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Running Back: Tucker and Elder

I'm excited to see what Crawford brings to the table. Seems like he's a potential game breaker.
 
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Mo ******* Hagens. Dude is money in short yardage.


Corn is a CB.


Crawford and Clements are good options to spell Duke here and there.


Not worried about RB at all.
 
If Corn can become a star at corner our secondary would be even filthiest than it's going tone. That is if we get some safety depth
 
rokulika said:
To me our backfield look like a leprechaun to me.

Duke, Clements, Crawford are little dudes

Elder would fit right in but he's going to redshirt
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Maybe there's a pot of gold at the end of their runs. I'd like to see 'aggins used more, and Gus could beef things up a bit.
 
zone3cane said:
Canez1 said:
zone3cane said:
Lol this OP said nobody has shown to be real threats then brings up Walter Tucker as the solution lol hilarious

Eduardo Clements and Dallas Crawford are great 2nd and 3rd options at RB.... VT would be glad to have both as starters right about now. Eduardo even though he isnt a 210lb running back runs like a strong power back w/ some shiftiness to him. I think the RB position is fine especially when u throw Gus Edwards in the mix.

Al Golden said that WR depth concerns him which is a valid concern especially if we are going to run spread formations.... I think Corn Elder would be perfect for the slot wr position.

Walter Tucker best position on offense is FB.
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The problem with Clements is he has no vision. A battering ram is really all he is good for but can his neck take the punishment. Crawford seems to go down from a slight breeze. Elder has the vision and shiftiness that we need but first came the trial at CB and now talk of moving him to the slot. Why not try him at his natural position? Hopefully we can rely on Gus to give Duke a blow.
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I disagree with about everything you just said in regards to Eduardo and Clements....

Eduardo Clements has good enough vision, good balance, and attacks wholes hard. He's good enough to handle his role effectively.

Dallas Crawford has very good balance, shifty as **** and definitely doesnt go down w/ a "slight breeze"

Corn Elder may have more upside at RB then both of those 2 but he aint better then both of them right now at rb... he is too small and would need a redshirt just to gain weight. His natural position is on offense, he's not a natural rb, he's just a natural playmaker. He could excel at WR just like at RB imo. He can also be a very good cornerback... an all around great athlete.


Also Mo Hagens also brings a different dynamic to the rb position b/c he will get the ball this year..... and Gus Edwards is going to be a playmaker. UM doesnt need Corn Elder at RB at all especially after the next class comes in.
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I noticed that you said good enough vision to handle his role, which is basically lower his head and get a yard or so. He has a tendency to seek out contact when he could have avoided it.

I totally agree with what you said about Crawford except he does go down easy. Admittedly, I haven't had the opportunity to see much of him this year so maybe that has changed with some strength & conditioning.

I never said Elder should be thrown into the fire. I agree that a redshirt is best for him but I seriously disagree with the comment that he's not a natural rb. You are also counting on a '14 class that hasn't inked yet. While I have even higher hopes for RB in that class, we all know things can change in a heartbeat.
 
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Canez1 said:
zone3cane said:
Canez1 said:
zone3cane said:
Lol this OP said nobody has shown to be real threats then brings up Walter Tucker as the solution lol hilarious

Eduardo Clements and Dallas Crawford are great 2nd and 3rd options at RB.... VT would be glad to have both as starters right about now. Eduardo even though he isnt a 210lb running back runs like a strong power back w/ some shiftiness to him. I think the RB position is fine especially when u throw Gus Edwards in the mix.

Al Golden said that WR depth concerns him which is a valid concern especially if we are going to run spread formations.... I think Corn Elder would be perfect for the slot wr position.

Walter Tucker best position on offense is FB.
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The problem with Clements is he has no vision. A battering ram is really all he is good for but can his neck take the punishment. Crawford seems to go down from a slight breeze. Elder has the vision and shiftiness that we need but first came the trial at CB and now talk of moving him to the slot. Why not try him at his natural position? Hopefully we can rely on Gus to give Duke a blow.
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I disagree with about everything you just said in regards to Eduardo and Clements....

Eduardo Clements has good enough vision, good balance, and attacks wholes hard. He's good enough to handle his role effectively.

Dallas Crawford has very good balance, shifty as **** and definitely doesnt go down w/ a "slight breeze"

Corn Elder may have more upside at RB then both of those 2 but he aint better then both of them right now at rb... he is too small and would need a redshirt just to gain weight. His natural position is on offense, he's not a natural rb, he's just a natural playmaker. He could excel at WR just like at RB imo. He can also be a very good cornerback... an all around great athlete.


Also Mo Hagens also brings a different dynamic to the rb position b/c he will get the ball this year..... and Gus Edwards is going to be a playmaker. UM doesnt need Corn Elder at RB at all especially after the next class comes in.
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I noticed that you said good enough vision to handle his role, which is basically lower his head and get a yard or so. He has a tendency to seek out contact when he could have avoided it.

I totally agree with what you said about Crawford except he does go down easy. Admittedly, I haven't had the opportunity to see much of him this year so maybe that has changed with some strength & conditioning.

I never said Elder should be thrown into the fire. I agree that a redshirt is best for him but I seriously disagree with the comment that he's not a natural rb. You are also counting on a '14 class that hasn't inked yet. While I have even higher hopes for RB in that class, we all know things can change in a heartbeat.
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I agree b/c you make good points and have a reasonable point of view
 
Elder is probably going to stay at CB, and in reality, that's probably the best place for him right now. If we moved him to RB, he would be a scat back, his frame is very slight, IMO, his body is better suited to CB.

I for one am VERY concerned about depth at RB. Duke is basically the candy store. Anything happens there, and we are F*cked. And when was the last time we went through a whole season without our #1 RB at least getting dinged up for a few games? We need a consistent #2 back. Im not sold on Crawford. Hopefully Edwards can start practicing and get it in gear. Edwards has the FRAME we need as a "grinder" back to spell Duke.

Clements is Clements. And that's all he's ever going to be. Kid has some moves, but no vision, as someone else already posted. Im also concerned about his health situation and wether he can endure the season. He also doesnt have the size we need for a between the tackles consistent "grinder". He's no Mike James, IMO.
 
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CANE4LIFE said:
Clements is Clements. And that's all he's ever going to be. Kid has some moves, but no vision, as someone else already posted. Im also concerned about his health situation and wether he can endure the season. He also doesnt have the size we need for a between the tackles consistent "grinder". He's no Mike James, IMO.
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He's actually better between the tackles than Mike James was. That's why he took the short yardage gig from him a couple years ago toward the end of the season.
 
The Franchise said:
CANE4LIFE said:
Clements is Clements. And that's all he's ever going to be. Kid has some moves, but no vision, as someone else already posted. Im also concerned about his health situation and wether he can endure the season. He also doesnt have the size we need for a between the tackles consistent "grinder". He's no Mike James, IMO.
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He's actually better between the tackles than Mike James was. That's why he took the short yardage gig from him a couple years ago toward the end of the season.
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Both Duke and EC are more capable as between the tackles grinders than Mike James (it's just a question of their bodies holding up if they do it consistently). I love Mike James' heart and contributions to this team, but people see his size and assume he is "thunder", but he ran like a small back. He regularly would break down and stutter step in the backfield and would only go full throttle ahead when he saw a nice open hole.
 
rokulika said:
I'm excited to see what Crawford brings to the table. Seems like he's a potential game breaker.
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He's not a 50 yard gallup kind of game breaker; he's more of the 15-20 yd game breaking type.

/different kind
//i'll take it
 
I'm not convinced Corn will stay at CB, but we'll see. In any case, I think he would excel almost anywhere you line him up because he's a freak athlete with a playmaker's mentality.

CANE4LIFE said:
Elder is probably going to stay at CB, and in reality, that's probably the best place for him right now. If we moved him to RB, he would be a scat back, his frame is very slight, IMO, his body is better suited to CB.
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I think people are sleeping on Johnson, the Iowa transfer. Don't see why he couldn't be a short yardage or emergency back good for about 20 carries this year.
 
Canez1 said:
zone3cane said:
Canez1 said:
zone3cane said:
Lol this OP said nobody has shown to be real threats then brings up Walter Tucker as the solution lol hilarious

Eduardo Clements and Dallas Crawford are great 2nd and 3rd options at RB.... VT would be glad to have both as starters right about now. Eduardo even though he isnt a 210lb running back runs like a strong power back w/ some shiftiness to him. I think the RB position is fine especially when u throw Gus Edwards in the mix.

Al Golden said that WR depth concerns him which is a valid concern especially if we are going to run spread formations.... I think Corn Elder would be perfect for the slot wr position.

Walter Tucker best position on offense is FB.
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The problem with Clements is he has no vision. A battering ram is really all he is good for but can his neck take the punishment. Crawford seems to go down from a slight breeze. Elder has the vision and shiftiness that we need but first came the trial at CB and now talk of moving him to the slot. Why not try him at his natural position? Hopefully we can rely on Gus to give Duke a blow.
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I disagree with about everything you just said in regards to Eduardo and Clements....

Eduardo Clements has good enough vision, good balance, and attacks wholes hard. He's good enough to handle his role effectively.

Dallas Crawford has very good balance, shifty as **** and definitely doesnt go down w/ a "slight breeze"

Corn Elder may have more upside at RB then both of those 2 but he aint better then both of them right now at rb... he is too small and would need a redshirt just to gain weight. His natural position is on offense, he's not a natural rb, he's just a natural playmaker. He could excel at WR just like at RB imo. He can also be a very good cornerback... an all around great athlete.


Also Mo Hagens also brings a different dynamic to the rb position b/c he will get the ball this year..... and Gus Edwards is going to be a playmaker. UM doesnt need Corn Elder at RB at all especially after the next class comes in.
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I noticed that you said good enough vision to handle his role, which is basically lower his head and get a yard or so. He has a tendency to seek out contact when he could have avoided it.

I totally agree with what you said about Crawford except he does go down easy. Admittedly, I haven't had the opportunity to see much of him this year so maybe that has changed with some strength & conditioning.

I never said Elder should be thrown into the fire. I agree that a redshirt is best for him but I seriously disagree with the comment that he's not a natural rb. You are also counting on a '14 class that hasn't inked yet. While I have even higher hopes for RB in that class, we all know things can change in a heartbeat.
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corn isnt a short yardage back on his best day and crawford goes down with a "slight breeze" what give you the slightest clue that corn can break tackles on this level? not his highlight tape where he ran past dudes all day.
 
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What about that kid from Iowa - Johnson?

He looked solid in the games I saw him (Youtube, naturally).
 
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