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TheOriginalCane said:
I'm not sure why this bogus "people only like Dorsey because he went to UM" argument keeps getting recycled.

Talented and rising assistant coaches are identified all the time. In college and in the NFL. At some point, every coach has to take a particular job "for the first time". The only people insisting that "prior experience" is a non-negotiable are our fans, while the person who does the actual hiring is Mario.

It's just bizarre. In one breath, Dorsey-haters bring up every disqualifying argument possible as to why Dorsey should not be a first-time OC at Miami...and then in the next breath, they swear that Dorsey is about to get an NFL OC job, just as soon as the NFL dominoes fall, and as a result, we should not hire him.

So who is crazier? The multiple NFL teams that seem poised to make Ken Dorsey a first-time OC, and AT THE NFL LEVEL? Or our Dorsey-hating fans, who cannot tolerate the possibility that Mario would consider hiring a first-time OC, and AT THE COLLEGIATE LEVEL?

Again, unlike some, I have not advocated for Dorsey to be hired. There are a couple of other guys that I think would work as well. And I think Dorsey might be hired if a couple of other guys go elsewhere. But Dorsey is NOT "unqualified", and he is NOT "attractive", or getting an offer, solely because of his diploma. He might ACCEPT a college job at UM solely because of his diploma, but that is different.
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Don't forget that the Venn diagram between people out on Dorsey because he's never called plays and those who are in on Schumann is a hypocritical circle.
 
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Cane6 said:
It’s not worth the argument but I’m gonna do it anyway



This board is commingling components of Ken Dorsey

Is he a rising star in the coaching ranks, that includes nfl and ncaa? Everything points to yes

Is he the best option for Miami to hire today as it’s OC? I’d argue no for reasons already stated throughout the almost 400 pages in the thread

Both points can be true
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All of your points, I already acknowledged. So there is no argument.

My criticism focuses on the specific and ridiculous claims that the "only reason" Dorsey would be considered for a job is his UM alum status, and the "only reason" that some of the fanbase supports Dorsey is because of his UM alum status.

I've never denied that people have preferences. That's fine. Some people prefer an OC to have more experience, I've not said anything bad about that.

But this has gone beyond "Hey, I rank Dorsey lower because of experience". This has veered into insulting Dorsey and fans who admire Dorsey, and claiming that the only, or primary, or central reason he would be considered for a job is that he went to UM. And that is wrong, and should stop.

If you want to put Dorsey at #3 on your list of OC candidates or #300, that is your prerogative. But there is no need for anyone (not saying you, just speaking in general) for anyone to make false claims about why Dorsey might be a candidate.
 
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Feld better pace himself.

As a fellow white, I remember dating a Cuban girl down here and trying a "cortadito" for the first time around her family.

I pounded a few too quickly to look cool and it felt like my pupils started vibrating. I think my body temperature shot up to about 106 and I started speaking Cantonese then blacked out.
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:
supposedly Lane is going all in on Caleb Williams - he has the father's attention. i assume this means Ol Miss has an acceptable development and NIL deal on the table
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Can I play the CIS "Leaping to Conclusions" game?

DOES THIS MEAN THAT LANE WHIFFED ON MANNING?
 
tvdforheisman?? said:
Whose this guy?
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Five Reasons Sports is a developing media company (??) in SoFla. They do a great job with pro teams and don't typically get stuff wrong, but they also don't typically break news on UM info.

Should we 100% trust it? No, but it's way more credible than most of what you see on Twitter.
 
WhatTheHell said:
Feld better pace himself.

As a fellow white, I remember dating a Cuban girl down here and trying a "cortadito" for the first time around her family.

I pounded a few too quickly to look cool and it felt like my pupils started vibrating. I think my body temperature shot up to about 106 and I started speaking Cantonese then blacked out.
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Did the Cuban girl you dated have a donkey on her?
 
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Cane6 said:
God **** it

Advocating for an OC that has a proven track record as a play caller and college recruiter does not diminish anything that Dorsey has done as a NFL QB coach
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And that’s perfectly fine, I’m of the same argument - especially at this point of the program’s “resurrection” or whatever you want to call it.

I just felt like you’re in the camp that thinks if we hire Dorsey, Mario is already on thin ice. There’s enough of them on this board.
 
Kamelion4291 said:
Don't forget that the Venn diagram between people out on Dorsey because he's never called plays and those who are in on Schumann is a hypocritical circle.
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It is hypocritical but I wonder part of the questions with Dorsey is we don’t know how much influence he has with play calling compared to Brady at LSU (he called redzone and sets with 3 or more Wrs.

Schumann gets a pass because Lanning, Kirby and the players have praised him. But he is basically the situation as Dorsey without the college player resume.

But here’s question: does being an elite nfl OC guarantee or make it more likely you’ll be an elite college OC?

I don’t know the answer but it would hinge on how complex the OC system is and how good is he getting a 19 year old ready to play versus a 28 year old.
 
Gonna see Feld running out of the Hecht smashing car windows with his face.

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jnf2257 said:
Five Reasons Sports is a developing media company (??) in SoFla. They do a great job with pro teams and don't typically get stuff wrong, but they also don't typically break news on UM info.

Should we 100% trust it? No, but it's way more credible than most of what you see on Twitter.
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Smith is also from Miami so wouldn't doubt that there's some inside info there
 
Hufftwoseven said:
Guarantee most all of the 5 star QB’s of this cycle do not know who Ken Dorsey is, I know it hurts to hear but it’s the **** truth. All he accomplished was before they were even born
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as long as they can read and if they stay on top of NFL happenings I am sure they can get the info they need
 
Canesq said:
It is hypocritical but I wonder part of the questions with Dorsey is we don’t know how much influence he has with play calling compared to Brady at LSU (he called redzone and sets with 3 or more Wrs.

Schumann gets a pass because Lanning, Kirby and the players have praised him. But he is basically the situation as Dorsey without the college player resume.

But here’s question: does being an elite nfl OC guarantee or make it more likely you’ll be an elite college OC?

I don’t know the answer but it would hinge on how complex the OC system is and how good is he getting a 19 year old ready to play versus a 28 year old.
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But if that's the question holding people back, isn't it a silly one?
 
ChrisLamar757 said:
Keep an eye on Todd Monken...
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5NC4 said:
I think a lot of folks are forgetting why we moved away from the Pro Style offense to begin with. A Pro Style offense is much more difficult to learn and execute. The QB has to be very cerebral. The play book is much harder to learn. The route adjustments for the other offensive players can be difficult to read. How many times over the years did we hear so and so doesn't know the play book or so and so ran the wrong route. We want our players naturally reacting vs thinking too much. Lashlee's offense was simplistic and easy to learn, therefore easy to execute.

A lot of folks here making assumptions that Miami can capture what LSU did with Burrow and all those NFL draft picks he had on offense. Someone like Briles brings a more simplistic offense for immediate success. The Pro Style may take longer, maybe years to properly execute and have the right personnel for. Another thing LSU had was a significantly better OL. Something else that takes time for development. There is some reasoning behind us needing to switch from the Pro Style for many years, yet we are in a rush to switch right back to it.
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Not saying we couldn’t win with briles but the offenses you’re describing is what separates the top schools. College offenses are being ran in the nfl now. Most people keep saying pro style like we’re gonna be in i-formation or something lol. We have money to bring in top coaches and a big support staff like the top schools so what makes their kids learning nfl systems and playin at a high level different than us now?

Yea it’ll take time but are we tryna win the coastal or compete for it all in the future? If we’re making hires based on who can learn the playbook then we failed already, these kids aren’t dumb. They can learn whatever if it’s being taught right…Nobody is gonna do what lsu did but those route concepts aren’t rocket science they just coached it right and that showed in the results. We are rebuilding so anybody looking for immediate success is delusional
 
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