SAT/ACT scores required for UM undergrad once again

[Brains]

Standardized tests are a farce. It doesn't take into account anxiety. It doesn't take into account school districts/teacher quality. If curriculum was standardized and taught at the same pace across the board then it would be more valid. However such is not the case which makes it nothing more than an outdated way of measurement.

Maybe things have changed in the last 20 years, but I seriously doubt it. If they haven't then the SAT remains an aptitude test. The entire point is to not take any of that into account. It doesn't test curriculum. Studying for the test is valuable only to familiarize yourself with scoring and format. The classes you took and teachers you had can't save you.

It's a test that you can either do, or you can't.

 

[YLCANE]

Standardized tests are a farce. It doesn't take into account anxiety. It doesn't take into account school districts/teacher quality. If curriculum was standardized and taught at the same pace across the board then it would be more valid. However such is not the case which makes it nothing more than an outdated way of measurement.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

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¿Mujeres tóxicas?

 

[ajkreider]

I identify as a genus. Why would they question my choice?

I'm a family, myself.

 

[Elmer Leghorn]

many , if not most, schools dropped them when COVID hit..

Many schools dropped them for DEI and pressure from the government. Covid or DEI, any serious academic school should have never done it.

 

[The U is back to work]

Many schools dropped them for DEI and pressure from the government. Covid or DEI, any serious academic school should have never done it.

Yes and institutions of higher learning are businesses and they saw decreased enrollments from COVID. Pressure to fill classes can be met by dropping admissions standards. The DEI piece was really the elite Ivy League universities and a select number of state schools.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

My greater point which I didn't convey fully is for something to be standard all things must be equal. Meaning our education system must be equal across the country which we both know is not the case without getting into all that surronds it. I added anxiety because test anxiety is real for some. That's why colleges have moved to creating centers or using rooms for those who have learning disabilities and anxieties. In short I was saying highschools don't do the best of that speaking largely on the public school system. I don't disagree that academic performance is important but placing entry on a score from one test seems asinine as it can disregard achievement elsewhere

It's one of many factors.

It's a test of intelligence. It's imperfect, but it's better than GPA. Standardized tests are less influenced by a student's environment than basically every other element of their application.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

Yeah, **** anybody with any kind of imperfection. As a matter of fact, let's round them all up and send them to camps. That's what they get for being born different than us, am I right?

No, we shouldn't send them to camps.

We also shouldn't let them go to Harvard.

This isn't complicated.

 

[Bender]

This has never been true across the board, and the sooner the school stops trying to pretend it is something it is not and returns focus to football and tan lines the better.

That is true across the board, if a player is terrified of a **** SAT or is unwilling to take one and rather goes somewhere where he doesn't have to take one, he's either a) stupid or b) lazy as **** and takes shortcuts.

And just for the record, because people cannot research to save their life: FSU, UF, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Purdue, La Tech and Memphis require SATs. Stanford is introducing them in 2026.

But sure, if you just want student athletes to play ball and not care about the school, you're getting dumb****s that represent the university on a poor level. Education is not important folks, that's great to know.

 

[Bender]

My greater point which I didn't convey fully is for something to be standard all things must be equal. Meaning our education system must be equal across the country which we both know is not the case without getting into all that surronds it. I added anxiety because test anxiety is real for some. That's why colleges have moved to creating centers or using rooms for those who have learning disabilities and anxieties. In short I was saying highschools don't do the best of that speaking largely on the public school system. I don't disagree that academic performance is important but placing entry on a score from one test seems asinine as it can disregard achievement elsewhere

The university does not want idiots to attend the university. If people have dyslexia or test anxiety, it shows up prior in HS and these cases are... not rare, but they don't happen that often. Being a bit afraid of a math exam isn't test anxiety.

 

[Elmer Leghorn]

Yes and institutions of higher learning are businesses and they saw decreased enrollments from COVID. Pressure to fill classes can be met by dropping admissions standards. The DEI piece was really the elite Ivy League universities and a select number of state schools.

They saw decreased enrollment due to their responses to Covid. The rules and guidelines the institutions themselves put in place caused that. Covid was relatively harmless to most people, especially young, healthy, college aged individuals. Numerous schools drastically overreacted. Covid was the largest scam in the history of the world.

Regarding the Ivy League schools, they have totally destroyed their reputation by lowering their standards and enforcing DEI criteria.

 

[Babscanes]

This is a good thing imo. Way too much crap is too easy for kids these days. They need to toughen up and compete for everything. It’s how society keeps making progress

 

[Ispyin]

What about those coming out of the portal? Are there any academic qualifications?

Yes. That’s why liberty qb now at Colorado had to wait a year to transfer to any decent program. Transcript was a disaster.

 

[ben]

I believe it was Neon Bordeaux who once observed that the SAT is culturally biased

 

[Ispyin]

We have had players not know where to line the **** up on the field under different coordinators and under needing Test scores or not needing Test’s.

It won’t mean **** for football either way.

 

[AUcane]

Maybe things have changed in the last 20 years, but I seriously doubt it. If they haven't then the SAT remains an aptitude test. The entire point is to not take any of that into account. It doesn't test curriculum. Studying for the test is valuable only to familiarize yourself with scoring and format. The classes you took and teachers you had can't save you.

It's a test that you can either do, or you can't.

Kids are gaming the system these days. You know how many 1500+ scores there are these days? A ton. Either the kids are getting smarter, or the test is easier. The latter is a biproduct of the digital age and the access to thousands of practice questions. Back when I was in HS - 30 years ago - getting a 1500+ was unheard of. At the end of the datapoint and things like ECs, HS GPa, course load, high school reputation, etc. should carry more weight.

Jmo

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I believe it was Neon Bordeaux who once observed that the SAT is culturally biased

Or Michael Evans, 20 years earlier...

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Kids are gaming the system these days. You know how many 1500+ scores there are these days? A ton. Either the kids are getting smarter, or the test is easier. The latter is a biproduct of the digital age and the access to thousands of practice questions. Back when I was in HS - 30 years ago - getting a 1500+ was unheard of. At the end of the datapoint and things like ECs, HS GPa, course load, high school reputation, etc. should carry more weight.

Jmo

This is wrong, on a number of levels.

The most important one is that the 200-800 scoring scale is a SCALED score. Whatever the raw score is (number of correct answers), it gets SCALED to a bell curve. Thus, there are roughly the same PERCENTAGE of 1500+ scores than there ever have been.

There might be "more" 1500+ scores because more people are taking the test. Or there might APPEAR TO BE more 1500+ scores because of publicity from the local newspapers or social media.

But there is the same PERCENTAGE of 1500+ scores as always.

 

[AUcane]

This is wrong, on a number of levels.

The most important one is that the 200-800 scoring scale is a SCALED score. Whatever the raw score is (number of correct answers), it gets SCALED to a bell curve. Thus, there are roughly the same PERCENTAGE of 1500+ scores than there ever have been.

There might be "more" 1500+ scores because more people are taking the test. Or there might APPEAR TO BE more 1500+ scores because of publicity from the local newspapers or social media.

But there is the same PERCENTAGE of 1500+ scores as always.

I’ve read different and I will dig up some sources. Do you have any sources for this?

 

[GeorgiaHurricane]

They saw decreased enrollment due to their responses to Covid. The rules and guidelines the institutions themselves put in place caused that. Covid was relatively harmless to most people, especially young, healthy, college aged individuals. Numerous schools drastically overreacted. Covid was the largest scam in the history of the world.

Regarding the Ivy League schools, they have totally destroyed their reputation by lowering their standards and enforcing DEI criteria.

UGA and GT saw their enrollment decrease and it had nothing to do with Georgia response to Covid. That’s asinine. University of Florida enrollment has gone down every year since Covid and that has nothing to do with Covid either. They are the top state school and we all saw how DeSantis didn’t shut the state down when Covid hit

Kids are gaming the system these days. You know how many 1500+ scores there are these days? A ton. Either the kids are getting smarter, or the test is easier. The latter is a biproduct of the digital age and the access to thousands of practice questions. Back when I was in HS - 30 years ago - getting a 1500+ was unheard of. At the end of the datapoint and things like ECs, HS GPa, course load, high school reputation, etc. should carry more weight.

Jmo

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