Some interesting things I've noticed about the rooster

[mydas77]

I am and always have been a 4-3 or Cover 2 (tampa 2) guy. Outside of the Steelers I don't know of any other teams who have run the 3-4 for years and been good at it consistently. Football games are won along the line. Outside of stunts, slants and opening holes for a blitzer, DL simply have to be able to aggressively penetrate and wreck havoc along the line. Gap control, read and react is passive styles defenses that leaves you vulnerable to whatever a team wants to run.

I am with you. The problem is new offenses that make you account for the QB, spread concepts and flex TEs are forcing defensive changes. You have to have a Jack, or rush or joker in today's football to help with the extra perimeter skill player.

 

[AUcane]

This reminds me of a article on grantland I read a little while back about the Seattle Seahawks defense and running a 43 under. Seattle has such a funky group of front 7 players like playing 300+ lbs red Bryant at one DE spot and pass rusher Chris Clemons at the other spot (similar to chick and McCord). It goes on to talk about the differences between a one gap and 2 gap defense and how 1 gapping is a more aggressive defense, but you need to to bring a safety down to account for the last gap. Pete Carroll fixed that by having a couple players 2 gap and the rest one gap.

It also says this defense was far to much for a college team to handle and he could never implement it at USC. I'll post the link if you guys wanna read it.


http://grantland.com/features/whos-laughing-now/

Carroll, like Dungy, prefers not to two-gap. The problem isn’t the theory — a potential two-for-one where a single defender can clog up two running lanes is a great deal for the defense — but rather that two-gapping too often results in hesitant defensive linemen who try to read and react and thus fail to disrupt the offense.

“When you put a defensive lineman in a gap and tell him he has to control the gap, he can play very aggressively,” Carroll said at a coaching clinic.

“We want to be an attacking, aggressive football team,” he said at another clinic. “We don’t want to sit and read the play like you often have to with two-gap principles of play.”

I think I'm gonna puke.

Did you read the rest? Carroll acknowledged that his current scheme employs strategic two-gapping from one guy depending on the call. Two gapping is not our core issue, talent is. We have all latched on to this idea that 2gapping is what has destroyed our defense when the truth is our players have been bad for years now. Dline flat out sucked for **** near a decade.

Yeah, I read the article. We can agree to disagree on whether or not the 2 gap scheme is a good scheme. But, when you are talking about a 2 gap scheme AND this talent, it is a horrible fit. It's the whole square peg/round hole notion, yet the coaches are insistent on employing a scheme that clearly has not matched the talent on the roster since day 1.

 

[UMFarArcher]

This reminds me of a article on grantland I read a little while back about the Seattle Seahawks defense and running a 43 under. Seattle has such a funky group of front 7 players like playing 300+ lbs red Bryant at one DE spot and pass rusher Chris Clemons at the other spot (similar to chick and McCord). It goes on to talk about the differences between a one gap and 2 gap defense and how 1 gapping is a more aggressive defense, but you need to to bring a safety down to account for the last gap. Pete Carroll fixed that by having a couple players 2 gap and the rest one gap.

It also says this defense was far to much for a college team to handle and he could never implement it at USC. I'll post the link if you guys wanna read it.


http://grantland.com/features/whos-laughing-now/

Carroll, like Dungy, prefers not to two-gap. The problem isn’t the theory — a potential two-for-one where a single defender can clog up two running lanes is a great deal for the defense — but rather that two-gapping too often results in hesitant defensive linemen who try to read and react and thus fail to disrupt the offense.

“When you put a defensive lineman in a gap and tell him he has to control the gap, he can play very aggressively,” Carroll said at a coaching clinic.

“We want to be an attacking, aggressive football team,” he said at another clinic. “We don’t want to sit and read the play like you often have to with two-gap principles of play.”

I think I'm gonna puke.

Did you read the rest? Carroll acknowledged that his current scheme employs strategic two-gapping from one guy depending on the call. Two gapping is not our core issue, talent is. We have all latched on to this idea that 2gapping is what has destroyed our defense when the truth is our players have been bad for years now. Dline flat out sucked for **** near a decade.

Yeah, I read the article. We can agree to disagree on whether or not the 2 gap scheme is a good scheme. But, when you are talking about a 2 gap scheme AND this talent, it is a horrible fit. It's the whole square peg/round hole notion, yet the coaches are insistent on employing a scheme that clearly has not matched the talent on the roster since day 1.

And that my friend, is called stubborn stupidity.

 

[sebastian91]

I am and always have been a 4-3 or Cover 2 (tampa 2) guy. Outside of the Steelers I don't know of any other teams who have run the 3-4 for years and been good at it consistently. Football games are won along the line. Outside of stunts, slants and opening holes for a blitzer, DL simply have to be able to aggressively penetrate and wreck havoc along the line. Gap control, read and react is passive styles defenses that leaves you vulnerable to whatever a team wants to run.

The West Coast offense and current trend of read option were specifically designed to beat the Tampa 2 style defense. The bottom line is that any scheme can be effective, but the basics of football still have to be taught and executed properly. Tackling, getting off blocks, being more physical than your opponent, knowing your assignment and executing it. Do those things properly, and any scheme is likely to work. IMO, the main thing this staff has failed to do is get the players to be fundamentally sound. I don't care if they run a 3-4 2-gap or a 4-3 1-gap, but make the tackle when it's there to be made, be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there, and whip the guy in front of you. None of those things have happened consistently in the last 3 seasons. That's how this defense will improve, regardless of the scheme.

 

[theibisrules]

[video=youtube;uFhUzAwDEz4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFhUzAwDEz4[/video]

 

[plantcity3]

I am and always have been a 4-3 or Cover 2 (tampa 2) guy. Outside of the Steelers I don't know of any other teams who have run the 3-4 for years and been good at it consistently. Football games are won along the line. Outside of stunts, slants and opening holes for a blitzer, DL simply have to be able to aggressively penetrate and wreck havoc along the line. Gap control, read and react is passive styles defenses that leaves you vulnerable to whatever a team wants to run.

The bottom line is that any scheme can be effective, but the basics of football still have to be taught and executed properly. Tackling, getting off blocks, being more physical than your opponent, knowing your assignment and executing it. Do those things properly, and any scheme is likely to work. IMO, the main thing this staff has failed to do is get the players to be fundamentally sound. I don't care if they run a 3-4 2-gap or a 4-3 1-gap, but make the tackle when it's there to be made, be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there, and whip the guy in front of you. None of those things have happened consistently in the last 3 seasons. That's how this defense will improve, regardless of the scheme.

That's basic youth league knowledge.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I am and always have been a 4-3 or Cover 2 (tampa 2) guy. Outside of the Steelers I don't know of any other teams who have run the 3-4 for years and been good at it consistently. Football games are won along the line. Outside of stunts, slants and opening holes for a blitzer, DL simply have to be able to aggressively penetrate and wreck havoc along the line. Gap control, read and react is passive styles defenses that leaves you vulnerable to whatever a team wants to run.

The bottom line is that any scheme can be effective, but the basics of football still have to be taught and executed properly. Tackling, getting off blocks, being more physical than your opponent, knowing your assignment and executing it. Do those things properly, and any scheme is likely to work. IMO, the main thing this staff has failed to do is get the players to be fundamentally sound. I don't care if they run a 3-4 2-gap or a 4-3 1-gap, but make the tackle when it's there to be made, be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there, and whip the guy in front of you. None of those things have happened consistently in the last 3 seasons. That's how this defense will improve, regardless of the scheme.

That's basic youth league knowledge.

And I was so certain that 305 players were past that.

Let's see. If it's not the horse, and not the saddle - uh oh. It's the jockey. Golden.

 

[MIA42178]

Somewhat relevant question. Will Houston play clowney as a 3-4 DE or a 3-4 outside LB?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I am and always have been a 4-3 or Cover 2 (tampa 2) guy. Outside of the Steelers I don't know of any other teams who have run the 3-4 for years and been good at it consistently. Football games are won along the line. Outside of stunts, slants and opening holes for a blitzer, DL simply have to be able to aggressively penetrate and wreck havoc along the line. Gap control, read and react is passive styles defenses that leaves you vulnerable to whatever a team wants to run.

The West Coast offense and current trend of read option were specifically designed to beat the Tampa 2 style defense. The bottom line is that any scheme can be effective, but the basics of football still have to be taught and executed properly. Tackling, getting off blocks, being more physical than your opponent, knowing your assignment and executing it. Do those things properly, and any scheme is likely to work. IMO, the main thing this staff has failed to do is get the players to be fundamentally sound. I don't care if they run a 3-4 2-gap or a 4-3 1-gap, but make the tackle when it's there to be made, be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there, and whip the guy in front of you. None of those things have happened consistently in the last 3 seasons. That's how this defense will improve, regardless of the scheme.

Agree with most of what you said but no coaching staff and I mean NO COACHING STAFF could have made guys like Highsmith and Rodgers play fundementally better than what their capabilities allowed. I mean they were in positions to make plays and tackles but for whatever reason couldnt do it at a high level of success.

 

[hoover437]

I am and always have been a 4-3 or Cover 2 (tampa 2) guy. Outside of the Steelers I don't know of any other teams who have run the 3-4 for years and been good at it consistently. Football games are won along the line. Outside of stunts, slants and opening holes for a blitzer, DL simply have to be able to aggressively penetrate and wreck havoc along the line. Gap control, read and react is passive styles defenses that leaves you vulnerable to whatever a team wants to run.

The West Coast offense and current trend of read option were specifically designed to beat the Tampa 2 style defense. The bottom line is that any scheme can be effective, but the basics of football still have to be taught and executed properly. Tackling, getting off blocks, being more physical than your opponent, knowing your assignment and executing it. Do those things properly, and any scheme is likely to work. IMO, the main thing this staff has failed to do is get the players to be fundamentally sound. I don't care if they run a 3-4 2-gap or a 4-3 1-gap, but make the tackle when it's there to be made, be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there, and whip the guy in front of you. None of those things have happened consistently in the last 3 seasons. That's how this defense will improve, regardless of the scheme.

This is the frustration with most of us "pro" Golden folks. I'm not pro-Golden I'm pro cane!! I gave shannon his time, but I was done with him and his staff after the virginia game, he would have gotten the Lane Kiffin in my book, but back to the comment above. That's where better players come in, we think things will change because they will do those things, be in the right place, make the play when they can, and so on. We are all frustrated that we are not winning like we used to, but Zo Highsmith probably kicked AJ's mom every game he played as a cane, kid just could not make a play. Same for a host of those that left here over the past few years. Look at the guys who made game changing plays, they ALL return with the exception of Hurns. Who in my opinion, if was on this team in a year or two, would not have near the type of year he had last year. We have talent and more is coming!!!!

 

[hoover437]

I am and always have been a 4-3 or Cover 2 (tampa 2) guy. Outside of the Steelers I don't know of any other teams who have run the 3-4 for years and been good at it consistently. Football games are won along the line. Outside of stunts, slants and opening holes for a blitzer, DL simply have to be able to aggressively penetrate and wreck havoc along the line. Gap control, read and react is passive styles defenses that leaves you vulnerable to whatever a team wants to run.

The bottom line is that any scheme can be effective, but the basics of football still have to be taught and executed properly. Tackling, getting off blocks, being more physical than your opponent, knowing your assignment and executing it. Do those things properly, and any scheme is likely to work. IMO, the main thing this staff has failed to do is get the players to be fundamentally sound. I don't care if they run a 3-4 2-gap or a 4-3 1-gap, but make the tackle when it's there to be made, be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there, and whip the guy in front of you. None of those things have happened consistently in the last 3 seasons. That's how this defense will improve, regardless of the scheme.

That's basic youth league knowledge.

And I was so certain that 305 players were past that.

Let's see. If it's not the horse, and not the saddle - uh oh. It's the jockey. Golden.

Most of the guys that left us the past few years were not 305 players. the 305 players that were/are making plays were the young guys who are going to lead this team back!!!

 

[sebastian91]

I am and always have been a 4-3 or Cover 2 (tampa 2) guy. Outside of the Steelers I don't know of any other teams who have run the 3-4 for years and been good at it consistently. Football games are won along the line. Outside of stunts, slants and opening holes for a blitzer, DL simply have to be able to aggressively penetrate and wreck havoc along the line. Gap control, read and react is passive styles defenses that leaves you vulnerable to whatever a team wants to run.

The bottom line is that any scheme can be effective, but the basics of football still have to be taught and executed properly. Tackling, getting off blocks, being more physical than your opponent, knowing your assignment and executing it. Do those things properly, and any scheme is likely to work. IMO, the main thing this staff has failed to do is get the players to be fundamentally sound. I don't care if they run a 3-4 2-gap or a 4-3 1-gap, but make the tackle when it's there to be made, be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there, and whip the guy in front of you. None of those things have happened consistently in the last 3 seasons. That's how this defense will improve, regardless of the scheme.

That's basic youth league knowledge.

Then some of our players and coaches lack basic youth league knowledge...

 

[GodsMan]

It is clear that Golden staunchly believes in his d, which is good. He also has proven that he can field a good defense once all of the pieces are in place. I take some comfort in knowing that it took Carroll a couple of years in Seattle, with professional athletes, to build that defensive monster. He may still be on track, considering he is working with kids. My fear is that he is working with kids that may never grasp the full scheme. I hope these guys are refining the scheme to match the talent and intellectual capacity of the kids. It seems like he is doing a good job of helping the young talent maximize their skill, almost to a fault by relying on the older, less talented kids to fill the advanced roles.

He is probably a year or two away if we are honest with ourselves. I think we will begin to turn the corner with this year's version if the defense.

I really agree with this... I think with the handcuffs off they begin to get more of the players they need to realize the potential of the scheme. Though it may be difficult to grasp, there have been improvements because of the consistency and sticking with it. Increase in sacks,interceptions, and forced fumbles, while relying on the likes of Curtis Porter. Canes will be fine. Golden has done exceptional when in regards to how long the possible sanctions were allowed. It sucks, but I think he really is the guy. If I am wrong, I am cool with the aspect that I believe this staff has done more than most would of in the same situation.

Things that anger me are the following:

**Not using a middle of the field passing game, became excruciating to watch

** having your corners who are talented and athletic, never press... painful

Small adjustments lets get it!