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[Sosaheri79]

I guess what really matters is Mario's perspective. But looking at his track record seems pretty clear we will be building an oline that will run block as well as pass block. Even looking at a potential OC candidate in Briles who currently works for a former oline player as HC you are seeing that same run first pattern.

that's exactly most oline head coaches do!! even briles slow his offense in arky

 

[The U is back to work]

Does Kendal Briles or Derek Mason have any assistants they always bring with them?

 

[Sosaheri79]

You know what i like better than a balanced playbook???? TOUCHDOWNS. Bring me a guy that knows how to score with a top QB, talented receivers and a really solid stable of RB’s and TE’s!!!!!! It should actually be fun to scheme with this O.

WK kittley was that option! I read tt article it said manny was reaching out to his agent! LOL

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

….Does anyone believe Cristobal would be willing to take that approach …

In short, yes, assuming that our personnel is suited for that approach.

 

[Mikesmith29150]

It's always about the team. Sometimes individuals need to be showcased for the betterment of the team. Look at how TVD made us look. If and when Mario selects an OC who builds his offense around TVD (and then Garcia) and allows our best players to maximize our collective offensive potential, the [seemingly fair] Herbert mentions will go away. Till then, people are worried the issue will be repeated. It happens. I believe (maybe hope?) Mario learned from the experience.

I hope he learned from that

 

[Canemang]

Don’t mind @fincane, once he gets on a roll there’s no stopping him. He’s the same dude that wouldn’t get off the Malik Rosier train no matter how ****** he played

 

[LuCane]

What hasn't been mentioned in these posts about Mario "handcuffing" Justin Herbert is who the balls were being thrown to.

Burrow at LSU threw to Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson - both first rounders

Tua had Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Jaylen Waddle, Henry Ruggs, and John Metchie III for God's sake.

Herbert's receivers will be lucky to even be drafted (Daewood Davis, Johnny Johnson III, Jaylon Redd).

I'm guessing if Herbert had the horses that Burrow and Tua had at receiver, yeah - Mario might have opened up the playbook a bit more...

I appreciate the counterpoint.

One problem with the argument that Herbert was restricted (frankly, I’m happy some are finally admitting that much) because of lack of ‘horses’ is that there were games where Herbert *was* unleashed - out of necessity. More plainly, the return to a run-first approach in most other games shows the restrictions were part of a broader philosophy. Doesn’t that line up with the run-first approach we’ve otherwise seen?

I support Mario AND running the ball. Just find the mass rationalizations odd. What happened was clear. Why argue it as if Mario and his OC have to be perfect? If you watched Herbert play most games, he was restricted in multiple ways - especially throwing downfield. Bringing up Tua or Burrow isn't directly relevant to my point. I'm not basing the claim that Herbert was restricted upon a comparison - more or less throws, yards, whatever - to those two.

Again, it's not that big of a deal. He said TVD is his best player. And, he'll center the offense around his best players. That's what we all want to see.

 

[miami305]

Who were Herbert's wide receivers between 2016-2018, any NFL talent?

 

[RyanCane26]

Does Kendal Briles or Derek Mason have any assistants they always bring with them?

Briles usually brings Randy Clements with him to coach OLine but he went to work at Ole Miss with Lebby after they left FSU and was fired back in April. Maybe as an analyst but OL is in good hands.

Mason doesn't seem to have ties to any of the Auburn defensive assistants

 

[RyanCane26]

Who were Herbert's wide receivers between 2016-2018, any NFL talent?

Dillon Mitchell 7th Rder

 

[CanesAreAble]

I appreciate the counterpoint.

One problem with the argument that Herbert was restricted (frankly, I’m happy some are finally admitting that much) because of lack of ‘horses’ is that there were games where Herbert *was* unleashed - out of necessity. More plainly, the return to a run-first approach in most other games shows the restrictions were part of a broader philosophy. Doesn’t that line up with the run-first approach we’ve otherwise seen?

I support Mario AND running the ball. Just find the mass rationalizations odd. What happened was clear. Why argue it as if Mario and his OC have to be perfect? If you watched Herbert play most games, he was restricted in multiple ways - especially throwing downfield. Bringing up Tua or Burrow isn't directly relevant to my point. I'm not basing the claim that Herbert was restricted upon a comparison - more or less throws, yards, whatever - to those two.

Again, it's not that big of a deal. He said TVD is his best player. And, he'll center the offense around his best players. That's what we all want to see.

I can't find the tweet, but an Oregon beat writer said that Herbert made a quantum leap in between his last game at Oregon and his first game with the Chargers.

Draft analysis from the time seems to bear that out.

There was a lot of concern that he could be a bust.







I think some of that is on the OC (not a fan of Arroyo), but it could also be that Herbert simply improved.

The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

All that said, most of my concerns about Mario will be allayed if he hires somebody like Brady or Briles.

 

[Hardcore Cane]

Like 95% sure that is false. At least what you mean. Peak is in Summer, Valley is in Winter. So sure in summer after it peaks it begins decreasing, and in winter after it hits the low it begins increasing....

I can 100% guarantee that ice cream sales are greater in the winter. It’s a fact and has been forever

 

[brcane1]

I can't find the tweet, but an Oregon beat writer said that Herbert made a quantum leap in between his last game at Oregon and his first game with the Chargers.

Draft analysis from the time seems to bear that out.

There was a lot of concern that he could be a bust.







I think some of that is on the OC (not a fan of Arroyo), but it could also be that Herbert simply improved.

The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

All that said, most of my concerns about Mario will be allayed if he hires somebody like Brady or Briles.

Could have also been a smoke screen. He still went top 10 and was locked in QB selection gamesmanship with the Phins.

 

[My2Sense]

I appreciate the counterpoint.

One problem with the argument that Herbert was restricted (frankly, I’m happy some are finally admitting that much) because of lack of ‘horses’ is that there were games where Herbert *was* unleashed - out of necessity. More plainly, the return to a run-first approach in most other games shows the restrictions were part of a broader philosophy. Doesn’t that line up with the run-first approach we’ve otherwise seen?

I support Mario AND running the ball. Just find the mass rationalizations odd. What happened was clear. Why argue it as if Mario and his OC have to be perfect? If you watched Herbert play most games, he was restricted in multiple ways - especially throwing downfield. Bringing up Tua or Burrow isn't directly relevant to my point. I'm not basing the claim that Herbert was restricted upon a comparison - more or less throws, yards, whatever - to those two.

Again, it's not that big of a deal. He said TVD is his best player. And, he'll center the offense around his best players. That's what we all want to see.

Very fair points. And admittedly, I've watched very little of the 2019 Oregon season so I can't fairly debate whether or not Herbert was 'restricted' or was a byproduct of a lack of surrounding talent at the skill positions.

As Canes fans, we all want the same thing - to see our team get back to being elite and I think mostly agree that the fastest path to that end offensively is to have an aggressive, attacking offense that takes advantage of TVD's qualities and the evolution of the game (pass-oriented).

Those like you and @fincane that question whether it aligns with Mario's philosophy have good reason to: he hasn't demonstrated a willingness to "open it up" before. And as an offensive lineman recruited by JJ who was definitely a "run first" coach, it's understandable that "run first" may be a philsophy ingrained in his DNA. (As an interesting aside, 2019 Oregon passed about 48% of the time while Kiffin's FAU passed 49% and Alabama was under 51%. In other words, they're all about the same in "balanced" approach.)

I'm trying to give Mario the benefit of the doubt that he recognizes the game has changed and that even 'old-school' stalwarts like Saban are fielding aggressive, downfield offenses. And that he'll see the talent at the U and in the SoFla backyard and be willing to adapt to it.

At this stage, I think we're just all hopeful he will and some of this back-and-forth debate is the byproduct of having a lot of time on our hands as we first await the announcement of a staff, and then the long off-season before actual games are played.

Only then, when the first whistle blows in live action will we actually know what this team will look like and what Mario's philosophy will be going forward.

Here's to hoping it's full speed ahead.

Go Canes....

 

[aelmiami]

I can't find the tweet, but an Oregon beat writer said that Herbert made a quantum leap in between his last game at Oregon and his first game with the Chargers.

Draft analysis from the time seems to bear that out.

There was a lot of concern that he could be a bust.







I think some of that is on the OC (not a fan of Arroyo), but it could also be that Herbert simply improved.

The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

All that said, most of my concerns about Mario will be allayed if he hires somebody like Brady or Briles.

Personally I think Herbert will always be a hot and cold type of QB. Like Phillip Rivers oddly enough for the Chargers. I remember when he was in college and Daniel Jeremiah said on his podcast he seems to lose focus at times and doesn’t really see the situation properly all the time. Not sure if that’s indicative of coaching or just his makeup. I would’ve thrown it a lot more if I was Mario & Co. but again I don’t know the other side of this beyond what we saw on Saturdays.

 

[P-Tizzle]

Click on link to see if there are any updates from Cribby about the coaching search....finds pages about Justin Herbert.

 

[LuCane]

Very fair points. And admittedly, I've watched very little of the 2019 Oregon season so I can't fairly debate whether or not Herbert was 'restricted' or was a byproduct of a lack of surrounding talent at the skill positions.

As Canes fans, we all want the same thing - to see our team get back to being elite and I think mostly agree that the fastest path to that end offensively is to have an aggressive, attacking offense that takes advantage of TVD's qualities and the evolution of the game (pass-oriented).

Those like you and @fincane that question whether it aligns with Mario's philosophy have good reason to: he hasn't demonstrated a willingness to "open it up" before. And as an offensive lineman recruited by JJ who was definitely a "run first" coach, it's understandable that "run first" may be a philsophy ingrained in his DNA. (As an interesting aside, 2019 Oregon passed about 48% of the time while Kiffin's FAU passed 49% and Alabama was under 51%. In other words, they're all about the same in "balanced" approach.)

I'm trying to give Mario the benefit of the doubt that he recognizes the game has changed and that even 'old-school' stalwarts like Saban are fielding aggressive, downfield offenses. And that he'll see the talent at the U and in the SoFla backyard and be willing to adapt to it.

At this stage, I think we're just all hopeful he will and some of this back-and-forth debate is the byproduct of having a lot of time on our hands as we first await the announcement of a staff, and then the long off-season before actual games are played.

Only then, when the first whistle blows in live action will we actually know what this team will look like and what Mario's philosophy will be going forward.

Here's to hoping it's full speed ahead.

Go Canes....

We'll find out soon enough. His OC hire will say a lot. I'm excited. Haven't said that in a long cot**** time.

 

[Angry Ibis]

What hasn't been mentioned in these posts about Mario "handcuffing" Justin Herbert is who the balls were being thrown to.

Burrow at LSU threw to Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson - both first rounders

Tua had Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Jaylen Waddle, Henry Ruggs, and John Metchie III for God's sake.

Herbert's receivers will be lucky to even be drafted (Daewood Davis, Johnny Johnson III, Jaylon Redd).

I'm guessing if Herbert had the horses that Burrow and Tua had at receiver, yeah - Mario might have opened up the playbook a bit more...

To have some additional fun…. Who recruited those **** receivers?

 

[Mackmiller974]

LSU just named Chiefs LB Coach their new DC, so it looks like you can announce the hiring of coaches from the NFL before the end of the season.

 

[Calinative]

I can 100% guarantee that ice cream sales are greater in the winter. It’s a fact and has been forever

We're getting in the weeds here but you're just gunna have to prove it cause I simply don't believe it. This is evidence I see that peak is June and July aka Summer:

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Graph and download economic data for Industrial Production: Manufacturing: Nondurable Goods: Ice Cream and Frozen Dessert (NAICS = 31152) (IPN31152N) from Jan 1972 to Aug 2024 about ice cream, nondurable goods, IP, production, goods, industry, indexes, and USA.

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Ice Cream Sales & Trends

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