SAT/ACT scores required for UM undergrad once again

Attrition rates are climbing everywhere in higher ed so it makes sense.
The way the college board folks explained this to me when I was in HS admin (pre-COVID) was that anyone below a 1000 shouldn't go directly into a 4-year school (unless they can catch 10 TD's of course).

Anyone above a 1400 is a lock to graduate in 5 years and 75% grad rate in 4y.

1000-1400 they dunno chit about their success rate and it's a crapshoot.
 
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This is actually a commonly misstated cause-effect summary of what actually happened.

First, the SAT or some variation thereof has been administered for decades. In the early days, it was predominantly taken by people with serious plans to enter college.

Accelerating from the 1980s onward, the SAT began to be used for a variety of purposes and was taken by an increasingly large percentage of the student body, and across a wider base of years.

For instance, the Duke Talent Identification Program routinely had SEVENTH GRADERS take the SAT. I myself took the SAT for the first time in seventh grade, and was selected for T.I.P. Now, I'll be the first person to tell you that my 11th/12th grade SAT scores were significantly higher than my 7th grade SAT scores. But as a 7th grader, my "lower" scores were a part of the statistical bell curve.

From the 1980s onward, almost every high school student was pressured to take the SAT. Including athletes. Including students who were likely to go to 2-year community colleges.

As a result, by the early 1990s, the MEAN score of the SAT had declined a bit. So the scaled score was RE-curved. Which resulted in an uptick in the "fat" part of the bell curve where most of the scaled scores reside. It was absolutely NOT some sort of "add 100 points to your score no matter what your score was" situation.

And this has nothing to do with the test being "slightly easier". In fact, the argument can be made that the format of the test is more difficult today. For instance, in the 1980s, you had exactly two kinds of Math questions. There was the traditional "5 answer multiple choice" question, and the the old 4 answer "comparison" questions (they gave you two columns of math information, you answered A if column A was always larger, B if column B was always larger, C if the two columns were equal, and D if it "could not be determined"). Since the 1980s, the test has added a mix of other formats, and you currently have a batch of questions that are based on interpreting charts or tables.

Similarly, the SAT Verbal was made up of Reading Comprehension, Analogies, Sentence Completion, and Analogies. The "Test of Standard Written English" was where you had your Grammar questions, but this section "(scored from a 0 to 60+) did not "count" as a part of your scaled score. Now, things like Analogies and Antonyms have been removed and the grammar components have been moved to the "regular" Verbal section.

I'm not sure that either math or verbal are "easier" than they used to be. And I think my nephews and nieces and family friends whom I have prepped for the SAT for the last 20 years would agree.

Can you prep? Sure. I've never seen any other test where people try to convince you "oh, you can't prepare, you should just go in there and do your best, nobody cares if your score is low". But that's what HS teachers and advisors try to tell HS students today.

Is it easier to afford prep courses and/or materials if you have more money? Sure, but that fact has never changed.
Great info all over this tread.
 
Thank you sweet Jesus, Mary, and Joseph Echevarria.

Glad to have the SAT/ACT back again. This will have ZERO impact on Athletics.
I hope not. I thought during the Shalala years we had problems with the admissions office costing us recruits (or at least that is what was told on the boards back then).
 
Standardized tests are a farce. It doesn't take into account anxiety. It doesn't take into account school districts/teacher quality. If curriculum was standardized and taught at the same pace across the board then it would be more valid. However such is not the case which makes it nothing more than an outdated way of measurement.
This isn't completely true. There is plenty of help out there for those with legit learning disabilities. I know a few people who got extra time on exams because they had legit learning disabilities. There is help to be had if you need it.
 
Cool, cuz I wanted to be her daddy


Settle down, gentlemen. Tiffany's college boyfriend/eventual-husband occasionally posts on the board. He was my roommate for a year over in the Red Roofs, so I got to know both of them fairly well during the 1992-93 school year. Good people.

They have a college-aged daughter, and it makes me feel so oooold...
 
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I hope not. I thought during the Shalala years we had problems with the admissions office costing us recruits (or at least that is what was told on the boards back then).


Reality (back then) was greatly exaggerated.

The only recruits we ever "lost" back then were due to terrible transcripts. If you recall, it was easy to "raise one's GPA" by retaking correspondence classes in HS, but if the recruit did not have enough "core classes" to be ready for college without taking 2 semesters of non-degree prep courses, then we moved on.

Trust me, I tutored a certain WR during his Prop 48 year, teaching him a non-degree math class, and that was just one 3-credit course. Miami didn't think it was worth it for a kid to take a whole year's worth of prep, while making zero progress towards a degree.
 
Settle down, gentlemen. Tiffany's college boyfriend/eventual-husband occasionally posts on the board. He was my roommate for a year over in the Red Roofs, so I got to know both of them fairly well during the 1992-93 school year. Good people.

They have a college-aged daughter, and it makes me feel so oooold...
I'm talking about a different Tiffany

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This isn't completely true. There is plenty of help out there for those with legit learning disabilities. I know a few people who got extra time on exams because they had legit learning disabilities. There is help to be had if you need it.
I addressed in a later post where I mentioned this clarifying my point. So not wrong on your end, in short I was speaking on this type of testing being overvalued.
 
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This is a good thing imo. Way too much crap is too easy for kids these days. They need to toughen up and compete for everything. It’s how society keeps making progress
Nothing screams compete like "Take a test that has is rife with fraud and anyone with enough money(and an IQ above room temperature) can buy a decent score by taking enough prep classes"

The SAT is a predictor of socio-economic class(or should I say confirmation), nothing more. If it was truly about intelligence, the concept of prep classes and the like wouldn't exist, it wouldn't be possible for companies to guarantee higher scores, because the test wouldn't be that incredibly predicable and easy to game.

The billion dollar prep industry is enjoying this, because the pipeline is full go once again, same with all the other crap designed to keep working class kids away from higher education.
 
The way the college board folks explained this to me when I was in HS admin (pre-COVID) was that anyone below a 1000 shouldn't go directly into a 4-year school (unless they can catch 10 TD's of course).

Anyone above a 1400 is a lock to graduate in 5 years and 75% grad rate in 4y.

1000-1400 they dunno chit about their success rate and it's a crapshoot.

The easiest, and most accurate way to predict whether someone completes college is to look at the resources available to them. Most of the people that don't complete aren't inept, most are merely unable to afford college, or lose financial support.
 
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I hope not. I thought during the Shalala years we had problems with the admissions office costing us recruits (or at least that is what was told on the boards back then).
It was always nonsense, Coker used admissions as the scapegoat for his halfassed, inept recruiting. Randy Shannon worked closely with admissions to create roadmaps for at risk student athletes, and there's a legit reason why Miami has to have some academic requirements: This isn't some huge state school where you can hide a multitude of kids in "Rocks for Jocks" majors. Even if you are a Liberal Arts major, you will have to take some legitimate college classes, EVENTUALLY. The school's standard has always been "Can this student athlete, if he receives world class academic support be a candidate for graduation".

If the answer is no, maybe there's an exception made if they are legitimately borderline. That said, it takes a truly lazy, inept student to not meet the laughably low standard for student athlete admission. This isn't Stanford, where student athletes have to have similar stats as the general student body, Miami just asks you to be functionally literate and able to make it through a college course without resorting to academic fraud.
 
This is a great point, but I feel that not having the test score didn't help my son. He had a 34 ACT and a 35 Superscore, yet he was waitlisted in 2023. IMO this will have not impact on Athletics.
To UM? Good lord things must have changed over a 3 year period. My son got a 33 in 2019 and was offered full tuition.
 
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We can agree to disagree. Your opinion is I am wrong. No such thing as a standard opinion... See what I did there 🤣


 
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