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hurricaneman said:
This is how so many of our run formations are set up. You're just running into a sea of people of 1st and 10.
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And Fletcher and Martinez don't have great vision. Martinez eventually takes this to the left, instead of the right. Fletcher would do this a bunch as well. I said last week, a lot of these plays look like they should be counters because of how the holes open and the blocking scheme, especially with the receivers. It's weird.
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The next play here is a TD but you can see, if you wanted to run, this would be successful. They need to take advantage of the spacing they have and the down field threat.
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Immediately post snap if this was a handoff then Martinez gets a big chunk of yards.
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IMO, this is exactly why I would play the more dynamic backs early (Johnson, Lyles, #28) and then come back in the 2nd and 3rd quarters with the bulls in Fletcher and Martinez.

The cutbacks are there. We just arent seeing them. Cam is a serious luxury to have. But its also allowing the OC to abandon and ****, ignore the run game, for too long of stretches IMO
 
Running game needs some diversity no doubt. A toss, counter something. My one complaint with Dawson is lack of imagination. I’m not talking about reverse and TB passes. A run not seen before. He’s done it in the pass game. JG TD against A&M last year at the goaline. Motion that creates a miss match of speed and angle. Hopefully, there is a playbook that needs opening. We need it. Not good enough to come out and impose our will. Coaches earn their paycheck in tight games. I think this staff will earn it. My $0.02.

Go Canes!
 
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BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
The coaching staff puts such a high emphasis on pass protection for the RBs that I think it sometimes may blur their vision. Example - I think Ajay Allen could be an absolute stud here, but he doesn't sniff more than a small handful of carries each game. Why? Because he isn't good at pass protection. I get it from the coach's viewpoint to a point. I think Allen is a home run hitter and guys like that need to be on the field more than not. That's my opinion and I'm sure others disagree, but that's how I see it. Barry Sanders was a pretty good RB and I don't think he made the HOF based on pass pro.

A couple other thoughts on Martinez (that you didn't ask for but you're getting anyway!):
I did not watch him much at all at Oregon State. I watched some highlights on youtube and saw tha his OL seemed to open more holes for him that what has happened so far this year. I don't know if this has more to do with injuries to Rivers and Rodriguez, blocking schemes, talent of OL, etc or if his OL at OSU was just better. I also noticed that at times, OSU used a FB to help as a lead blocker. I'm not saying we should do that, but I am saying that it was a help for him. More than all that, I kind of just wonder how much of this is learning curve/comfort issues. I don't know and won't guess, but he does look off and I don't think he forgot how to play football over hte last 10 months. It's weird.

Lyle is going to be a complete stud.
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IMO the importance of RB pass pro is completely overexaggerated.

In our last 25 games RB's have given up 1 sack & 1 hit (both Henry Parrish)

2 hits on the QB in our last 700 pass attempts is basically no affect on the game.

Ajay Allen not getting playing time - theres factors going into that, but I don't think they're performance related.

It's unfortunate, but I dont see a path for AA to get playing time (outside of injuries) and I suspect he'll transfer.
 
bshaw28 said:
IMO the importance of RB pass pro is completely overexaggerated.

In our last 25 games RB's have given up 1 sack & 1 hit (both Henry Parrish)

2 hits on the QB in our last 700 pass attempts is basically no affect on the game.

Ajay Allen not getting playing time - theres factors going into that, but I don't think they're performance related.

It's unfortunate, but I dont see a path for AA to get playing time (outside of injuries) and I suspect he'll transfer.
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Its one of those things that could be a deciding factor in a close battle when comparing who runs better..

I don’t think anyone fits this run scheme more than ajay allen..Not saying he is the best rb but his style fits the best imo
 
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Shooter McGavin said:
Listen you ****** Brashard Smith **** riders. He might be having a good year but still has fumble problems and he was a cancer to the locker room at Miami. There’s a reason Mario didn’t fight to keep him and others here.
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Hasn’t had a fumble issue at SMU. Does that mean he’s “cured”? Of course not. But that rationale about him doesn’t hold water right now.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
The coaching staff puts such a high emphasis on pass protection for the RBs that I think it sometimes may blur their vision. Example - I think Ajay Allen could be an absolute stud here, but he doesn't sniff more than a small handful of carries each game. Why? Because he isn't good at pass protection. I get it from the coach's viewpoint to a point. I think Allen is a home run hitter and guys like that need to be on the field more than not. That's my opinion and I'm sure others disagree, but that's how I see it. Barry Sanders was a pretty good RB and I don't think he made the HOF based on pass pro.

A couple other thoughts on Martinez (that you didn't ask for but you're getting anyway!):
I did not watch him much at all at Oregon State. I watched some highlights on youtube and saw tha his OL seemed to open more holes for him that what has happened so far this year. I don't know if this has more to do with injuries to Rivers and Rodriguez, blocking schemes, talent of OL, etc or if his OL at OSU was just better. I also noticed that at times, OSU used a FB to help as a lead blocker. I'm not saying we should do that, but I am saying that it was a help for him. More than all that, I kind of just wonder how much of this is learning curve/comfort issues. I don't know and won't guess, but he does look off and I don't think he forgot how to play football over hte last 10 months. It's weird.

Lyle is going to be a complete stud.
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Oregon ST had the #1 run blocking oline last year. And its a completely different scheme than ours, i think he gets more comfortable and hopefully our run blocking gets alot better because imo thats the biggest issue here but i dont think we get that level of player we saw at oregon st
 
E1k said:
What you thinking?
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+ Majority of the runs of more than 3yds are outside the tackles.
+ In most running plays to the left, it looks like there is no scheme! Just a reverse mush rush. No movement whatsoever.
+ The condensed set runs lead to a ton of play action and early down throwing success. Im not mad it.
+ In the spring, I saw a ton of running with pullers from spread sets.
+ In the fall, I saw the same concepts from spread sets with a TE in motion as the second puller. We’ve seen that play be very successful so far.
+ Martinez and Fletcher need to break some god**** tackles. These guys are getting knocked over by a stiff autumn wind.

To summarize, I’ve only sparingly seen the blocking schemes from the spring/summer in the regular season. It’s very odd since we’re 5 games in and the inside mush (it’s not even a zone) concept just plain sucks. Against USF (13:47) it should’ve been a big gain but Martinez doesn’t follow Arroyo. Against VagTech (16:50) that’s the play I saw go for 50+ by Lyle in the summer. Double and move to second level. It works because the field is spread out to cover the WR screen at the top.
 
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nickster said:
I think this coaching staff is asleep at the wheel and is the BIGGEST LIABILITY TO THIS TEAM.Pointing my finger right at Dawson and Mario. Martinez is a little bit better than average RB and I'm so so disappointed in his performance. The trio of Jordan Lyle, Mark Fletcher, and Ajay Allen can all run between the tackles with much more speed and quickness. Chris Johson should getting more touches on the outside too. An absoulte travesty some of these players are not getting the burn time. Martinez is a short time rental and he certainly has not lived up to the hype. Mario and Dawson should take a very long time out and examine their utilizations of the RB position. These skilled players want more opportunties and deserve more playing time. Out of anybody on the team I would classify Martinez as a disappointment!
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We’re running out same bunch/condensed formations when Gattis was here
 
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E1k said:
Its one of those things that could be a deciding factor in a close battle when comparing who runs better..

I don’t think anyone fits this run scheme more than ajay allen..Not saying he is the best rb but his style fits the best imo
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100% agree. And as a general rule, using bigger RB'S in pass pro is smarter, which works against Allen.

But I think recruiting plays a part in Allen's lack of PT in 2 ways:

1) Say Fletcher/Allen/Lyle are on similar levels, who would you play - the 2 4* RB's from local powerhouse schools you're going to recruit every year, or the 3* out of state RB from a school you'll probably never recruit again? Mario isn't dumb.

2) I think the coaches genuinely like Allen, but he was recruited out of necessity and was a "grab the best we can find in the portal" type recruit. Fletcher & Lyle are different - the coaches spent years recruiting those guys. They have more invested in them.

Because of those 2 things, Allen can't be the same or even just a little better. He has to be pretty obviously better to jump them on the depth chart.
 
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Ghandi said:
+ Majority of the runs of more than 3yds are outside the tackles.
+ In most running plays to the left, it looks like there is no scheme! Just a reverse mush rush. No movement whatsoever.
+ The condensed set runs lead to a ton of play action and early down throwing success. Im not mad it.
+ In the spring, I saw a ton of running with pullers from spread sets.
+ In the fall, I saw the same concepts from spread sets with a TE in motion as the second puller. We’ve seen that play be very successful so far.
+ Martinez and Fletcher need to break some god**** tackles. These guys are getting knocked over by a stiff autumn wind.

To summarize, I’ve only sparingly seen the blocking schemes from the spring/summer in the regular season. It’s very odd since we’re 5 games in and the inside mush (it’s not even a zone) concept just plain sucks. Against USF (13:47) it should’ve been a big gain but Martinez doesn’t follow Arroyo. Against VagTech (16:50) that’s the play I saw go for 50+ by Lyle in the summer. Double and move to second level. It works because the field is spread out to cover the WR screen at the top.
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Just some things i noticed:

Against VT, Martinez had the opportunity for at least two huge runs but hit the wrong hole.

There were several plays with Restrepo motioning into the box that the defender he was supposed to block made the tackle, or the defender he lead into the box with the motion made the tackle for minimal gain.

The best run of the day was off inside zone with a bubble, Restrepo leaving the box instead of motioning into it. (Crazy how that works)

We stopped running out of such condensed sets in 11 personnel and immediately saw more space in the second half.
 
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Just some things i noticed:

Against VT, Martinez had the opportunity for at least two huge runs but hit the wrong hole.

There were several plays with Restrepo motioning into the box that the defender he was supposed to block made the tackle, or the defender he lead into the box with the motion made the tackle for minimal gain.

The best run of the day was off inside zone with a bubble, Restrepo leaving the box instead of motioning into it. (Crazy how that works)

We stopped running out of such condensed sets in 11 personnel and immediately saw more space in the second half.
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There was a play vs USF where we motioned arroyo in, the OL opened a ginormous hole and arroyos trailing defender ran right through it and blew up Martinez. Its about 12:30 in on the video video porsted earlier
 
MiamisMoperiestMopes said:
There was a play vs USF where we motioned arroyo in, the OL opened a ginormous hole and arroyos trailing defender ran right through it and blew up Martinez. Its about 12:30 in on the video video porsted earlier
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I don't get it, brother
 
Ghandi said:
There were several plays with Restrepo motioning into the box that the defender he was supposed to block made the tackle, or the defender he lead into the box with the motion made the tackle for minimal gain.
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This happens all the time. They bring the receiver in, he brings the db in with him, and the db ends up blowing through a block and plugging holes or making tackles. They also have them blocking in the direction the play is going.

That play sets up beautifully for a counter because the db gets sucked into the middle which leaves the outside open but they never do it.
 
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