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TheOriginalCane said:
I would point out something different though.

It is not the NUMBER of games of playcalling which should be the focus. It should be whether there was any sort of a drop-off or differential in the playcalling when Whipple (or someone like Whipple) steps in to do the job.

I'm just not a fan of "resume analysts" citing the job titles for a guy as a disqualifier.

Big picture. Jobs AND accomplishments. Let's look at the total job candidate, not the piece of paper that summarizes him.
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If the “ never called plays “ crew knew how crazy that thinking is lol. There’s Nfl head coaches all around the league over the years who’s never called a play, not one. Some of the best ever, but the people interviewing / hiring them wanted smart football people.

That’s how you hire.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I would point out something different though.

It is not the NUMBER of games of playcalling which should be the focus. It should be whether there was any sort of a drop-off or differential in the playcalling when Whipple (or someone like Whipple) steps in to do the job.

I'm just not a fan of "resume analysts" citing the job titles for a guy as a disqualifier.

Big picture. Jobs AND accomplishments. Let's look at the total job candidate, not the piece of paper that summarizes him.
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And I disagree. One game (or is it two) is an extremely small sample size. You simply can't predict how good a playcaller will be after observing 1 game because so many (random) variables could impact the result of one game. James Coley had a few great games here. So did Dorito. So did Manny.

It'd be like saying:
Whipple did really good in 1 game.
Lashlee has done really good in 100 games.
Briles has done really good in 200 games.
So obviously they're equally good OC candidates.

A much larger sample size allows you to make more accurate and confident predictions. So yea, the NUMBER is extremely important.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Appreciate it, gonna go watch the UMass game vs. USF when I get home to see how he called that college game with atrocious talent at his disposal (besides Isabella).
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To be honest Whipple intrigues me more than KD. He was born and bred to coach offense and qb’s. Then mix in his time with his father and now with Kingsbury, that’s a crazy mixture. Even though the west coast is everywhere in offensive playbooks , same with the air raid. I’d just love to see his marriage of the two. Coaching was always his plan.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
I respect you Leeds, but him calling plays for one college game and one pro game isn’t enough for me ….
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Not trying to be a smart *** here, but it doesn’t need to be enough for you.

It needs to be enough for the guy that’s doing the hiring. Or I should say the guys that are probably doing the hiring because I think Rad is probably involved as well.
 
CanesNation26 said:
And I disagree. One game (or is it two) is an extremely small sample size. You simply can't predict how good a playcaller will be after observing 1 game because so many (random) variables could impact the result of one game. James Coley had a few great games here. So did Dorito. So did Manny.

It'd be like saying:
Whipple did really good in 1 game.
Lashlee has done really good in 100 games.
So obviously they're equally good OC candidates.

A much larger sample size allows you to make more accurate and confident predictions. So yea, the NUMBER is extremely important.
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Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention the "sample size bros".

Stop bullsh!tting. Nobody said "equally good OC candidates". Nor did anyone say "a few great games".

It is about whether IF YOU DECIDE TO ELEVATE A COACH and give him responsibilities beyond his prior job title, is there supporting evidence to do so.

But if "sample size bros" had their way, a guy would never become a coordinator unless his first OC/DC job was at Montana State or some other backwater.
 
Cribby said:
I think when some teams start dropping off it’ll speed up very fast. As I’ve said I’m sure this is like his recruiting board. He has his top names and a pecking order. Imo it can’t help but be a good hire with the names out there. College or Pro.
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Seems like at the very least the Bills losing is step 1 regarding OC
 
Cribby said:
I would have to be a fool to give a timeline. Ive made guesses by what's going on with recruiting certain weekends , so hirings by then would make sense , and here we sit lol. I also thought the staff was complete minus 1-2 coaches weeks ago, albeit an educated guess , still wrong. No source just I was just looking at all the smoke ( which was bs). But to my defense I was the guy posting the last couple weeks that if anyone said they knew the coordinators they were lying. Because I knew they weren’t hired yet. That was reliable info. Which is backed up by multiple people who’d know.

That explains why nobody could get any info on coordinators , i’ve been ahead on all the other hires.

It wasn’t Fort Knox , there just wasn’t anyone hired yet. Credit to Ferman , he has a suspect percentage but he said that.
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Was there anything to the potential coordinator could be a HC from smaller G5 programs? Or was that more so just speculation?
 
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CanesNation26 said:
And I disagree. One game (or is it two) is an extremely small sample size. You simply can't predict how good a playcaller will be after observing 1 game because so many (random) variables could impact the result of one game. James Coley had a few great games here. So did Dorito. So did Manny.

It'd be like saying:
Whipple did really good in 1 game.
Lashlee has done really good in 100 games.
Briles has done really good in 200 games.
So obviously they're equally good OC candidates.

A much larger sample size allows you to make more accurate and confident predictions. So yea, the NUMBER is extremely important.
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If posters here knew how little play calling experienced mattered when hiring. The nfl is a small circle , everyone knows who the smart kids are, the “special ones”. That’s why they shoot up the ranks so fast. Players, scouts , coaches and upper management talk. There’s a reason there’s so many qb gurus in HC spots over the years with no play calling experience. Somebody that’s considered a brilliant mind In nfl circles can call plays and well. Because they’re brilliant. Fans think more about this than actual teams lol.
 
Cribby said:
If posters here knew how little play calling experienced mattered when hiring. The nfl is a small circle , everyone knows who the smart kids are, the “special ones”. That’s why they shoot up the ranks so fast. Players, scouts , coaches and upper management talk. There’s a reason there’s so many qb gurus in HC spots over the years with no play calling experience. Somebody that’s considered a brilliant mind In nfl circles can call plays and well. Because they’re brilliant. Fans think more about this than actual teams lol.
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Again, whaaaat? You don't think that certain CIS porsters are better at assessing resumes and playcalling experience and "sample size" than people who have spent their entire careers in college and/or NFL coaching circles? Blasphemy!

Let's just get @RVACane to set up a poll, and whoever wins the OC and DC polls is immediately hired by Mario. Because, you know, we have such smart and experienced hiring gurus on CIS...
 
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Spencer Whipple would be a homerun...

The Cardinals offense at Miami is A+...

If we’re going to take a NFL guy, it needs to be a young innovative guy, not an old fuddy duddy set in his ways.

Dorsey, Brady, Spencer, Kafka, Bleymaier etc are the kinds of NFL guys you want.
 
Liberty City El said:
Spencer Whipple would be a homerun...

The Cardinals offense at Miami is A+...

If we’re going to take a NFL guy, it needs to be a young innovative guy, not an old fuddy duddy set in his ways.

Dorsey, Brady, Spencer, Kafka, Bleymaier etc are the kinds of NFL guys you want.
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I posted Whipple intrigues me the most. He’d just be gone pretty fast imo. Hes a star.
 
Cribby said:
If the “ never called plays “ crew knew how crazy that thinking is lol. There’s Nfl head coaches all around the league over the years who’s never called a play, not one. Some of the best ever, but the people interviewing / hiring them wanted smart football people.

That’s how you hire.
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The reason you don't understand why people prefer a proven coordinator over an unproven coordinator is because you're simply not accounting for the denominator effect. Of course, once upon a time, a really good head coach had never been a head coach before and a really good coordinator had never been a coordinator before. But then you have the denominator: once upon a time, a really ******/average head coach had never been a head coach before and a really ******/average coordinator had never been a coordinator before.

Say you're the head coach of Texas in 2017 and you have to decide between these two candidates: Nick Saban and Tom Herman (a fast riser, described as brilliant and intelligent, extremely successful, and the hottest realistic coach on the market). Who would you pick and why?

Say you're the head coach of Miami in 2021 and you have to decide between these two candidates: Mario Cristobal and Billy Napier. Who would you pick any why?

My pick is Mario. He's proven himself on the P5 level. He's shown that he can build a program up and win conference championships.

Is Billy viewed by many in the industry as a rising star? Yeah, but so was Herman, so was Frost, so were many other young head coaches and coordinators who eventually failed. But Mario hasn't failed, he's already shown you that he can do it. So why roll the dice?

All of this is to say:
(1) I'd be totally fine promoting a well-thought of position coach to coordinator, BUT
(2) it's indisputable that a coach who has already proven himself is much more likely to succeed than a complete unknown. That's why you'd chose Saban over Herman or Cristobal over Napier. Because it's way less of a risk.
 
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