Rick Endorses The 8 Team Playoff Plan

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If people have such a stick up their *** about teams not winning the conference but making it in, eliminate non conference play and just make the sport worse that way

 

[Tony Perps]

Again, 4 doesn't work because it omits conference champions AND adds too much of the human element.

So we're going to make conference championships more meaningful by adding three non-champions to the playoff?

And an 8-team playoff only increases the "human element." It's pretty easy to decide the top 4 teams. It's a lot harder when you're talking about the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th ranked teams.

If you really cared about those things, the only option would be a six-team playoff with five Power 5 champions and the highest ranked Group of 5 champion. That would be better than an 8-team playoff, but still too much.

Does anybody actually think this year's playoffs are worse without Penn State? That's what we're upset about? There's nothing to fix. The system works. The past two years have been exciting as ****, and this one should be no different. Keep it the way it is.

Plus one million.

 

[kryptonite]

So we would not qualify with our 2016 schedule, or did I misunderstand? Using BCS for the other 3 teams might actually be more contentious. Everybody gets that sometimes psu wins the conference even though osu and Michigan are better, that's fine. It's those other spots where it gets dicey. Now you've got teams at 9-2 saying hey, we beat #6 (conference champ) but we're being left out because the computers think some other 9-2 team is better.

As you've said, you can't please everybody. 8 teams seems like a lot of games to me, but I agree that it would do a better job of choosing a NC than the BCS or 4 team playoff would and I think the terms you've laid out cover as many bases as possible.

No we wouldn't qualify for an at-large bid.

I don't think you understand the BCS part for some reason.

To be an at-large team, you must first QUALIFY (see the prior post about scheduling).

Then, all the qualified teams are ranked using a computer formula that measures the following criteria:

- SOS
- Record
- RPI

There is no human group selecting.

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As for 8 teams seems like a lot of games. It is an additional 4 games in total (4-2-1) as opposed to (2-1).

BCS took human polls into consideration and they were always a little fuzzy with how things worked which lead to rule changes as problems arose and uncertainty.

SOS, record, and RPI is simpler and human free. Count me in.

 

[DMoney]

Not sure why the conference championships aren't more meaningful. If you automatically fill 5/8 teams with conference championships, you remove any human element from 63% of the field. As opposed with today, where all 4 teams are SELECTED by a group. Remember, they're SELECTED by a group rather than allowing the actual results dictate the selections.

There have been 12 teams in the college football playoff. Of those 12, 11 won their conference. You want 3 non-champions (selected by computers) to play for the title every year.

We shouldn't have them "DECIDE" the top 4 teams. We should have a set of standards and as minimal decisions as possible.

You want a BCS poll to "DECIDE" the bottom three teams. Learn from past mistakes.

Don't use the word "upset". I couldn't give 2 chits about Penn State or Michigan or anyone that isn't Miami.

Then stop trying to ruin the sport I love.

The system is really flawed and there have been countless examples of it.

Let's hear these "countless" examples. The system has been around for two years. We've had two great playoffs. Let me hear how Penn State and TCU not making the playoffs has hurt college football.

 

[Lokest]

If you're arguing for a team in Penn states position, you're seriously suggesting watering down the criteria to make the playoff. Truth of the matter is that the 3rd and 4th best teams in the big 10 played for the championship. That wasn't the case for the other 3 teams in the playoffs.

 

[JgDaCane]

If you're arguing for a team in Penn states position, you're seriously suggesting watering down the criteria to make the playoff. Truth of the matter is that the 3rd and 4th best teams in the big 10 played for the championship. That wasn't the case for the other 3 teams in the playoffs.

bingo

 

[Echtcane]

I disagree. The playoffs in any sport is amazing and fun to watch. Losing one game would no longer kill your season.

Exactly. It would help to maintain interest for more teams.

 

[firstandcanes]

I would be good with a four team playoff if they made four 16 team conferences. Every conference would have a championship game with the winner going to the playoff. Take the committee and people like Condi Rice out of it (wtf does she know about college football).

 

[Sebastian_29]

8 teams is way too many. We have yet to have a playoff scenario where 8 teams deserved to make it. TCU and Baylor finished 5 and 6 in 2014 and that's the closest we've come. 6 team playoff makes more sense than 8. I like 4

 

[Consigliere]

Not sure why the conference championships aren't more meaningful. If you automatically fill 5/8 teams with conference championships, you remove any human element from 63% of the field. As opposed with today, where all 4 teams are SELECTED by a group. Remember, they're SELECTED by a group rather than allowing the actual results dictate the selections.

There have been 12 teams in the college football playoff. Of those 12, 11 won their conference. You want 3 non-champions (selected by computers) to play for the title every year.

We shouldn't have them "DECIDE" the top 4 teams. We should have a set of standards and as minimal decisions as possible.

You want a BCS poll to "DECIDE" the bottom three teams. Learn from past mistakes.

Don't use the word "upset". I couldn't give 2 chits about Penn State or Michigan or anyone that isn't Miami.

Then stop trying to ruin the sport I love.

The system is really flawed and there have been countless examples of it.

Let's hear these "countless" examples. The system has been around for two years. We've had two great playoffs. Let me hear how Penn State and TCU not making the playoffs has hurt college football.

I don't understand what you're talking about.

1. What is 12 teams?

2. The BCS poll or ranking system is only the title. It has no human interference. The formula ranks the best at-large teams by taking into consideration: (a) SOS, (b) Record and (c) RPI. Call it the Hand Job Poll. I have learned from past mistakes, 2 is wrong, 4 is wrong.

3. Why don't we just do whatever D$ wants then.

4. Read the thread for examples.

 

[NVA CANE]

Again, 4 doesn't work because it omits conference champions AND adds too much of the human element.

So we're going to make conference championships more meaningful by adding three non-champions to the playoff?

And an 8-team playoff only increases the "human element." It's pretty easy to decide the top 4 teams. It's a lot harder when you're talking about the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th ranked teams.

If you really cared about those things, the only option would be a six-team playoff with five Power 5 champions and the highest ranked Group of 5 champion. That would be better than an 8-team playoff, but still too much.

Does anybody actually think this year's playoffs are worse without Penn State? That's what we're upset about? There's nothing to fix. The system works. The past two years have been exciting as ****, and this one should be no different. Keep it the way it is.

Plus one million.

This.

Going to 8 team playoffs dilutes the regular season and the playoff system. I have zero interest in watching Wisconsin or Michigan in the playoffs. They had their chance in the regular season and failed.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Diminish the regular season?....... Oklahoma lost two big out of conference games but went undefeated in conference and won their conference. With 8 they are in. Why play those games in the current setup?

Penn State would probably like to discuss the random upset in October meaning something.

But at least this guy is consistent:

https://mobile.twitter.com/dannykanell/status/805512437537665025

 

[Tad Footeball]

Not sure how many beisbol fans we have here but this same argument about "diluting" the regular season was made against the addition of the wild cards to their playoff system too. Of course it had the opposite effect and made September and October a whole lot more interesting (in an oft deemed boring sport). And that's a sport where all the division winners were already getting in. The fact that this committee method of choosing postseason participants can't/wouldn't be applied to ANY other sport on the college or pro level should be a yuge red flag. But then again I find more fun in watching actual games than watching debate on eSECpn.

 

[gogeta4]

Dmoney and them are cool with it .....until we are in contention and he realizes condi rice just said no to miami being in while eating miso soup citing that Stanford is a better "matchup" for Bama.

These playoffs have been sooooooo good the last two years that I haven't watched the 1-4 match up yet and I'm the guy that break down Tuesday night mac games.

6 or 8 is the way to go..I called Washington getting in 3 weeks before as the pac 12 didn't get anyone in the year before. The big 10 champ game was irrelevant as espn and guys like dmoney decided that osu is good because of urban Meyer by gane 4 of the season despite the fact they skated by some close games all year. Anyone putting faith into something led by Kirby Hocutt I'm questioning. 6 or 8 is the way to go..this sh-t will be interesting as **** when we get left out which is definately coming. Can't wait till Sarah Palin and the guy that does the Lincoln commercials (matthew mcchonahey?) Are on the committee. Sh-t is a joke

 

[Angry Ibis]

Dmoney and them are cool with it .....until we are in contention and he realizes condi rice just said no to miami being in while eating miso soup citing that Stanford is a better "matchup" for Bama.

These playoffs have been sooooooo good the last two years that I haven't watched the 1-4 match up yet and I'm the guy that break down Tuesday night mac games.

6 or 8 is the way to go..I called Washington getting in 3 weeks before as the pac 12 didn't get anyone in the year before. The big 10 champ game was irrelevant as espn and guys like dmoney decided that osu is good because of urban Meyer by gane 4 of the season despite the fact they skated by some close games all year. Anyone putting faith into something led by Kirby Hocutt I'm questioning. 6 or 8 is the way to go..this sh-t will be interesting as **** when we get left out which is definately coming. Can't wait till Sarah Palin and the guy that does the Lincoln commercials (matthew mcchonahey?) Are on the committee. Sh-t is a joke

But it's the year of the eye test!!!!

Big 10 fans use their eyes to see Clemson as sucking, but Indiana as a tough conference matchup..........SEC is skrong.......

 

[Tad Footeball]

Dmoney and them are cool with it .....until we are in contention and he realizes condi rice just said no to miami being in while eating miso soup citing that Stanford is a better "matchup" for Bama.

These playoffs have been sooooooo good the last two years that I haven't watched the 1-4 match up yet and I'm the guy that break down Tuesday night mac games.

6 or 8 is the way to go..I called Washington getting in 3 weeks before as the pac 12 didn't get anyone in the year before. The big 10 champ game was irrelevant as espn and guys like dmoney decided that osu is good because of urban Meyer by gane 4 of the season despite the fact they skated by some close games all year. Anyone putting faith into something led by Kirby Hocutt I'm questioning. 6 or 8 is the way to go..this sh-t will be interesting as **** when we get left out which is definately coming. Can't wait till Sarah Palin and the guy that does the Lincoln commercials (matthew mcchonahey?) Are on the committee. Sh-t is a joke

Exactly. These "keep it as it is" guys are advocating for a system that'll absolutely keep us out if we're ever "tied" in resume with about 20 other programs this committee will always have a bias toward. As I said before, throw all the other arguments out but realize that as a Canes fan you should at least acknowledge that expanding beyond 4 teams is the only way to begin to level the playing field in our direction. They ain't digging up Paul Dee and letting him chair the committee anytime soon.

 

[CANE1775]

An 8-team playoff based on the Committeems rankings this year...

1. Bama (SEC Champ
2. Clemson (ACC Champ)
3. Oh St
4. Washington (PAC-12 Champ)
5. Pedo St (B1G Champ)
6. Michigan
7. Oklahoma (Big XII Champ)
8. Wisconsin

The three at-large bids wouldn't necessarily always be Conference Champs from the American, MAC, or MW...

Most of the time, it would end up being P5 teams getting voted in over smaller conference champs.

This year, it would the B1G playoffs, in other years it would be the SEC playoffs or Pac & Big XII...

The most ACC would ever get is FSU & Clemson, an 8-team wouldn't help us in the future any more than a 4-team does now.
Only way we ever get there is winning the ACC, even if we made it to the ACC title game & lost, they would never vote us in.

While an 8-team playoff may work in theory, in reality I don't think it would actually work.

A 6-team playoff might work though... The P5 Champs & 1 at-large, the top two seeds gets a bye, just like the NFL.

And by having Wisky at 8 would be just wrong with the 8 teams.... I would have USC in that group and they'd probably beat 3-4 teams in rest of that field..or at least favored in half those games.. They'd probably make it to the final with 3 losses... and scare the **** out of Bama...

4 is the best way to go.... Does anybody believe Wash is beating Bama anyway as a 14pt Dog?

JC

USC is playing better but Bama would beat the crap out of them the same way they did at the beginning of the season.

 

[gogeta4]

Sad that I had to agree with Booger McFarland an sec shill when he said that Penn state should be in....and a team of espn clowns and writers said no osu..booger goes they beat em head to head and may win the big 10...they went so..what makes them better?. Guys said..they just ate a better team..how? ...they just are. Literally that's what we have going on right now with that commitee. They just are...lol

 

[CaniacMike21]

I'd rather have it be the case where occasionally we may have a couple borderline undeserving teams in if it means we avoid any scenario where some one loss teams like Baylor and TCU recently get left out.

 

[Mico Jones]

Keep 4 but include the rule that the 4 must be conference champs.