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WaterburyCane said:
They did change signs! Didn’t help. It was as big as an advantage short of paying someone to throw a game or that level. It was crossing the line of gamesmanship sign stealing. MLB didn’t punish them nearly as hard as they should have gotten. I’ll die on this hill Z lol.
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I can agree with you in the punishment. They should’ve taken a way bigger stance than they did.
 
Got half the people talking about **** baseball and the other half talking about Bmac leaving. When I went to work the thread was saying we’ll have 90% of the staff completed by Friday…….Mario contract gone be expired before we complete a **** staff at this rate

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OrangeBowlMagic said:
No one in FBS was hiring Larry Coker before Miami did.
No one in FBS was hiring Randy Shannon before Miami did.
No one in FBS was hiring Pat Nix before Miami did.

**** guys, if anyone in the country should know about the fire you play with when you take the up and comer and not the established dude, it should be us. We’ve done it for 20 years and it’s been one spectacular failure after another. Sure, there are plenty of examples of unknown guys being successful. But there are WAY MORE of an unqualified guy getting a job, immediately stepping on his **** and the whole world saying, “Yeah, that probably wasn’t a good idea”.

My whole point is we don’t need to go this route. We should have everything in place to hire someone proven, established, and successful. Why leave this to chance? We know Mario isn’t the world’s best football coach. He needs help on that side of things. You think the best option for us to provide that help comes from 32 year old Spencer Whipple? Come on. Think bigger.
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Football intellect, personality, work ethic, pedigree (or whatever other traits make an elite coach)are all identifiable skills that can be judged very early in a career without a previous track record. This is precisely what led to Brady, McVay, Reilly, Mike MacDonald, Kellen, Kliff, etc being identified as stars before they were 30. Just like recruiting, we just have to trust the evaluation process that Mario and Rad have in place if we were to go this route. I'm willing to trust their evaluation process on their first coordinator hires. I understand that many are not willing to trust their evals.

Coker, Shannon, Nix weren't up and comers on a rocketship career trajectory. They were older coaches 'any port in a storm' types, chosen by a broke *** athletic dept run by incompetents.

No one is saying dust off Art Kehoe and let him be a first time play caller, these kids are generating buzz in NFL circles for a reason. They have pedigree and big brains. Have you seen the 49ers OC Mike McDaniel give interviews? Dudes a 5ft tall, Yale grad, nerd who is coaching circles around some of the most experienced, hard ***, grey beard DCs in the NFL? 49ers playing in the NFC championship with a first time play caller, do you think their fans wish they had Cam Cameron because he has more of a track record?

Mario is paid $8M to make these hire. Arguably no one has more at stake than him - if he blows it then likely he's not the right man for the job. If he nails it he will be a golden god for the rest of his days. Only time will tell but I'm willing to believe in him for now, but I'm an optimist.
 
CAT5Coming said:
Lincoln Reilly started calling plays at FBS level when he was 27.

Kellen Moore was 30 when he started calling plays for the bloody Dallas Cowboys.

Sean McVay was 29 calling plays for WTF and a head coach by 32. Before calling plays he was a... TEs coach.

People on here don't want to hear it, but the best hire is likely someone none of us have ever heard of before.
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They would rather chase the talent someone else took a chance on nurtured and developed then to get the talent early on ourselves. Waisting your breath.
 
CAT5Coming said:
No one in FBS was hiring Joe Brady before LSU did.
No one was hiring Zak Kittley before WKU did.
No one was hiring Lincoln Riley before ECU did.
No one was hiring Mike MacDonald until Michigan did.

I understand wanting a name brand, but if the kid has got the juice let's go with a big brained innovator over a re-tread. Mario's interview process, learned from Belichik, is certainly thorough and if he evaluates Whipple or whoever as the best option I'm willing to take a leap of faith.
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Big facts but they can't hear it.
 
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CAT5Coming said:
No one in FBS was hiring Joe Brady before LSU did.
No one was hiring Zak Kittley before WKU did.
No one was hiring Lincoln Riley before ECU did.
No one was hiring Mike MacDonald until Michigan did.

I understand wanting a name brand, but if the kid has got the juice let's go with a big brained innovator over a re-tread. Mario's interview process, learned from Belichik, is certainly thorough and if he evaluates Whipple or whoever as the best option I'm willing to take a leap of faith.
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If he uses the exact same interview process, I can see why it takes so long lol

Belichick has a psychological test ready for everyone in that job interview. He wants to know who you are before you even are given a formal offer.
 
CAT5Coming said:
Football intellect, personality, work ethic, pedigree (or whatever other traits make an elite coach)are all identifiable skills that can be judged very early in a career without a previous track record. This is precisely what led to Brady, McVay, Reilly, Mike MacDonald, Kellen, Kliff, etc being identified as stars before they were 30. Just like recruiting, we just have to trust the evaluation process that Mario and Rad have in place if we were to go this route. I'm willing to trust their evaluation process on their first coordinator hires. I understand that many are not willing to trust their evals.

Coker, Shannon, Nix weren't up and comers on a rocketship career trajectory. They were older coaches 'any port in a storm' types, chosen by a broke *** athletic dept run by incompetents.

No one is saying dust off Art Kehoe and let him be a first time play caller, these kids are generating buzz in NFL circles for a reason. They have pedigree and big brains. Have you seen the 49ers OC Mike McDaniel give interviews? Dudes a 5ft tall, Yale grad, nerd who is coaching circles around some of the most experienced, hard ***, grey beard DCs in the NFL? 49ers playing in the NFC championship with a first time play caller, do you think their fans wish they had Cam Cameron because he has more of a track record?

Mario is paid $8M to make these hire. Arguably no one has more at stake than him - if he blows it then likely he's not the right man for the job. If he nails it he will be a golden god for the rest of his days. Only time will tell but I'm willing to believe in him for now, but I'm an optimist.
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If you are good with x's and o's and you demonstrate that early, you will see it both in your results and your job rise.

Considering how every scheme is a group effort these days, with all sorts of assistants adding wrinkles and extra stuff, you can see early on who has it. And even if its just these small ideas to expose a matchup, thats enough.
 
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CAT5Coming said:
Lincoln Reilly started calling plays at FBS level when he was 27.

Kellen Moore was 30 when he started calling plays for the bloody Dallas Cowboys.

Sean McVay was 29 calling plays for WTF and a head coach by 32. Before calling plays he was a... TEs coach.

People on here don't want to hear it, but the best hire is likely someone none of us have ever heard of before.
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Agree. But LCE said it best earlier. Since we disclosed the amount that we can pay someone at the position, anything less than a proven commodity is going to be frowned upon. The thought is that we can pay for the best, so why not get the best. Getting a guy like Whipple is a move that previous coaches would do to save on money that we didn’t have and we have seen that pre-Enos (first hire that got a decent contract at this university in the modern era). Who is the next up and comer that can right this ship?

Given the change in our financial commitment, the assumption is that if we can pay, why not? I believe that the reality is that we are so late in this process right now that if the person isn’t a proven commodity that has managed to keep things really quiet, then it is a lesser known, which equates more to a value hire. Which ultimately begs the question that if we could pay for “more”, why hire that guy?

I for one believe that they give him a reasonable contract and let him prove himself. If he falls on his face (possible, but unlikely), can him and start the search for the proven commodity earlier, when there is a market to choose from. But the Joe Brady talk immediately put this search on another level. Even when Candle was leaked, it had some in this board melting down.

I for one just want to see the coaching staff come to completion and focus on what to expect in 2022.
 
Zbrod95 said:
But the same thing applies. You’re gonna know that they’re stealing signs because you’re going to hear/see them communicating in some way. Go and change your signs. I get why players were up in arms because you’re ******* with their money but the coverage on it was horrendous.
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What’s the funniest thing about the sign stealing stuff was some Yankee fans on here crying like they’d been harmed by this , and I was like be careful friends. Because they were another team that was part of the rumors who did this at a very high level. Which all teams do. Beltran brought the Yankees way of doing things fo Houston. When he saw their way of stealing signs he laughed and mocked them for being so far ahead of the times.

Everyone in sports is cheating or trying to cheat , it’s not just the Pats , Astros , Yankees , Red Sox , Alabama or UGA. Anytime there’s high stakes and big money involved people are cheating. Some are juat better at it than others.
 
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CAT5Coming said:
No one in FBS was hiring Joe Brady before LSU did.
No one was hiring Zak Kittley before WKU did.
No one was hiring Lincoln Riley before ECU did.
No one was hiring Mike MacDonald until Michigan did.

I understand wanting a name brand, but if the kid has got the juice let's go with a big brained innovator over a re-tread. Mario's interview process, learned from Belichik, is certainly thorough and if he evaluates Whipple or whoever as the best option I'm willing to take a leap of faith.
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Fair enough. Let a G5 school hire him and see how he does.
 
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