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So what do we think?

TexasCane90 said:
The coaching staffs equal responsibility is the ability to go out and get talented kids in that Miami uniform and continue to develop them…

We aren’t the New York Yankees and can just cover up poor drafts with big ticket FA signings.

JD recruited these pitchers… and probably signed off on quite a few position players too during their evals… no hiding from the buck that outside of Gage and Cuvet it lacked elite
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There is a mass exodus happening!
 
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Angry Ibis said:
This seems like one of those semantic arguments... JD was not "the choice" vs. "a choice"

People really want to know: Why is MIAMI BASEBALL getting said "No" to by Duke and Wake Forest head coaches? and Why is a failed coach from a failed regime even on any list?

There is a problem in there... and it likely 100% Miami-centric.
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The school did/or did not throw a bunch of money at a guy, Duke countered and/or he turned us down, additionally "he interviewed poorly".

Other than Pollard, we interviewed Paul Mainieri, Tom Walter, and tried to get Alex Cora to leave the Red Sox. The result was hiring JD, who was not first choice, apparently, though I get the impression that isn't entirely true.

Also, we have certain, way-to-frequent posters, now suggesting, much like with football, that they will buy us better teams with NIL.

Seems like a load of basura to me. Good luck, I guess.
 
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bobbo31 said:
Look at Alejandro Rosario, he pitched 200 innings at Miami and had a 6.47 ERA. He has pitched 35 innings in A ball and in the Cape Cod League with a 1.76 ERA in that span. I know it's a smallish sample size but it looks like he is a much different pitcher without JD as his pitching coach.
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Yes, a sample size of one is on the small side.
 
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HurricanePhilly said:
I'd love to get some hard nosed, high IQ dirtbags like others mentioned. But get us some more guys that look the part too. Enough of the 5'9 200lbs kids. I was that guy...I root for them...you need some of them. But you should have a roster full of short stocky kids or 6'1 skinny kids.

Its very cliche but find kids who play 2-3 sports...then you know that 9.5 on PG isnt their max. But they tend to be very athletic and they dont hit their ceiling by April of their first year.
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Agreed, when you watch these other ACC (and Florida) teams rolled into Mark Light, they are bringing monsters in with them. Good grief these teams look like they have major league built to them, we looked like some High School, JV squad.
 
hoops156 said:
why was he even a choice?
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Because other guys said "no". And I get why you might think that that shouldn't preclude us from approaching Choice #3. Fair. But this is no longer 1995, where you can burn through ten other guys before you get to Butch. Everyone uses the same three agents, everyone talks, stuff leaks.

I don't know how much of the JD decision related to the timing of the retirement/search/hiring, and a desire to keep at least SOME of the team intact and/or reel in guys who had already committed. I was not happy with the JD hire, but it is reasonable to think that at least SOME of the issues with Gino might have been related to chemistry, personality, etc., and which a change at the top might unlock the talent that we already had (or were about to enroll).

If Dan felt that Choices # 3 through 10 were going to give us similar answers to what Choices # 1 through 2 gave us, then it makes some sense. It's not a satisfactory answer, but it might be one that is a bit more comprehensible.

I'm the first to tell you that I was proud and grateful for the long tenures of Coach Fraser and Coach Morris. I'd love to see us hire our third multi-decade program-builder. Both of those guys had some head-coaching experience (Ron's experience was overseas) and were not simply promotions from within.

Kelley, DiMare, and Arteaga WERE internal promotions.

I'll leave the comparisons right there...
 
Angry Ibis said:
Call out the main account and spill the news...
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TheOriginalCane said:
Because other guys said "no". And I get why you might think that that shouldn't preclude us from approaching Choice #3. Fair. But this is no longer 1995, where you can burn through ten other guys before you get to Butch. Everyone uses the same three agents, everyone talks, stuff leaks.

I don't know how much of the JD decision related to the timing of the retirement/search/hiring, and a desire to keep at least SOME of the team intact and/or reel in guys who had already committed. I was not happy with the JD hire, but it is reasonable to think that at least SOME of the issues with Gino might have been related to chemistry, personality, etc., and which a change at the top might unlock the talent that we already had (or were about to enroll).

If Dan felt that Choices # 3 through 10 were going to give us similar answers to what Choices # 1 through 2 gave us, then it makes some sense. It's not a satisfactory answer, but it might be one that is a bit more comprehensible.

I'm the first to tell you that I was proud and grateful for the long tenures of Coach Fraser and Coach Morris. I'd love to see us hire our third multi-decade program-builder. Both of those guys had some head-coaching experience (Ron's experience was overseas) and were not simply promotions from within.

Kelley, DiMare, and Arteaga WERE internal promotions.

I'll leave the comparisons right there...
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were idiots in other words bc we dont learn in any sport
 
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hoops156 said:
were idiots in other words bc we dont learn in any sport
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I don't know. Maybe. Those three internal promotions were made by three different ADs. At some point, we need a Trustee to step in and say "No" to the fourth chapter of this baseball failure story.

Having said that, I'd like to know the reasons for why we were turned down. One would THINK that Miami is viewed as a 50-year success story. Good location, good facilities. Dan does not seem like a bad AD to work for. And we were approaching guys from "comparable" institutions, not the types to be worried about how to get kids to come to a private school. So...perhaps...there were issues with budgets or staff selections? I won't deny that maybe "I like what I've built here" might have come into play, though we DID make things work with Jim Morris.

It's disappointing. If we were willing to consider an "internal promotion" of a guy with no prior head-coaching experience, I'm not sure why we couldn't have identified an up-and-comer.
 
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