds, everyone will hail "the plan", but if he does not land the guys he once landed, I'm not sure he can coach up lesser talent. And if he doesn't land the guys that the money "allows" us to land, I think the NIL money will dry up.

Not that there is a slam-dunk answer to this, but given the way Miami has succeeded in the past with guys like Hamilton and Larranaga who had a lot of respect and could coach in a wily fashion, that's where my preference is. If the big-money Jai Lucas model works, I'll be happy, I'm not going to be one of those "oh, man, things have changed, I really miss the old days" guys.

We shall see.
 
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Allabouttheu95 said:
I’m as negative as just about anyone as it pertains to the **** stain that is the athletic department at the university of miami. From the top of the org all the way to the bottom of the org it is the definition of an Amateur organization. But with that being said:

I’m really not nearly as down as you guys are on this hire… and the optics of the hire are not nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be. Were the worst program in the acc statistically over last 2 years and we just went out and hired the #1 or #2 assistant in the country where he has had the chance to work under several big time coaches on top of being the son of a name that is borderline basketball royalty.

Out of all of the **** poor hires we’ve seen from this athletic department over the last 2 decades this one doesn’t have me scratching my head in disgust like many others have. Time will tell…
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I don't hate the hire, I hate the process.

Jai was definitely the most qualified assistant coach we could have hired.

I don't care about the optics to the rest of the world, I'm just expressing my concerns for UM. **** every other school.

I'm willing to give Jai his due if he transforms Miami into something we've never been.
 
Allabouttheu95 said:
I’m as negative as just about anyone as it pertains to the **** stain that is the athletic department at the university of miami. From the top of the org all the way to the bottom of the org it is the definition of an Amateur organization. But with that being said:

I’m really not nearly as down as you guys are on this hire… and the optics of the hire are not nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be. Were the worst program in the acc statistically over last 2 years and we just went out and hired the #1 or #2 assistant in the country where he has had the chance to work under several big time coaches on top of being the son of a name that is borderline basketball royalty.

Out of all of the **** poor hires we’ve seen from this athletic department over the last 2 decades this one doesn’t have me scratching my head in disgust like many others have. Time will tell…
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Agreed. I am not that down on the hire at all. I do laugh at our process and the overall **** stain... maybe we will luck out on this one...
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Was there a rush? I just don't get the logic..
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TheOriginalCane said:
Wrong.

You are misinterpreting the linkage.

Yes, certain alums and boosters may say "I'll give X to NIL if you have a guy who knows how to spend the NIL". The decision is still Radakovich's on which direction he wants to pursue.

The Mas brothers found Jim Larranaga and encouraged UM to hire him. But Coach L was not some sort of recruiting savant, he was not a guy who was the master of the NIL dealings (or even the underhanded payments that were happening back in the pre-NIL days). There was no promise of "additional resources" as a quid pro quo for hiring Larranaga.

And we absolutely could have gone down the pathway of NOT pursuing a "5-star-recruiter" who would need us to take the NIL budget from $4M to $8M. As has already been pointed out, there are some top teams who get by on less than $8M for NIL.

The reality is that Radakovich chased the money with both JD and Jai. He didn't have to, at least on the NIL side. But he did.

And, sure, some people can say "yeah, but that's the equivalent of 'running the hiring show' so I'm going to ignore the differences", but the reality is that we could have paid a lot less (and been within our already-existing budget) if we went in another direction.

But when you've already focused your laser on Jai Lucas, the NIL money becomes a chicken-or-the-egg argument.

We could have hired a coach for less money who does not require 5-star NIL money. Radakovich just chose not to.

Big risk. It had better pay off.
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I’m not making any conclusions from the press conference. I’m just saying someone who didn’t know could discern it from watching the press conference.

It really was out of Rad’s hands. When the CEO (or Chairman of the Board) and COO are personally involved, the middle manager is not actually making any of the decisions.

There’s a lot to criticize Rad for (a LOT), but this hire isn’t one of them.

But I agree with you on everything else.
 
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